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Rules / Moderation / Request / Meta Blackshirt 08/28/2019 (Wed) 22:34:09 ID: b3b0b3 No.1 [Reply] [Last]
WELCOME TO /FASCIST/, PLEASE READ RULES BEFORE POSTING Our bunkers: https://fatpeople.lol/fascist/index.html (primary) https://neinchan.com/fascist/catalog.html Welcome to the new location of /fascist/ on JulayWorld! /fascist/ is a board for discussion of fascism in its various manifestations and, in a more general sense, third-position ideology (e.g. Strasserism, etc) and positions that fall outside of the /pol/ - /leftypol/ dichotomy. Though this board is centered around the discussion of fascist movements, leaders and ideology, everybody is permitted to post here regardless of political beliefs, as long as they debate in good faith. Non-fascists and opposing beliefs of all kinds are welcome as long as they respect the rules of this board! This thread will also serve as a thread for requests to moderation, banners and general bitching BOARD RULES 1. Global rules apply 2. No spam, no flooding, serial double- / triple-posting in the same thread within a short period of time will result in a short ban 3. No fedposting* 4. No avatarfagging without reason 5. No pornography (non-sexualized nudity permitted) 6. Gore should be spoiled and relevant to the topic if posted 7. No self-advertising outside of specifically designated threads. No Disc.ord shilling, period. 8. Threads with basic questions not conductive to discussion should go in the QTDDTOT >>9

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>>4493 >In spite of all the talk about equality, oppression, etc., their only motive is power over other people, fueled solely by their inferiority complexes caused by them being utterly failed and broken people. SJW ideologies are just a front for sophists to attempt to sabotage and destroy superior people (logically, as candalas/inferiors by nature could never overpower them by means of quality). You don't need to be a Jew to have Jewish mentality, it's highly contagious. of course they want power. their reliance on censorship, subversion, and lies reveals this plainly. reading Kaczynski's manifesto taught me many things. he describes the modern Left as people who have an innate sense of inferiority, who lash out at the successful, strong, and good out of jealousy and spite, and identify with those who they see as inferior i.e. minorities. that was a prescient insight into the workings of the SJW mentality. and yes, they're being used as pawns by vested interests.
>>1901 /cow/ is epic
Happy Valentine's day /fascist/! How are you expressing the love of your people, children, culture, race or anything else that is important to you in your life?
Can someone make an eco fascism thread? I don't know much about it except for this guy Linkola. But I can't post images or vids anyways since I'm on Tor, so the OP would be horrible. I would really like to know more about Eco fascism.
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>>4939 Check out this thread for stuff on tech-critical views, ecofascism and general deep ecology: >>31. Pentti Linkola is pretty much the ecofascist, so he's definitely worth looking into. If you want a super quick run-down, check out some of these links: http://www.penttilinkola.com/pentti_linkola/ecofascism/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/l1CqMC6iaaOH/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/pDs7qsNz3L89/ And then there's of course his book Can Life Prevail. It's pretty short. A lot of it is just talking about trees, wildlife in Finland and criticizes technology and how destructive democracy and human rights are. The part where he lays out his plan for society is in the last part. I'd say that Savitri Devi could be called an Ecofascist as well. I've been reading The Lightning and the Sun and The Impeachment of Man. She's more mystical and argues throughout for vegetarianism though so that might not be up your alley, still The Impeachment of Man is a great book. Also, Tor does allow images and video again.

Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Threads FashBO##yWPIHb 08/28/2019 (Wed) 22:55:22 ID: 5b336c No.9 [Reply] [Last]
Self-explanatory. If you have a one-liner question won't generate much discussion and isn't related to moderation or requests, post it here.
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Was Metaxas a fascist? If not did greece have any notable fascists? What were his policies on stuff like the JQ? Also is Golden Dawn legit? It's hard to find reliable information on the state of greece.
>>4868 >Also is Golden Dawn legit? They appear to be one of the most serious National Socialist parties out there today. The real shame is though that they have recently lost every single seat that they held in the Hellenic Parliament. They had held nearly twenty since the 2015 election. I wonder what happened. I’d certainly keep an eye on them though. Outside of Greece though look at the Slovakia thread, there is a legitimate fascist party fluctuating between second and third place in the national polls. Election soon
>>4870 >I wonder what happened. As far as I remember they jailed and/or threw out some of the elected members for no good reason, because that's how (((democracy))) works. As corrupt as Greece is it would come to no surprise that they cheat elections. It would be dumb to put it past any other government at this point seeing how Jewish and masonic the right side neo-cohens and leftists are on the same team. People are suffering in Greece economically, they have taxes forced down their throats and even previously wealthy people have to sell off their cars they worked hard for, especially the expensive ones for peanuts so that these fucking criminals can continue raping their country dry for Jew money. Remember that even though these people in our "demo"-cracies put up a good show for us to appear different they're essentially all the same, it's simply a stage act, but they all coincidentally tip toe the judeomasonic (((party line))) in the end bringing us a net negative, it's not coincidence. It's safe to say looking at the timetable of the one-direction monotonous things that have happened after WW2. Not even one European or white country for that matter has even done something as simple closing their fucking borders or have done something different. We're on a sinking ship and this fucking scum are playing their card-game and laughing, drinking the most expensive champagne when not helping the boat sink faster and telling us its no big deal we're sinking. And the rest of us many confused, have to struggle to get out of the place if they're not paralyzed by lies. That's all it is.
9chan's quality is rapidly declining, right now it almost looks like 4/pol/, I advise removing the refuge board from there to prevent these people from finding this place too
>>4931 I've been meaning on fucking around with what the exact bunker-plan sometime soon. Nein seems to get a ton of annoying spam, bots and CP-posting, especially recently. The other bunker we have, that one on the fatpeople.lol site or whatever it was called I might dump as well. I found that site to be very poorly designed. I'd rather have to move to somewhere user-friendly like this place if we had to. I'll let people know if I make any changes.

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Fascist and Third Position Books FashBO##yWPIHb 08/28/2019 (Wed) 22:41:41 ID: 024e41 No.5 [Reply] [Last]
Post good works that you've read and ask for recommendations ITT.

The list below only consists of works that I myself have personally read. If anybody can vouch for any other good works, let me know!

BASIC READING LIST
National Socialism (NSDAP):

>Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
There are many editions of this book, of course. The best are Thomas Dalton’s new translation and of course Stalag. I’ve also read Manheim and didn’t think it was too bad, but it’s a little too wordy and is translated by a Jew
>Zweites Buch by Adolf Hitler
>The Program of the NSDAP by Gottfried Feder
>The Manifesto for the Breaking of Interest Slavery by Gottfried Feder

Black Front / Strasserism:
>German Tomorrow by Dr. Otto Strasser
>Deutschlands Erneuerung by Dr. Otto Strasser (in German only)

Iron Guard / Romanian Fascism:
>For my Legionaries by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu

British Union of Fascists (BUF):
>Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered by Oswald Mosley
>Tomorrow We Live by Oswald Mosley
>My Life by Oswald Mosley
>Fascism v. Jewry by William Joyce
>National Socialism Now by William Joyce
>The Coming Corporate State by A. Raven Thompson

Italian Fascism:
>Origins and Doctrine of Fascism by Giovanni Gentile
>CasaPound Italia platform: http://www.casapounditalia.org/p/who-we-are.html

JSTOR Articles I've read on more obscure groups with little available material in English:
>Ação Integralista Brasileira: Fascism in Brazil, 1932-1938 by Stanley E. Hilton
>Integralism and the Brazilian Catholic Church by Margaret Todaro Williams
>The Chilean Movimiento Nacional Socialista, the German-Chilean Community, and the Third Reich, 1932-1939: Myth and Reality by Marcus Klein
>Nazism in Chile: A Particular Type of Fascism in South America by Jaime Antonio Etchepare and Hamish L. Stewart
>A Case of Non-European Fascism: Chilean National Socialism in the 1930s by Mario Sznajder
>Fascism and Sinarquismo: Popular Nationalisms Against the Mexican Revolution by Albert L. Michaels

Cultured Thug is also a good YouTube channel for overviews of fascist literature:
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/cultured_thug/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFVf_ACP5I8VF5VsmSDQ8tQ

Helpful Links:
https://sci-hub.tw/
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/
https://archive.org/
https://www.bitchute.com/cultured_thug/
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>>4444 Nice quads
>>4403 Look around on libgen.is, there is a lot of good stuff by Yukio Mishima there. Weirdly enough I don't think I see anything from his Sea of Fertility in there. I do see stuff which I've heard people say is good though like Sun and Steel, The Way of the Samurai and Death in Midsummer and Other Stories. The last one I listed is worth checking out for Patriotism alone, I loved that one. I plan to come back to the rest of the book in the future but right now I'm working my way slowly through Spring Snow. https://libgen.is/search.php?req=yukio+mishima&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=def
Mussolini's Intellectuals by James A Gregor Hurrah for the Blackshirts by Martin Pugh A History of Fascism by Stanley Payne
is Carl Schmitt's books considered canon for fascism?

The Woman Question Blackshirt 11/26/2019 (Tue) 14:30:00 ID: 26882c No.1613 [Reply] [Last]
What does /fascist/ think needs to be fixed in our society when it comes to the question of women, gender relations, marriage and their rights? Will women’s suffrage ever be repealed or is it too late to go back on some stuff?

In specific the following questions are the most important today, I feel
>modesty / clothing
>the age of consent
>women’s suffrage
>woman’s place in society
I of course have a position on all of these, but I don’t want to turn the OP into a blogpost
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>>4940 It'd be horrible in any society ruled by money, since the women will always engage in hypergamy. Otherwise I would argue that in a perfect world that it would very eugenic, especially if the best of the best are permitted to reproduce as much as possible. Of course polygamy can never be widespread, but nor should everyone in society breed.
>>4943 It's not eugenic when the best men breed all or even majority of women, including mediocre and below average. Women need to be filtered as much as men or weaklings and idiots will keep being born, to no fault of the males. Mothers have a stronger impact on the quality of offspring than fathers. At conception it's a 50-50 genetic split but afterwards gestation is entirely dependent on the mother's health and even her own mother's. There is trans-generational heredity of endocrine and metabolic profiles that is passed dominantly by women and the gestational environment they provide. I have no respect for men who think with their dicks and try to dress up their shitskin lust in fancy ideologies and philosophies while conveniently applying strict standards only to their sexual rivals but not their potential mating pool.
>>4949 Of course women need filtered as well. All of the unfit need sterilized. High quality men should have children with high quality men, and there are doubtlessly means available today to make the best matches for a given person. Those who are exceptionally high quality must he permitted to have as many children as possible, and polygamy is one way to ensure this. Some may say that I am self-inserting myself in this, but I am extremely aware of my own mediocrity.
>>4950 >High quality men should have children with high quality men I know you didn't mean it but I still chuckled. If you take say top 25% of each sex, there is absolutely no need for polygamy, there is a very similar amount of quality men and women. I would say polygamy is psychologically damaging to the offspring as evidenced by broken children who grew up with very little or no father presence. You'd go utterly nuts if you were raised by several women kept around by your ever absent father who is away working all day to support several women at once. Piling together a large number of women and children is creating an inherently infantile environment with no mental stimuli for growing up. A lot of kids as little as 4-5 prefer to follow their fathers and uncles around rather than stick to their mothers. A man can afford to let two or three kids tag along while he's working, but not a whole herd.
>>4949 Women not being kept to certain standards played a great role in how we came to this situation. A lot of men hurt their lineage by having children with inferior women. But the gender itself is lacking tremendously evolution-wise, which is why giving them freedom turned into disaster. They are barely above animals, and this difference makes them a dysgenic factor since they not only behave irrationally like animals, but also get drawn to animalistic (subhuman) traits in men, creating a spiral of devolution and degeneration. Selecting the rare, proper women (they exist, but they got targeted by kikes as well so there was less and less of them as poz reached it's terminal stage), and pairing them with high quality males is essential. Eugenics would require a serious breeding program, that would aim to eliminate deficiencies in both genders, with the great emphasis on women, only this way would their freedom come with responsibility.

Fascist movie thread Blackshirt 02/21/2020 (Fri) 17:54:19 ID: 18c4d9 No.4953 [Reply] [Last]
Give me your best recommendations of fascist movies or 3rd position politics. I'll start. >Hans Westmar >Starship troopers This are only 2 I can think of at the top of my head
>>4953 Mussolini the Untold Story 1985 Mosley 1998 mini-series Those two are amazing.
>>4953 I mean Triumph of The Will is a classic.
Schindlers list

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Economics Blackshirt 02/11/2020 (Tue) 21:07:12 No.4574 [Reply] [Last]
I want to learn about economics. Particularly these topics: >Basic economics. >Pros and cons of nationalizing the banks and having your own currency. >Is State involvement bad? Is protectionism bad? >Why was Nazi Germany so economically successful? In the long term, was its policy really dependent on war? Please give me good reads on these matters. About state involvement and protectionism, right now I think that protectionism is not worth it. It is not convenient economically, and achieving autarky is basically impossible. At the same time, I think the State should get involved when necessary for the well-being of its citizens. Remove harmful products, help smart young men achieve what they're capable of, grant a good healthcare. I already have a position on this but it is simply based on feelings. I need to read about it.
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>>4853 > it is almost always harmful. Public need before private greed
>>4916 I can support the revival of the white race and the removal of blacks and jews without wanting the government to cuck me, and the better off the economy the more prosperous the white man will be. >>4917 Public need before private greed Wanting to keep your property isn't greedy, and there is no such thing as the public, just individuals organized as a tribe.
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>>4961 >Wanting to keep your property isn't greedy Nothing in that slogan says anything about not being able to own property. In fact, that slogan was actively used by the NSDAP (Gemeinnutz vor Eigennutz), which, as we know, affirmed private property as part of its 25-point Program. Also it appears that you harbor some individualist deviations still - take the communitarian-pill. Human beings are necessarily social. Society precedes the individual. The tribe is a superindividual and every aspect of a person is shaped by both descent and social position within a given group. Greedy antisocial elements will be smashed and tread upon
>>4963 >Nothing in that slogan says anything about not being able to own property. It's not inherently anti-property, but if you say saw someone chanting that on the streets then it probably is. >slogan was actively used by the NSDAP Didn't know that, always good to learn more about their lore. >Human beings are necessarily social The vast majority of us are, yes. [spoiler]Myself included/[spoiler] >Society precedes the individual I would disagree on that point, as you said yourself that the tribe is but a superindividual, society is nothing but a group of individuals, and to put the nebulous concept of society before those of which it is made up is a great folly. For which is greater, the painting or the artist? The idea or the thinker? The NSDAP or Hitler? I would say the artist, the thinker, and Hitler are all the greater part, for while they can exist without their creation the same cannot be said for the reverse. A Machine cannot function without its parts where as the parts can still function without, even if their usefulness is limited. So while society, the tribe, is still important, you can never put the tribe before the man. [spoiler]Sorry for the proseposting/[spoiler]
>>4964 >those spoilers oof

Animals Blackshirt 02/13/2020 (Thu) 16:10:02 ID: 6f038f No.4649 [Reply] [Last]
<“An extended chapter of our talk was devoted by the Führer to the vegetarian question. He believes more than ever that meat eating is wrong. Of course he knows that during the war we cannot completely upset our food system. After the war, however, he intends to tackle this problem also. Maybe he is right. Certainly the arguments that he adduces in favour of his standpoint are very compelling. – Dr. J. Goebbels. Goebbels’ Diaries (entry of April 26, 1942) Was Hitler onto something with vegetarianism? I’ve been thinking about it more recently while working through Savitri Devi’s The Impeachment of Man. I like the idea of it for a variety of reasons, but as of now I’m not compelled to try it, though I may some day in the future just to experiment. If anything though, animal experimentation, vivisection and kosher slaughter – at minimum – I feel are important issues for any National Socialist government to take on along with all-important environmental issues after securing their nation from (((outside influence))) and definitively solving the racial problems of our day. Even today the Third Reich sits well before all other countries in the steps they took in these areas. Video from a kosher slaughterhouse (inb4 muh PETA, I only care about the footage): https://youtu.be/KezHKbUzy0A
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>>4876 >Platonic Forms, Archetypes, synchronicities etc. don't need some kind of original emanating point, they are eternal and permeate everything. There is no central, unifying entity or moral authority, it's an entirely open ended system bound only by certain eternal principles. You need artifice like "God" because otherwise you would be unironically eating people. I don't, because my virtues emanate internally without any need of central external authority. I am what I am :>) Yawn, more New Agey woo. "muh virtues emanate internally" = "I'm muh own guru". You just spurt out words like "muh oneness is bad because it doesn't emanate internally from muh feels" and "Platonic forms" but you can't explain why it's real or can be proven any more than the exact same anons you accuse of not being able to prove their God. You use all sorts of esoteric terms without real understanding, you are as exoteric as can be. It's no surprise that the elite in the past actually kept these doctrines secure from the real NPCs in brotherhoods and only past them down orally, so they wouldn't be bastardized by half-baked (((New Age))) faggotry like this
To those seeing unable to see why niggers and bastards are less than animals, read Savitri Devi: >In the eyes of the believers in quality, however, (in the eyes of those who deplore that broadening disparity between actual life and its divine pattern, which characterises evolution in Time) any Bengal tiger, nay, any healthy cat — any healthy tree; any perfect sample of manifested Life — is worth far more than an ugly, — degenerate human bastard. Alone man in his perfection — superior man “like unto the Gods,” not the patched-up weakling that this conceited Age exalts — is to be looked upon as “the highest creature,” “God’s image,” etc... National Socialism — and that is the root of its conflict with Communism, no less than with Christianity as the latter has come down to us, — strives to bring back that conception of man into living reality, and to prepare the reappearing of such a human type, through the preservation and strengthening of the best in our fallen Age, not at the cost of the other healthy and beautiful creatures of this earth but, no doubt, — and without a qualm of remorse — at the expense of those masses of racially inferior humanity which the Dark Forces are now organising,with the help of the Jews, their permanent agents, under the sign of the Hammer and Sickle. For those organised masses are, as Hans Grimm has clearly seen — alas, after the disaster of 1945 — tomorrow’s threat to the every existence of higher mankind (not “Asia’s” threat to “Europe,” — by any means! — but the threat of raceless numbers to the pure-blooded Aryan of Europe and Asia, America and South Africa and Australia, and to the pure-blooded and noble non-Aryan, also of the whole world.)
>>4867 > There's no morality at all which is not wholly relative without God. And how do you objectively measure "God" or any of the moralities he bestowed us?
>>4880 >Animals were never stated to be equal to humans Equally treated, having the same (or even higher) moral standards applied to them, etc. You are the one arguing sematics while being either too retarded or too much of a kike to address my actual points >Do animals cause crimes? Crime depends on legislature, most of which is entirely artificial and made to control other groups of people for personal benefit of the ruling clique. But if we take what's commonly considered as crime, then yes, animals do kill, rape, and destroy biological foundations of other races/species. >There's nothing about equality or diversity in this worldview There is, because according to your worldview, everything is equal at the very source, the rest being just different manifestations/degrees of the same. This is the very poisonous seed of egalitarianism, and from that, everything bad in our societies sprouts. You are quick to succumb to it as well, in spite of all the talk of hierarchy, castes etc. You are a SJW through and through. If you discriminate, you have to discriminate all the way to the source. >I'm not even sure at this point what you understand to be meant by animal welfare Not killing them for food, skin, or experiments - the matters which are practical, everything else is degenerate and should be abstained from >If anything niggers should be experimented on Do you really think that niggers have any rational capacity? So your only problem with niggers is that they do not ascribe to the same artificial (moral) standards as you do? How does that make you any different from christcucks and their godly niggers or civnats and their legal niggers? >abuse and neglect their higher capacities as a form of human beings on a much wider scale, thus being worse and more harmful than animals Is there anything compelling them to use their higher capacities for something else? Do they owe it to anyone? They are a higher lifeform than animals, it's their right. If they use it irrationally, they will suffer and go extinct. So is ours in dealing with niggers and other lesser lifeforms. The fact that you would rather hurt a higher form of consciousness than a lower one solely because it doesn't follow the entirely subjective morality of yours clearly shows that you are not being objective in the slightest. And the real reason for that is that you feel threatened by higher lifeforms (if we extrapolate your rational capacity argument to whites). You feel competition. This is the real reason why SJW's (and kikes) hate whites while "loving" animals and subhumans, they don't see them as competition, they don't have inferiority complexes with them. And they also use (((morals))) as a sort of a criminal code of conduct for them to destroy the superior and thus eliminate competition. You are much wiser in it's application as you consider long term and more encompassing effects as well, but in essence, you don't differ much. You are hiding behind "morals" in order to advance your personal interests and promote your individual Will. Moral higher ground is a falied meme, just look at the sad state of the nations which utilized it as a competitive strategy. It's a race to the bottom and only benefits the kikes, it's original creators. >This thread is only in relation to rational human beings There is zero practical difference between a human killing you and an animal killing you. Lack of rational capacity is not innocence. By the same logic, we should forgive subhumans many of their crimes solely because they are not as rational as we are. Morals only apply to beings of approximately same level of consciousness, not because they are universal, but because it's an agreement of two (or more) wills of the similar rank to not hurt each other or cooperate for mutual benefit, or simply because of sympathy and genuine desire to help. Having common blood/features, being of the same race plays a great role in this. This is why honor is the only valid concept, something which (((moralists))) lack entirely. >I'm not even going to bother replying to other schizo bullshit I'm impressed you managed to even last this far without conceding. You need to eat a good, juicy steak and then come back.

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>>4885 Quality is an universal value. Morals and ethics are not, except in their application and results.

What is idealism? Blackshirt 02/21/2020 (Fri) 17:50:46 ID: 9f5340 No.4952 [Reply] [Last]
Whats idealism I know 3rd position politics are described as "idealist" and I would like to understand. I heard Hegel is hard for newcomers. For a super beginner were should i start books, movies, etc.
>>4952 History of Political Philosophy edited by Leo Strauss. Mussolini's Intellectuals by James A Gregor Depends there are different interpretations from different people. I wouldn't describe fascist politics as idealist. But idealism is basically reality is tied to ideas afaik, or there is a utopian view of reality/idealism.
>>4955 Or it can be used to describe politics that are opposed to materialist worldviews/philosophies.
I would like to know if there is some relation beetween Nietzsche's philoshopy and Aristotle I have been reading Nietzsche (i know, about the critique of Plato and Socrates but, Aristotle is some different) About idealism: Hegel is absoluty wrong, his idealism finish in an absurd rationalism (see the end of "The Encyclopaedia of the Philosophical"). At least, when he quoted aristotle, he -aristotle- is more moderate in his trial And the Aristotle x Nietzsche question: Aristotle finish his life with scientific think, and NietzShe finish being positivsm

Unpopular Opinions Blackshirt 09/11/2019 (Wed) 15:01:16 ID: 44881c No.87 [Reply] [Last]
Post your unpopular opinions here
Me:
>Islam is actually pretty based and Islam minus Africanization would be a net benefit to the West
>there is nothing wrong with having more than one wife
>Tarrant is overrated
>Hitler had no chance of winning, but was still based overall
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>>4903 I think many people want their race to be preserved because it's theirs and it doesn't have to be logical. I'd like to believe that I would still have a basic race preservation instinct even if I were some hut dwelling nig in africa. Studies show that people are more trusting of others that have similar features to them. I can also speak from experience that it's simply easier to deal with someone when you already have the basics of race and culture in common. It's human nature(TM) to identify with your own kin. When I say I'm not convinced by the master race stuff, it isn't that I deny or even disagree that the white race is by most measures the superior race. I just personally have trouble treating others as though they are inherently inferior to me and I'd like to see a world where all races are uplifted to out standard - in their native lands, of course. If Africa produced a civilization equal to ours, I'd be happy for them. Do I see it happening? Not really,as there are groups objectively better than Africans that still struggle with the basics. I do support the typical fascist policies regarding this stuff though, it's mainly just a personal belief thing.
>>4918 >I will definitely pick these up some time soon. I have been slowly easing into learning more about Japan recently anyhow, going through the Hagakure, Hojoki, Tsurezuregusa and some of Mishima's works. the Book of Five Rings and Life-Giving Sword are complementary in many ways, since Miyamoto Musashi was a wandering ronin, while Yagyu Munenori directly served the Tokugawa shoguns, who patronized his school of swordsmanship. Yamamoto Tsunetomo (the main source of Hagakure) was a samurai of the Saga domain who was somewhat at odds with the shogunate, so he falls into the middle. >Pagan law - which is necessarily in accordance with dharma and non-conflicting custom (nomos) should be focused on bringing out true change in inner dispositions, not merely LARPing along with the proscribed conduct so you don't burn in Hell. true indeed. this seems to be a central distinction between Dharmic and Abrahamic traditions. I've read that when the Buddha was teaching his disciples, the original sangha shared an implicit understanding of ethics and the path to enlightenment; however, they realized that if their teachings were to become a world religion and reach many more sentients, they had to set down their ideas explicitly, thus the Tripitaka was written down. >Of course that's quite the lofty ideal I set there, and violence and punishment are ultimately king in ensuring the stability of the castes and hierarchies (like the Laws of Manu say, emphasizing the importance of the virtuous king / leader). If everyone was virtuous we wouldn't need law or a state at all, but no one here is that deluded, but it should make us realize the importance of virtuous conduct. you need force, but only as a last result. cultivating virtue and leading by example is a better, more subtle way of guiding your people, but there's always a few deviants who cannot be persuaded and must be dealt with. we see this throughout dharmic teachings. the concept of the life-giving sword is that judicious use of violence can ultimately prevent greater violence. in Buddhism, there's the concept of upaya/skillful means, in which acts that would usually cause negative karma may be the right thing to do in specific situations. for example, let's say your house is burning down, and your kids are being spergs and ignoring the obvious danger. so you tell them that the toys they want are outside, tricking them into fleeing the house, and thus saving their lives. another example is the actions Burma has been taking against the Rohingya Muslims who, the media assure us, dindu nuffin. in reality, the Burmese are defending their nation, people and sangha against radical Islam. another meaning of upaya is to guide people towards the truth in terms they can understand. >The Talmud is definitely a huge departure from the older forms of Judaism. yes, I think this is the best way to explain the downright respectable qualities of the OT versus what came later.
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>>4924 >cultivating virtue and leading by example is a better, more subtle way of guiding your people I fully agree. It is shameful how degenerate and scandalous the actions of many of these suited up politicians today are. There is not the smallest amount of virtuous behavior in them. Leaders must be held to stringent ethical codes. If the leaders are corrupt, the people will be corrupted. Gita 3.21 - <Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. The most recent example of this type of man, of course, is Hitler, but it was ever more frequent as we look back into the past when dharma was a more influential and recognized concept. >upaya I will have to read more about this. Now that I think about it, I guess I have heard of Munenori. I had thought that what you said about the sword sounded very familiar, and sure enough he was quoted in the introduction to the copy of the Hagakure that I own: <At times because of one man's evil, ten thousand people suffer. So if you kill that one man to let the tens of thousands live. Here, truly, the blade that deals death becomes the sword that saves lives. >another example is the actions Burma has been taking against the Rohingya Muslims who, the media assure us, dindu nuffin. in reality, the Burmese are defending their nation, people and sangha against radical Islam. I'm glad the Burmese Buddhists have been taking a stand against these people. They are clearly not innocent if one takes even a few minutes to read about what has gone down there (skirmishes between government forces and Rohingya militants, rioting, etc -- I'm sure I could find much more if I were to research the situation in any depth). Reading about what the Muslims did to Buddhists in Afghanistan, Kashmir and the great Buddhist monastery / university of Nalanda has always angered me. I've read that they explicitly targetted the Sangha during their "holy wars" since they were the heart of a healthy Buddhist community. It's especially telling that the modern word for "idol" or "graven image" is بت (bot) for now-Muslim speaking communities such as the Iranians comes from their word that once meant "Buddha".
>>4936 <Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. this is similar to the concept of the chakravartin, or wheel-turning king, a virtuous ruler who uses temporal power to guide the people towards truth (as opposed to the spiritual power of the Buddha and bodhisattvas). >upaya like many other things in Buddhism, it's a subtle concept. it can refer to carefully bending the rules for the greater good, or telling people those parts of the truth they can understand in order to guide them. >I'm glad the Burmese Buddhists have been taking a stand against these people. as am I. and I'm not surprised that the shill media screeches about genocide in response to their proportionate, justified self-defense. >Reading about what the Muslims did to Buddhists in Afghanistan, Kashmir and the great Buddhist monastery / university of Nalanda has always angered me. there's a long history of conflict there, with Muslims being the aggressors of course. while there are respectable qualities in Islam, it's still an Abrahamic faith, which are virulent and aggressive by nature, prone to fundamentalism, and attempt to subvert or destroy all other ideas in their path. compare this to the lack of zealotry in dharmic faiths, and their ability to co-exist with one another such as in India and China. Dharmic religion tends to have a more philosophical character, which is especially true of Buddhism, and this gives it natural resistance to the cancer of radicalism. as an aside, the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan was a despicable act of vandalism, and something I find unforgivable. > the Sangha ... since they were the heart of a healthy Buddhist community. this is worth emphasizing. all Buddhists take refuge in the Three Jewels: the Buddha (enlightened one), dharma (teachings), and sangha (monastic community). so there's the original founder who charted the path to enlightenment, his teachings and discourses, and the community of monks who uphold this. an aspect of dharmic or natural order is a priestly class, who specialize in proper rituals and teaching, and are responsible for guiding the rest. they also unify communities, and prevent the atomization and sense of drift that pervades our society.
>>4938 >this is similar to the concept of the chakravartin, or wheel-turning king, a virtuous ruler who uses temporal power to guide the people towards truth (as opposed to the spiritual power of the Buddha and bodhisattvas). Even though that verse wasn't explicitly in reference to chakravartin, it might as well be, as a true chakravartin would doubtlessly follow such a style of ruling, as would any good leader: <3.20 — Even kings like Janaka and others attained the perfectional stage by performance of prescribed duties. Therefore, just for the sake of educating the people in general, you should perform your work. This verse again mentions the importance of ruling conscious of one's high and vital position. I've seen Emperor Ashoka described as Chakravartin, and I'm inclined to agree honestly, in light of use of Buddhism as a guiding ethic in his later reign, and how he banned Brahmanical animal sacrifice, protected non-food animals, fish and birds, and in general put great effort into propagating and promoting dharma among his people. It would be thousands of years until a ruler even came close to this level, and again not even close given the different cultural environment and the in-creeping of adharma, as we saw with Adolf Hitler's revolutionary bans on vivisection, animal cruely and abuse and his promotion of good conduct and health through his abstention alcohol, tobacco and meat. He certainly would have promoted dharma to his utmost if the Jews had not destroyed and re-enslaved the German people. >while there are respectable qualities in Islam, it's still an Abrahamic faith, which are virulent and aggressive by nature, prone to fundamentalism, and attempt to subvert or destroy all other ideas in their path. compare this to the lack of zealotry in dharmic faiths, and their ability to co-exist with one another such as in India and China. I definitely respect some aspects of Islam, as we've spoken about with its slightly more warrior-oriented tradition, not to mention its stances on alcohol and several other varieties of degeneracy, but much of these are definitely common sense values in my opinion and does not excuse many flaws of the Abrahamic traditions, of course. I have of course no desire to force my beliefs onto the entire planet and all people regardless of race and quality like Abrahamists do, but I think that it is their zealotry has granted them much success in spreading all over the Earth and stomping out other traditions. Hitler recognized this as well in more political terms, though in a more general sense: <“The conviction that one has the right to use even the most brutal weapons always goes hand in hand with fanatical faith in the necessity of the victory of a revolutionary new order upon this earth. A movement that is not fighting for such high aims and ideals, will therefore never resort to the most extreme means.” Still, while I might definitely believe such a thing in regards to politics (i.e. stomping out the opposition, especially those that preach things corrosive to any true Dharmic society), I of course see no problem with a plurality of healthy religious traditions, as, like you said, have coexisted (with a few bumps here and there) in India, China and Japan for centuries now. It's no coincidence at all that the only major religious purge to take place that readily comes to mind done by non-Abrahamics is on Abrahamics, i.e. in Tokugawa Japan when Christians were quite literally purged for being subversives: <The Christian influence, which had managed to gain an incredible following in just a few decades, was seen as a direct threat to life in feudal Japan, and so the shogunate decided to close Japan’s boarders to all but the most minimal of foreign exchange. This policy was known as sakoku (literally “closed country”). Trade was limited to Nagasaki, and only the Dutch, Koreans, and Chinese were tolerated. Any attempts to preach Christian ideals were met with the death penalty. From: “Wabi Sabi: The Japanese Art of Impermanence” by Andrew Juniper <Lest we get the impression that the long Tokugawa tranquility was a natural state of endless harmony, we should be aware of the numerous measures that were taken to keep the peace. [...] And a fourth [policy] was to suppress Christianity in the attempt to rid Japan of the dangerously destabilizing idea that all people were equal in the sight of God. The Tokugawa leaders wanted stability, not equality. They looked to Confucianism to establish a hierarchy of four main social classes. From: “Evanescence and Form” by Charles Shirō Inouye. >as an aside, the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan was a despicable act of vandalism, and something I find unforgivable.

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/rwg/ - Race War General Blackshirt 10/26/2019 (Sat) 16:23:40 No.575 [Reply] [Last]
USING TOR OR SIMILAR MEASURES IS ADVISED IN THIS THREAD This thread for the discussion of pro-white resistance from an onlookers perspective and especially people such as Anders Behring Breivik, Brenton Tarrant and the various copycats that we've seen since March. Are they doing what has to be done? Is it more harmful than helpful? Are they all false flags? Discuss! This thread can also be used for dumping info following any more contemporary events. Do not post manifestos directly in this thread and anyone who is fedposting in an obvious manner or planning their own autistic actions will be permabanned. This thread will be be subject to heavier moderation against outsiders. HELPFUL LINKS (to be expanded) The Breivik Archive https://ia601002.us.archive.org/6/items/breivikarchive/
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>Muhammed B, a wounded survivor, described from his hospital bed how the gunman took careful aim at the victims in the Arena Bar & Cafe. >"Everyone he saw, he just shot them straight in the head. He laid down, then he fired at all of us. I hid behind a wall, and as I was moving to hide he shot me in the arm," he told a Turkish TV interviewer. >"It was a bloodbath... We were all lying on top of each other. The guy lying under me had a hole in his neck, he said 'I can't breathe, I can't feel my tongue'," Muhammad recalled through tears. He said he told the young man to recite a final prayer, which he did. ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL >Investigators say all the shisha bar victims were of immigrant origin - some were German nationals, while Turkey says at least five had Turkish citizenship. Several were reported to be ethnic Kurds. https://archive.fo/0Fnps
>>4947 >Muhammad B I assume Muhammad A got removed.

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