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Read the Bhagavad Gita, white man Blackshirt 10/15/2019 (Tue) 00:19:55 ID: 120dce No.385
EMBRACE ARYAN SPIRITUALITY
You need to read the Bhagavad Gita right now, anons. Drop whatever you're reading and pick it up.

Before a great battle, the Aryan warrior prince Arjuna suddenly loses his nerve at the prospects of killing his enemy, among whom are his friends and family. Arjuna thinks that participating this in battle would upset the balance of caste, family and dharma. Conflicted, he asks his friend Krishna (who is an avatar of God) for guidance. Riding out into the battlefield in a chariot, the focus on the external battle turns to the inner battle within Arjuna himself

What does Krishna tell his friend? Does he tell him to love his enemies and turn the other cheek like Yeshua bar Yosef tought? No, of course not, Krishna drops redpills, telling him to stop running away from his duty as a warrior. The soul is immortal and unkillable, there is nothing to lament if he does his duty, killing his friends and family. The soul will simply be reborn, the former body discarded. This must be done in a disciplined and disattached manner in the service of the Supreme Lord. Goyim will write paragraphs trying to explain away the Sermon on the Mount, or how Jesus called gentiles dogs, always failing. Christians know how bad this shit looks on them. Embrace Aryan spirituality.
Do your duty don't ask whether your doing will have success.
All you need to know on indigenous European religio/philosophy is:
A. The Pre-Socratics

B. Aristotle and Plato's works.

Indeed, there's a rather strong case that modernity and all its degeneracy links to rejecting Aristotle for the work of William of Ockham, Hume, Locke, etc..
>>438
Unfortunately I feel as though we'll never truly understand European religion as it once was realized. Our understanding of it now is a shade of what it was and we can never truly recover it.
>Unfortunately I feel as though we'll never truly understand European religion as it once was realized. Our understanding of it now is a shade of what it was and we can never truly recover it.
This is definitely sad, but I've always felt that the situation is not as bleak as some (especially anti-pagan detractors) make it out to be. Undoubtedly much of the knowledge that our ancestors accumulated throughout the millennia was lost. Unlike with the Romans and Greeks, no works of philosophy, ethics, epistemology and metaphysics survive. There undoubtedly were such compositions, but they were never put in writing, being passed down orally by priests to their successors. When Christianity most of these were simply forgotten when the chain of transmission broke. Christians did, of course, record some myths like those in the Poetic Edda, but these are of a more exoteric variety. The video I attached to my post basically says the same thing I said, but it's well worth the watch if you have five or six minutes to spare, as he's more well-spoken then I am.

The foundation of the beliefs and societies of our ancient pre-Abrahamic ancestors was rooted in the concept of Natural Law. In Sanskrit it was called 'dharma', in Pali 'dhamma', in Ancient Greek 'physis', in Avestan Persian 'asha', in Chinese 'tao', for Lithuanian pagans today it's called 'darna' (etymologically related to dharma and dhamma). These beliefs were nearly universally held and seen as the universal ordering principle of the cosmos, axiomatic, universal, eternal and unaltertable. The concept transcends religion itself. Though many of our ancestors neglected their traditions, the same principles never waned.

Many people are spiritually deprived today and are looking for something more. For many returning to something closer to their ancient ancestors beliefs will be the solution. We have a long way to go, we're still finding ourselves. Rejecting Abrahamism and avoiding New Age fakery while remaining spiritual is the most important thing. For myself I am currently content in studying the works of pre-Christian Indo-Europeans and Europeans in general and believe in a Creator, eternal souls for all life, transmigration of souls, cyclical time and natural hierarchy and doing stuff like meditating.
"Christianity" as written by the likes of Aquinas and Feser is a suitable heir to the works of Aristotle.

Nominalism and Protestantism are to be rejected.
Anyone save that christian arguments greentext with the leprechaun?
>>470
If it's fedora/larpagan faggotry then keep ot out.
>>472
>posting in a pagan thread
>not expecting views critical of Abrahamism to be posted
This post is actually a good example of the Abrahamic mindset.
>>472
Actually I found it. I normally don't have a problem with christians but they almost always lack perspective.
Why would I listen to a poo OP?
>>482
>Why would I listen to a poo OP?
I think we should look for truth wherever it comes from, even if we do hold a racialist perspective. That said, ancient India is a completely different world than the India (the political entity) of today.

What you and others who say stuff like this (which I often hear) need to understand is that every worthwhile product of Indian culture sprung from the mind of blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryans. In 1500 BC whites entered the subcontinent and lorded over the masses of subhuman Dravidians. The Aryans imparted to them their languages, religious beliefs, cultural traditions and all-in-all — civilization, all while making a strict separation between the Aryan and the Dravidian. The Laws of Manu affirmed caste endogamy, castigated miscegenation and set up the Aryan society in the pyramidal structure will guarantees all higher civilization above the level of apes.

Eventually, India fell victim to the sin of blood, proving to be poignant example of Hitler’s famous words that civilizations do not fall due to wars, but only due to the loss of blood-purity. The day the last blond-haired, blue-eyes white man died on Indian soil, the culture-creating abilities of the region were null. Stagnation and poverty ensued. Lost were the wonderous vimānas and Brahmāstras – now only remembered as myths. This mongreled mutt mass of chandalas lived in petty stagnation for centuries before a superior race subjugated them and again brought the divine spark of Aryan culture-creating genius.

The Buddha, for example, was a white kshatriya. Sanskrit was a language related to Latin, Greek, German and English. The Vedas, based on internal evidence, had an Arctic origin (read B.G. Tilak’s book on it). Read Savitri Devi, watch Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya on Jewtube / Bitchute.

This work is a good dialogue on the discussion between one’s different duties. Arjuna is conflicted between his duty to his family and his duty as a warrior. Eventually he is told that his duty as a warrior transcends all else, as it is better to do his duty imperfectly than to do another’s duty perfectly. God created the four castes, Arjuna is a warrior and the battle was ordained lawful. It was his duty to kill them as a warrior, even if they were family.

Also daily reminder that there are white ethnic groups in India / Pakistan to this very day.
>>483
One could say even with the dissolution of the caste system everywhere in Aryan society the characteristics unique to the people in certain castes manifest themselves in Europeans. Which brings into question, what is the proper path for European
peoples who represent modern Kshatriya characteristics? What is there for the modern would be European warrior when his nation is hostile to itself and it's history?
>>495
Sorry this got split into two posts and may ramble a bit, I like to be thorough for both the person I reply to and for readers if they don’t know some of this stuff. I hope I gave decent answers.

>One could say even with the dissolution of the caste system everywhere in Aryan society the characteristics unique to the people in certain castes manifest themselves in Europeans.
This is how I see it as well. Though the castes as formal social institutions are long gone and disregarded (a sign of the Kali Yuga), like you said, the castes themselves as something of a more transcendent endure, much like dharma although many of us have abandoned it. This hierarchy of all men is built right into cosmology itself like we see in the Rig Veda when the cosmic giant is sacrificed and dismembered, the Brahmans coming from the mouth as society’s voice, the Kshatriyas as society’s strength the arms, the Vaishyas as the thighs, being society’s support and of course the sudras at the bottom, on which society stands as the feet.

Then in the Gita (4.13) we see that God / Krishna created this ordering in such a way that each person is naturally disposed toward a particular category by virtue of guna (the controlling mode of nature, quality) and karma:
<According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.
https://asitis.com/4/13.html

The three gunas (14:5)
<Material nature consists of the three modes-goodness, passion and ignorance. When the living entity comes in contact with nature, he becomes conditioned by these modes.
https://asitis.com/14/5.html

Though in the Indian context it seems to have degenerated into a hereditary system eventually, outside of being merely racialized. Over two thousand years ago the good of merit was ultimately realized, and that’s how it probably originally functioned. One is not guaranteed to be of the mode of goodness (Brahman) merely by birth. If someone is born among Brahmans and he is clouded by ignorance, he is little more than a sudra and should be treated as such:
<A man attains greatness by his merits, not simply by occupying an exalted seat. Can we call a crow an eagle simply because he sits on the top of a tall building?
http://www.krishnapath.org/Library/Chanakya_Niti-Shastra.pdf

Before someone accuses me of being a meritocratic cuck who doesn’t see race for some reason, it’s quite clear that the vast majority of blacks and non-Aryans in general are of the nature of sudras:
<Śūdra is to be controlled only. They are never given to be freedom. Just like in America. The blacks were slaves. They were under control. And since you have given them equal rights they are disturbing, most disturbing, always creating a fearful situation, uncultured and drunkards. What training they have got? They have got equal right? That is best, to keep them under control as slaves but give them sufficient food, sufficient cloth, not more than that. Then they will be satisfied.
https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1977/feb?d=1
>>495
>>498
(2/2)
>Which brings into question, what is the proper path for European peoples who represent modern Kshatriya characteristics?
All kshatriyas have their own-duty (svadharma) and responsibility as a warrior to do battle against the forces of evil, even if this manifests among those whom they love. For glowniggers reading this I am not advocating anything in particular. Ahimsa is certainly an Aryan value but we are called onto to be strong and courageous warriors for our people, nation and most importantly for the upholding of Dharma itself.
>What is there for the modern would be European warrior when his nation is hostile to itself and it's history?
Dharma is the eternal, axiomatic principle of all that exists, ordained by God Himself. If your own people reject you, you will die having fought for God the Natural Law, likely achieving liberation. If they rally around you and others, even if it takes time, you will secure your land in this world. Kshatriyas ruled as kings for a reason.

4:7-8
<Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice (dharma) O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion (adharma) —at that time I descend Myself. In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion (dharma), I advent Myself millennium after millennium.
Just like Hitler did. God comes to Earth to lighten our load, give us insights into His nature and serve as a tangible bridge of religion. We see His examples time and time again in His virtuous, whatever earthly form He has and will take. God is the ultimate guru.
>>499
>>498
Pretty enlightening. Are all gods of the aryan pantheon simply aspects of the one god?
>>500
(same anon, different ID for these posts)

>Are all gods of the aryan pantheon simply aspects of the one god?
There are definitely hymns that suggest this even as far back as the Rig Veda, which is obviously the most ancient extant collection of texts in any Indo-European language. The best known example:
<They call him Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Agni, and he is heavenly nobly-winged Garutman.
<To what is One, sages give many a title they call it Agni, Yama, Matarisvan.
Rig Veda 1.164.46
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rig_Veda/Mandala_1/Hymn_164

There are other texts though that seem to be less like this and make a distinction between God and gods / demigods / devas (depending on the translation):

7:21-3
<I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity.
<Endowed with such a faith, he seeks favors of a particular demigod and obtains his desires. But in actuality these benefits are bestowed by Me alone.
<Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet.

The term “planets” has kind of always sounded weird to me but I’ve also seen “celestial abode” as an alternative translation. But anyway, the purport for verse 23 may help explain the position of the lesser gods according to one interpretation:
<Here the point may be raised that if the demigods are different parts of the body of the Supreme Lord, then the same end should be achieved by worshiping them. However, worshipers of the demigods are less intelligent because they don't know to what part of the body food must be supplied. Some of them are so foolish that they claim that there are many parts and many ways to supply food. This isn't very sanguine. Can anyone supply food to the body through the ears or eyes? They do not know that these demigods are different parts of the universal body of the Supreme Lord, and in their ignorance they believe that each and every demigod is a separate God and a competitor of the Supreme Lord.
<Not only are demigods parts of the Supreme Lord, but ordinary living entities are also [...]
https://asitis.com/7/23.html
>>504
>>500
(2/2)
Then in the Isha Upanishad’s 4th mantra we can see another verse that sheds light on the lesser gods’ natures:
<Although fixed in his abode, the Personality of the Godhead is swifter than the mind and can overcome all others running. The powerful demigods (devas) cannot approach Him. Although in one place, He controls those who supply the air and rain (mātariśva*). He surpasses all in excellence

*mātariśva apparently refers to gods who control the wind and rain. Devas is said in my translation to apply more to deities like Indra. All are inferior in relation to the Supreme though, all are part and parcel of Him. I don’t want to quote dump too much, but to help explain this the Gita comes in handy again:

7:7-10
<Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both its origin and dissolution.
<O conquerer of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.
<O son of Kunti [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.
<I am the original fragrance of the earth, and I am the heat in fire. I am the life of all that lives, and I am the penances of all ascetics.
<O son of Prtha, know that I am the original seed of all existences, the intelligence of the intelligent, and the prowess of all powerful men.

Krishna goes on and on along those lines, but the takeaway from this is that He is the origin of everything (‘I am the seed of all existences’), he pervades everything (‘Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a string’). I’ve heard this called “panentheistic monotheism”, where one God both transcends and pervades all of existence, but He Himself should NOT simply be identified AS the universe’s totality (as with pantheism). The soul of living entities is at least qualitatively similar to that of God, though in an inferior constitutional position. I’ve seen it described as the relationship between a great fire (God) and a single spark (the soul of a living entity). In some of the Upanishads we always hear of Atman = Brahman. We also hear about stuff like the self (Atman) and the Supreme Self / Supersoul (God / Brahman)

So I feel ultimately that all of these slightly differing interpretations such as the one that seems more aspectual in the Rig Veda to the views of the gods as more of separate entities originating like all else in God are reconcilable. I could probably type more but I already did too much lol. I can try to clarify later on if needed. I kinda wish we’d see other modern pagans adopt this kind of theology though, because it resolves so many issues in my opinion and is far more logically sound and philosophically tenable (esp. a monotheistic God).
>>473
Repeat After Me: Chrisitianity as explored by men like Aquinas is the only legit successor to the work of Aristotle.

>>475
>massive slaughter and destruction
Yawn. Do you cry about Galileo (largely rejected by non-fedora histories as an example of the Catholic Church being meanies), Hypatia (feminist propaganda piece who was killed out of politics and was a Neoplatonist to begin with) and Bruno (also not a fedora who was a prick who made enemeis whenever he went).

See also:
https://historyforatheists.com/2017/03/the-great-myths-3-giordano-bruno-was-a-martyr-for-science/
https://historyforatheists.com/2019/08/review-nathan-johnstone-the-new-atheism-myth-and-history/
https://historyforatheists.com/2017/11/review-catherine-nixey-the-darkening-age/
You're already off on a bad start when you're spitting out talking points from a redditor.
>>483
>WE
You have no more blood connections with the Kalash and other West Asians than an Arabian. The Kalash are biologically like Persians and other Central Asians.
>>385
>Does he tell him to love his enemies and turn the other cheek like Yeshua bar Yosef tought?
I think you should read the bible first, buddy boy
>>591
I have read the Gospels. I know what you're going to do next most likely, you're going to quote verses that have Jesus using a whip against moneylenders in the temple or how Jesus said "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" (which if quoted in full has a far more subversive intent). Jesus Christ as depicted in the Bible preached straight weakness, went around calling gentiles "dogs", told his disciples not to enter gentile towns. And this isn't to mention that the Gospels are a contradictory mess. Jesus was not an Abrahamist, the teachings shown in the Gospels are not his true teachings as they were misunderstood by the Abrahamic masses
>>589
Many Central Asians and Persians have Aryan admixture. Large swathes of Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, India and Nepal used to be under the control of Aryans and organized into a caste system, as was common in all Indo-European societies (trifunctional hypothesis). The upper castes were all Aryan and, with the upper castes of priests and warriors being situated in the mode of goodness and intelligence with the former and mixed passion and in the latter, allowed for the construction of civilization. When the racial integrity broke down and the caste systems dissolved or were corrupted, a slow decline ensued.
>>385
What about Buddhism?
>>787
I like Buddhism personally and plan to look into it more in the coming months by picking up some actual texts and Evola's The Doctrine of Awakening. I've read though, that the teachings of the Buddha may have been subverted following his death however. There were three councils within the few centuries after his death. It was the third council under the rule of Ashoka that some have called the source of any potential subversion. Buddhism had many diverse schools of thought up until then, such as those which had issues with the idea of there being no permanent, unchanging self (anatman). After the council those who held beliefs contrary to the council's consensus were suppressed and Ashoka sent soldiers to burn down monasteries because they didn't follow Council Buddhism™. Sounds a bit like Christianity and how it was subverted by councils to me, and how Jesus was made into something to be worshiped, a god, rather than what he truly was -- an enlightened sage. Key lesson: avoid all (((religion by council)))
>>1018
This video has nothing to do with religion or Aryan spirituality in general. If it wasn't clear already, this thread is concerned with modern, mutted India, but India (in its broadest sense of India, Afghanistan, Nepal, Pakistan, etc) in its most Traditional form under Aryan rule. Read some dharmaśāstras like the Manusmṛiti (The Laws of Manu) to get a real idea of how ancient Aryans conducted themselves and saw the world around them. If we consult this text we will see that homosexuality is classified as a sin leading to exclusion of caste (11.68), which according to the notes appears to be less severe than outright loss of caste. Maybe it was a type of ostracism. Penances for homosexuality and similar levels of sin call for fasting and different dietary recommendations along with the exclusion from caste.

Traditionally speaking, this makes sense even if it does not seem to be as severe. The kiked modern notion of "sexual orientation" did not exist in ancient times. The exclusive homosexual was extremely rare, hence why it seems to just be seen here as a lesser moral failing. In comparison they saw adultery or the deflowering of a virgin as a much more egregious crime, worthy of death. I fully agree with that too, because adultery and similar acts have much more far-reaching consequences of families and the community. This said though, the bog remains the best resting place for homos, especially since the Jews have politicized and mobilized homosexuals and their degenerate allies. Abrahamists are right when it comes to homosexuals.
Christianity is degenerate just from how it was necessary for the coming of liberalism and all its perversion (individualism, communism, etc.).

Its notion that men are special souls granted such by God lends itself to liberal degeneracy. It's not a coincidence that absence of European interference the other great realms in this world (namely China) had no real history of liberal though.
>>1020
I've heard other people say this before too and it makes perfect sense. I recently said that in contrast to what Christians say, we're not suffering from a lack of Christianity in our society, but rather late-stage Abrahamism. Liberal values are rooted in the idea of God-given rights which we are obligated to follow, and as you kind of hint at in your post, we all know what this type of idea led to. This is why it is no surprise to anyone aware of the Abrahamic / Dharmic dichotomy that the newest iteration of Abrahamic religion is Baha'i, which I talk about briefly here >>938.
>It's not a coincidence that absence of European interference the other great realms in this world (namely China) had no real history of liberal though.
I agree. I've recently been starting to look into Confucius, The Law Code of Manu and soon Plato's Republic. These have a truly Traditional spirit of hierarchy, virtuous and powerful kingship. Even today Confucius is extremely influential in China and maybe even North Korea.
>>1020
Go take a bath faggot.

We're in a collapse. The religion would get corrupted no matter what it is.
>>1024
>The religion would get corrupted no matter what it is.
Debatable. Christianity is almost uniquely corruptable, especially given how the average normalfag interpretation of it is no more complex than “Yeshua died for our sins, accept him as your lord and savior and go to Heaven, don’t resist evil and judge not lest ye be judged”. Then we have the whole carrot on a stick mechanism where if you act like a cuck on Earth you’ll get infinite reward in Heaven.
>>1025
It's not debatable. Fags like you would be dead under true Christianity.
>>1024
Tell me how come liberalism only really came to be in Christian lands.
>>1027
>Abrahamist wants to execute anyone who doesn’t believe in his cult
Who could have foreseen this development? You peoples’ dichotomous worldview is cancer and is purely Judaic, stemming from the Semitic mindset of Jew versus goy, which later turns into Christian versus pagan, Muslim versus kafir and capitalist versus prole. A truly DHARMIC worldview allows for differences of thought and opinion on the nature of reality, hence why even within Greece and Rome there was much diversity of thought and sharp debates no doubt, but no bloodshed and genocide over it. Likewise India has encompassed Hinduism (itself an extremely diverse umbrella-term), Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism and even atheistic philosophies such as Charvaka / Lokayata. Until Abrahamics came and genocided, forcibly converted and destroyed native cultures for their desert demon these religions, despite their differences, could coexist most of the time.

Your post completely exposes the spiritual Jew that resides within you
>>1029
>t. cock-mongler
>>1030
You’re not being a good Christcuck, anon. Listen to your Bible (it’s Yahweh’s word after all):

Ephesians 4:29
<You must let no unwholesome word come out of your mouth, but only what is beneficial for the building up of the one in need, that it would give grace to those who hear.
Either put up some rebuttals or shut up, Jesusfreak
>>1019
>read a shitskin book
no
Look at all of these low IQ (1)s crying about shitskins and people shitting on Christianity. Go make a Christian thread if you’re so buttblasted
>>1034
I'm having fun shitting on shit skins like you. Why would I make a christian thread?
>>1036
>on shit skins like you.
Ancient India was ruled by white Aryan Indo-Europeans. This is not controversial. The first pic in this post >>839 gives some good textual evidence from the oldest existing text in ANY Indo-European language (also proven to be of Arctic origin), though the post itself is just as good, I think. This thread has nothing to do with non-whites, only with Aryan spirituality and in a more narrow sense the Bhagavad Gita – a work which, may I add, is wholly Aryan in its ethos, as is evident from reading it on one’s own or through reading Evola or similar figures discuss it.

Do the research yourself and you’ll be surprised what you find. There’s a lot of good info scattered about throughout this thread and across the board too to start you out.
>>1037
Yea yea Pajeet, make up any excuse you want for being white. You're not.
>>1038
Teri ma ki chut. India is white, bhosdike.
>>1069
>India is white
India is undoubtedly honorary. Just make sure you guys wipe the artificial failed state of Pakistan off the map first. It would be a good first step towards cleansing the area of Abrahamists.
>>1070
Thanks. We will.
>>1070
Only an Amerimutt is this stupid. Absolutely no one considers Indians of any shade to be honorary. They simply aren't.
>>1080
Abe, randi ki ohlad. Bhul gaye humlog superpower hai.
>>1080
>implying I’m wrong
There is a subset of people in that region, in northern India in particular, that have a much stronger claim to honorary status than do “muh honorary Japanese”. This is true in a racial sense (some Indians are up to 20% Aryan origin if not more iirc) and a cultural sense (Indian civilization has obvious Aryan roots in the religious, cultural and linguistic senses). I like Japan a lot but that doesn’t change the facts. Ancient India in particular produced dozens if not hundreds of works of philosophy, epic literature and unique religious traditions just as rich as ancient Europe’s. To see the extremely interesting correspondences between ancient Greek and Indian philosophy and religion check out these posts >>953 and >>966. Japan on the other hand has just been a passive absorber of Chinese and Indian culture filtered through China, whether we’re talking about the writing system, Buddhism, many forms of technologies, ideologies and more. If Japan had had an Aryan racial spark it would have been different.
>>588
>Aquinas
Please provide a clear summary of his spin on Christianity.
>3 links, historyforatheists
Knowing this website very well, it does debunk some nonsense that's often peddled by US Atheists in their struggle against Christianity, but the author does get carried over.
You can follow his arguments in the very comments and beyond on the topic of Bruno. He made enemies only because he challenged views. In the end, he didn't accept to be threatened of torture and death for his own opinions regarding the astral bodies and the universe.
You use the website to divert from the fact that the Church burnt this man alive because it didn't agree with his ideas. No matter of kvetching will hide this fact. Not to say many of Bruno's ideas or some he took from former thinkers were quite interesting.
The jury is still out on what happened to Hypatia.
What is your exceptional claim about G. Galileo? He was pretty much obliged to shut up about his scientific views because, again, the Church didn't agree with him.
>>592
>Jesus was not an Abrahamist, the teachings shown in the Gospels are not his true teachings as they were misunderstood by the Abrahamic masses
What are they then, since you're removing so many elements from what are the authoritative teachings of (((Yeshua))) and his pal (((Saul))).
This, without even getting into the topic of the many Yeshuas, edomites, the suicidal sect it seems sensible people shunned, etc.
>>798
>Evola's The Doctrine of Awakening
Skip. Evola was really not entirely honest about it.
There are enough reliable translations of the Pali canon and other foundational Buddhist texts from which can be extracted the essential truths of it.
And what next? The Serrano pill?
Please.
Hesus was a typical apocalyptic jew
>>1037
>This is not controversial.
It is outside of this place.

>>1069
>India is white
Just as water burns.

>>1085
>produced
Miscegenation took care of that. Pajeets can't into computers for shit (they pretend but anyone who worked with them in high-tier IT knows the truth) and ancient buildings are rundown.

>Japan
would be nowhere if Whites didn't give them a MASSIVE hand almost two centuries ago and even later, allowing them to build battleships.
They're nice and clean but HIGHLY overrated.
>>1261
>What are they then, since you're removing so many elements from what are the authoritative teachings of (((Yeshua))) and his pal (((Saul))).
First off, (((Saul))) should be thrown out of the picture entirely, for he is one of the man sources of all of the problems outside of the later instances of (((faith by council))) and other forms of subversion and dogmatization. We must focus on Jesus as a spiritual teacher, one of those rare sages, gurus or rishis who has the ability to reveal the truth to others because they themselves have seen the truth. He who can do this is the very definition of an enlightened being. Jesus was just a human being like us, albeit one who had perfected himself in such a way that he ceased to be merely human. He rid himself of all ego, hate, anger, lust and greed. He conquered his lower self and was filled with the love of God. Like Sanatana Dharma teaches, we must transcend our illusory ego, realizing that we are not our material bodies, and this is exactly what Jesus did to the fullest extent. Lord Krishna is often depicted playing a flute. Once was approached by someone who asked
<Oh! Krishna, this flute is so fortunate that it is constantly in your company. It is touching your lips and you are blowing your Divine breath through it. What has this flute done that it should earn such grace from You?
Krishna merely responded
<This flute has emptied itself
A stick of wood with no hollowed inside cannot be a flute. The flute being emptied on the inside, it can then serve God's purpose. We too are meant to be a vehicle of Go'd grace in the just the same way. We are not really empty then though, we are filled with God. Such was the nature and path of Jesus, just like all gurus before him. He was an avesha-avatara -- a human being who is a direct manifestation of God's power. This esoteric teaching was lost as Christianity became (((institutionalized))) and Abrahamized with the marriage to the Roman state apparatus'. Why did Jesus teaching of Dharma become Abrahamized? It is easier for humans to worship than to follow in the footsteps of a great man. Jesus was placed on an altar and his followers make no attempts to follow in his footsteps and attain enlightnment themselves.
GOSPEL OF JOHN 10:30
<I and the Father are one."
This does NOT mean that Jesus is God and that Jesus should be worshiped from afar. This verse directly pertains to Jesus emptying himself of illusory ego and filling himself with the grace of God. We too can follow in the path of self-surrender (prapatti) and declare ourselves that "I and the Father are one." Jesus didn't want to be worshipped and not followed, hence why he rejected the rich man with faith for being unwilling to follow him. In Matthew 16:24-26 Jesus explains in no uncertain terms that his disciples "must deny themselves" (deny the lower self, the illusory self instead of our true essence).

(cont.)
Jesus spoke to the ignorant Abrahamic masses in simple parables but went into much deeper esoteric depth with his disciples. As an intelligent teacher he taught in accordance with his audience:
Mark 4:33-34 -
<With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.
Mark 4:10-12
<When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that,“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding
There was an esoteric core to his teachings that the Jews could not understand

Luke 17:21
<nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."
The Kingdom of God is no geographic entity, nor is it situated only a certain time in history. The true nature of the Kingdom is self-luminous. Our very selves (as atman) are reflective of the Kingdom of God. Our soul is a partial manifestation of God, a part and parcel, a small spark of the Divine. All through the teachings of Jesus we see echoes of works such as the Gita, the Upanishads and divine utterances from the lips of all true rishis, yogis and gurus throughout time.

When the angered Abrahamists were on the verge of crucifying him, Jesus prays and says "“Abba Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”" (Mark 14:36). This is a perfect example of the highest conclusion of the Gita, self-surrender to God. Jesus understood in the end that the Jews he was trying to teach the highest forms of spirituality could not comprehend the truth and that they were going to kill him. Knowing his, it was not Jesus' choice to die at the hands of the Jewish masses. He even asked God to take away his burden, but added "Yet not what I will, but what you will" -- this is the nature of surrender to God. We see a parallel to this is the Gita:
<Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.
https://asitis.com/18/66.html
And so the Jews nailed Jesus to the cross and Arjuna slaughtered his own family in the fields of Dharma in the great war. They surrendered to the Truth and did what had to be done.

We must make the distinctions between Pauline (or should I say (((Sauline))) ) and "Paleo-Christians". The Paleo-Christians were the early mystical followers of Jesus who were clearly adept practioners of the esoteric, with a mystical and crypto-Vedic understanding of reality. They sought gnosis, a term which is directly cognate with jñāna in Sanskrit, direct spiritual insight. Many of these early Christians recognized that Yahweh was a demonic entity, believed in reincarnation, were vegetarians (as is seen in the apocryphal Gospel of the Ebionites) and were practioners of mystic yogic and meditational techniques to deepen their direct experience of God. We see here that the way they conducted themselves was in many ways protypically Dharmic.
>>1261
>Please provide a clear summary of his spin on Christianity.
It's an heir to Aristotle.

>Knowing this website very well, it does debunk some nonsense that's often peddled by US Atheists in their struggle against Christianity, but the author does get carried over.
He's a proper historian who applies his training to his arguments against amateurs and men speaking outside of their area of expertise.

>You can follow his arguments in the very comments and beyond on the topic of Bruno. He made enemies only because he challenged views. In the end, he didn't accept to be threatened of torture and death for his own opinions regarding the astral bodies and the universe.
Irrelevant unless you're a SJW.

>You use the website to divert from the fact that the Church burnt this man alive because it didn't agree with his ideas. No matter of kvetching will hide this fact. Not to say many of Bruno's ideas or some he took from former thinkers were quite interesting.
I'm sure it fits your narrative of the dastardly Church keeping the free-thinking man down. Unfortunately, history's not that childish.

>The jury is still out on what happened to Hypatia.
It's not. She was killed among the battles between Christians and non-Christians since she got caught in the crossfire. Not from some meanie bishop hunting her just for being a woman/muh pagan That's war.

>What is your exceptional claim about G. Galileo? He was pretty much obliged to shut up about his scientific views because, again, the Church didn't agree with him.
You don't read history by specialists on this subject.
http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-great-ptolemaic-smackdown-table-of.html
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=CBB2A2F8A10BCAA56C85558720816BFB
https://thonyc.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/extracting-the-stopper/
https://thonyc.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/crisis-what-crisis-kuhn-and-the-fabrication-of-history/
https://thonyc.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/science-and-religion-in-the-early-middle-ages/
I know fedoras like you are philistines who don't follow the Humanities so I'm not surprised to see you babble such.
>>1271
>Jesus
1. don't use this name, it's a very late invention.
2. we don't need him.
>He rid himself of all ego, hate, anger, lust and greed.
>be vapid, be blank
the fucking snore right there!
hate and love go together
lust is necessary for life and you're a hypocrite because you pretend rejecting Saul but he's the one who kept condemning lust
so keep your new age shit for boomers
>>flute
>pajeet philosophy
>empty yourself
on paper
>>1272
>Abrahamic masses
so no point giving a shit about a gentile-shunning rabbi talking to semites
>my dear fellow paleo-cult members, I...
you've got a fine story here but i'm afraid all of this is made up from cherry picking in a book which you can make say whatever you want
>>1301
>new age shit
Wrong. New Agers / Luciferians are the type who think that they can be their own guru, that "all religions are the same, maaan" and who revel in drugs and degeneracy. Everything actual good or true in New Age religions has been almost solely appropriated from (Indo-Aryan) Vedic spirituality. Check out this video if you have an hour sometime:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4P8xLjGPFS8/
>be vapid, be blank
What a complete misinterpretation. THE epitome of the man who had freed himself of illusory ego and surrendered himself to God is the warrior Arjuna. He thought the correct solution was to run away into the woods and become a hermit, but God told him to do his duty and kill his enemies, albeit without material attachment, without concern for victory or defeat, happiness or distress, loss or gain.
>lust is necessary for life
Lust has a negative connotation of uncontrolled desire and passion and is something that should be controlled and diminished as much as possible. The animal nature is to be subordinated to the spiritual. Almost all religions have believed this.
>pajeet philosophy
This thread is literally centered around the Bhagavad Gita so I don’t know why you’re acting surprised. Shitting on ancient Indian philosophy is directly shitting on the intellectual achievements of white Aryans though, and the parallels between Greek and Indian philosophy are numerous
>>1304
>New Agers / Luciferians
Please anonymous one, be serious. Not all currents, no matter how absurd they can be, involve taking drugs and acting like a negro. But many share this Eastern BS mantra of dissolving oneself into the nothingness. It is pants-on-head retarded because it is anti-Nietzschean, it goes against why we were created and the long evolutive project we belong to, to grow from nothingness to completeness, moving through the chained pearls of our total existence, life after life. Dissolution is regressive. The ego does not need to be destroyed, just put back into its true place as an element of a larger whole.
>complete misinterpretation, Arjuna
You don't even begin to see the problem here. That source you quote was already showing signs of weakness and corruption.
Devotion, surrender, submission... all belong to a feminine lexicon. Men must follow a solar path made out of will and superego, striving to become demigods.
What you say is the exact antithesis of this greater principle and boils down to this: it literally says that to get closer to God, the supreme entity that built us the way we are with our emotions and will, with love for our kin and hatred for our enemies, we must become a cold computer, a soulless automaton, a puppet, therefore nurturing and achieving the loss of will. Ergo being a slave. I call smelly BS.
In battle, what is the will to do other than wanting to achieve pure victory? The real act of freedom and power is to give all you have, for victory, at all costs. You will you victory, you fight for it, even if it includes the risk of defeat and death.
Overall, this (late?) Eastern path is just as wrong as the Christian one, the latter retaining only love, the former rejecting both love and hatred.
The feminine spirit is the submissive spirit, it is the sign of the mind of the lower and lowest castes crawling up and infecting the highest one.
>Lust has a negative connotation
>diminished as much as possible
And why do you think it came to be this way?
>The animal nature is to be subordinated to the spiritual.
You cannot subordinate what you destroy.
You think like a Muslim, all afraid of women so you put them under a big, thick and ugly veil, all at the same time surrendering to Allah.
Lust needn't be used like an abused spouse you unveil from time to time to ejaculate into her mouth.
Allied to a profund spirituality, lust does wonders. But for that to work, it has to be alive and powerful too, not "diminished as much as possible." Shunning it is ridiculous.
>Almost all religions have believed this.
Certainly not. Ancient Aryan ones had none of this crap. They simply understood how to control the fire of lust, contain and channel it like you would constrain the fire of an explosion within an engine or a cannon.
>This thread is literally centered around the Bhagavad Gita so I don’t know why you’re acting surprised.
Sure, and Pajeets built the Taj Mahal out of their own greater consciousness. There is no way around this. Light vs Darkness. The brownier, the shittier.
Awakened and Liberated Whites have literally no equal.
Do you understand this?
There's the Aryan knowledge, and then the Pajeet shit that progressively creeped into the older material that generated new books and "philosophies" because of physical and cultural proximity to Aryan people. This is why the oldest, much earliest Vedic literature is the safest to use, because it is when the domination of Dravidians was the purest (although bound to fail on the long term).
>>1299
>It's an heir to Aristotle.
You're not explaining anything.
>He's a proper historian who applies his training to his arguments against amateurs and men speaking outside of their area of expertise.
I know but he's not error-free.
>Irrelevant unless you're a SJW.
Mixing SJW with Bruno takes new heights of chutzpah really. Okay, you found your new guru over there.
>I'm sure it fits your narrative of the dastardly Church keeping the free-thinking man down. Unfortunately, history's not that childish.
And you try to revert this by making the Church very open minded, I see. This same Church did burn people alive. Maybe you want to deny that or ((rationalize)) this?
Demons maybe?
>Galileo
I'm not of the bunch who see these men as demigods of science. But I'm finding pleasure in trying to stick out as being edgy by forcing people into acrobatics either with equally biased counter views.
Nor have I peddled the same old Dark Ages meme or that the Church stood against knowledge, study and the premises of what would become known as the modern science.
But the Church put strict limits nonetheless on what was kosher.
You throw me tons of articles that are irrelevant about Galileo's infortune.
Not only that but the book in question actually says this:
>In the early years of the seventeenth century the Italian mathematician
>and natural philosopher Galileo Galilei (1564–1642)
>openly advocated the theory of the earth’s motion elaborated
>in Nicolaus Copernicus’s book On the Revolutions of the Heavenly
>Spheres (1543). As a result, he was persecuted, tried, and
>condemned by the Catholic church. He spent the last nine years
>of his life under house arrest in his villa outside Florence.
>As Galileo started showing that the new telescopic evidence
>rendered Copernicanism a serious contender for real physical
>truth, he came increasingly under attack from conservative philosophers
>and clergymen. They argued that he was a heretic because
>he believed in the earth’s motion and the earth’s motion
>contradicted Scripture. Galileo felt he could not remain silent
>and decided to refute the biblical arguments against Copernicanism.
>He wrote his criticism in the form of long, private letters, in
>December 1613 to his disciple Benedetto Castelli and in spring
>1615 to the grand duchess dowager Christina.
>In December 1615, however, Galileo went to Rome of his
>own accord to defend the Copernican theory. Despite winning
>the intellectual arguments, his practical effort failed. In February
>1616, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (in the name of the Inquisition)
>gave Galileo a private warning forbidding him to hold or
>defend the view that the earth moved.
>The trial ended on June 22, 1633, with a harsher sentence
>than Galileo had been led to expect. __The verdict found him
>guilty of a category of heresy__ intermediate between the most and
>the least serious, called “vehement suspicion of heresy.” The objectionable
>beliefs were the astronomical thesis that the earth
>moves and the methodological principle that the Bible is not a
>scientific authority. He was forced to recite a humiliating “abjuration”
>retracting these beliefs. But the Dialogue was banned.
>The text of the Inquisition’s sentence and Galileo’s abjuration
>were the only trial documents publicized at the time. Indeed, the
>Inquisition sent copies to all provincial inquisitors and papal
>nuncios, requesting them to disseminate the information. Thus
>news of Galileo’s fate circulated widely in books, newspapers,
>and one-page flyers. This unprecedented publicity resulted from
>the express orders of Pope Urban, who wanted Galileo’s case to
>serve as a negative lesson to all Catholics and to strengthen his
>own image as an intransigent defender of the faith.
>The prison clause in the sentence clearly stipulated that Galileo
>was to be imprisoned in the jail at the Inquisition palace in Rome
>for an indefinite period, as long as the authorities wanted. Anyone
>reading or hearing of the sentence would naturally assume that
>the Inquisition had carried out the sentence it had imposed.
>Although the sentence did not use the word torture, it did
>speak of a “rigorous examination,” a technical term connoting
>torture.
Oh, excuse the euphemism.
>Moreover, the passage gave a reason why the judges had
>decided to subject Galileo to a rigorous examination: after the
>various interrogations, including his confession (to having defended
>Copernicanism), they had doubts about whether his transgression
>had been intentional (thus aggravating the crime) or
>inadvertent (as he claimed). In Inquisition practice (as well as in
>lay criminal courts) such doubts justified the administration of
>torture (in order to resolve them).
In other words, would you show a clear intent to defend Copernicanism, you'd go to jail in the Inquisition's palace and be subjected to torture.
>Readers of the sentence acquainted with legal terminology and practice
>understandably concluded that Galileo had suffered torture at the
>hands of his inquisitors
Then the rest reveals that, actually, Galileo suffered neither, which is actually fantastic since the author later on admits this:
>On Monday, June 20, he was summoned
>to appear in court the following day. On Tuesday he underwent
>the rigorous examination—and remained at the Inquisition palace
>until the eve ning of June 24. It is unclear whether he was held in a
>prison cell or permitted to use the prosecutor’s apartment.
See earlier for what rigorous examination entails.
Official report:
>His Holiness decided that the same Galileo is to be interrogated even
>with the threat of torture; and that if he holds up, after a vehement
>abjuration at a plenary meeting of the Holy Office, he is to be condemned
>to prison at the plea sure of the Sacred Congregation, and he
>is to be enjoined that in the future he must no longer treat in any way
>(in writing or orally) of the earth’s motion or sun’s stability, nor of
>the opposite, on pain of relapse; and that the book written by him
>and entitled Dialogo di Galileo Galilei Linceo is to be prohibited.
The point is very clear nevertheless. The dialogue between Galileo and his inquisitor is all too revealing.
>This deposition leaves no doubt that Galileo was threatened
>with torture during the June 21 interrogation.
And the author actually cucks later on;
>One could object that even if Galileo was not tortured physically,
>the treatment he received amounted to moral (or psychological)
>torture, that is, the threat of torture in the last interrogation
>and the perpetual house arrest after the condemnation. Indeed,
>since the middle of the nineteenth century many authors have
>maintained the moral-torture thesis. But the argument for moral
>torture starts down a semantic slippery slope with no end in sight.
Yeah, a "slippery slope." Threatened of torture, which by the author's own admission could have included territio realis (which he rejects without any evidence whatsoever), does not amount to moral torture. Move on.
Let's just remember that officially, at the time being, the story was that he did suffer all of this, and the Church had no qualm conveying this message at all across the four corners of this great land.
And this lasted for quite some time, the Church being comfy enough about this to let it roll for very long times:
>We should keep in mind, however, that for 150 years after
>the trial the publicly available evidence indicated that Galileo
>had been imprisoned, and for 250 years the evidence indicated
>that he had been tortured.
The official party line was abundantly clear: heresy = torture. In this case, heresy meaning being right about science.
So you drooling moron haven't even read one single page of this book! And you thought drownning me under five different sources would fool me.
Yet few ever deal with the topic at hand, Galileo's confrontation with the Church.
The only reason Galileo avoided punishment was because of his powerful friends.
What you do is really wrong.
You engage in absolute reversal revisionism because your poor little heart discovered that some people lied about the Church.
>>1335
>You're not explaining anything.
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2019/11/join-ur-platonist-alliance.html

>And you try to revert this by making the Church very open minded, I see. This same Church did burn people alive.
Oh vey another shoah.

The witch burnings were done by Protestants, not Catholics. Just letting you know.

>Mixing SJW with Bruno takes new heights of chutzpah really. Okay, you found your new guru over there.
He went around being a nuisance and brought nothing impressive. He only became a martyr from Enlightenment and beyond propaganda. Same goes for Hypatia (with a bonus of feminist propaganda).

>I'm not of the bunch who see these men as demigods of science. But I'm finding pleasure in trying to stick out as being edgy by forcing people into acrobatics either with equally biased counter views.
Nor have I peddled the same old Dark Ages meme or that the Church stood against knowledge, study and the premises of what would become known as the modern science.
Sure you're not.

>But the Church put strict limits nonetheless on what was kosher.
All non-degenerate societies have censorship and barring access. As did the Romans.

The overwhelming bulk of adults shouldn't read anything more than a Harry Potter book.

>The official party line was abundantly clear: heresy = torture. In this case, heresy meaning being right about science.
>muh science
Keep tipping that fedora. Science isn't a god. It's merely a tool.

>nebba debba dooba bix nood
>Yet few ever deal with the topic at hand, Galileo's confrontation with the Church.
http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/10/8-great-ptolemaic-smackdown-trial-and.html
http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-great-ptolemaic-smackdown.html
You didn't actually read the links.

Just letting you know, New Atheists aren't taken seriously in philosophy or history. See:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=CED764A3B05A64606EAFAFF911D410D2

Bonus on muh science:
http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/11/summa-origines-scientiarum-articulus-1.html
http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/11/summa-origines-scientiarum-articulus-2.html
https://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/11/summa-origines-scientiarum-articulus-3.html
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=6D2EC494391C4E5D7FD352A2B32BACEF
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=80DEC39AC33F39756BC1BE3DFCD6D189
Go back to your Richard Dawkins.
https://wmbriggs.com/post/26404/
Neat how the loudest fedora tippers are liberals or Jews.
>>1357
>All non-degenerate societies have censorship and barring access.
There's a difference between banning things that are directly harmful to the well-being of the people and banning things because they make Christianity and Church look bad. In Greece and Rome probing into the nature of reality was encouraged and was compatible with their religion. Semitic dogmatists' whole religions implode upon investigation
>>1357
>>talks about the Church burning people
>kie replies: Oh vey another shoah.
>The witch burnings were done by Protestants, not Catholics. Just letting you know.
I did not speak of witch burning.
Also, I couldn't care less about Protestant vs Catholic.
>He went around being a nuisance and brought nothing impressive.
So being a nuisance (that is, making different claims about the universe) is obviously fine in your book and a perfect reason to burn people alive.
You must be some kike or really brain damaged Christian. Nobody sane, especially no Aryan, would even try to defend the Church on this.
>Sure you're not.
There are many anons itt. I tell you what I didn't do here, this is all.
>All non-degenerate societies have censorship and barring access. As did the Romans.
<Failing at logic.
Having limits doesn't equal with being a sane Aryan society.
Jewish society is full of limits today.
>Keep tipping that fedora. Science isn't a god. It's merely a tool.
Science is knowledge, idiot.
Providing or defending perfectly valid theories/facts that go contrary to the (((Scripture))) isn't a crime in a sane society.
>nebba debba dooba bix nood
Right, I prove you didn't read the book, I prove that it exactly puts the Church in a bad light, I prove that regardless of petty legal shenanigans the overall idea is if the Church said you're wrong and you disagreed, you'd get your ticket for torture and fun. Finally, that this rotten institution had no issue with the official conclusion for more than a century and a half to two and a half. I couldn't care less if the debate was about the true color of a sacred tortoise or the taste of shit. It's about how the Church was ready to have people go through if it considered it won a debate against someone who considered had won the debate too, or at least agreed to disagree, because that's an option the Church would not accept.
>You didn't actually read the links.
>http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/10/8-great-ptolemaic-smackdown-trial-and.html
Doesn't deal with the legal consequences of the debate.
>http://tofspot.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-great-ptolemaic-smackdown.html
Same, says nothing of the Church, the Inquisition, threat of torture and, all in all, Galileo's moral and physical predicament.
The book (you didn't read) does.
The Church would only accept discoveries and research as long as it did fit with (((Scripture))) and the understanding thereof.
The idea here is that we're dealing with an institution that had a whole legal procedure to deal with wrongthink that went against the Bible, and which included threats or torture, real torture and indeterminate jail time. We're arguing over one would say, small cases after all, since they're not direct and violent attacks against the foundations and the whole of the Church (and yet perceived as very dangerous by said Church), not about Jesus and his bodily existence; in which cases most people of /fascist/ and /pol/ would have been tortured abundantly, if not burned alive for even a hundredth of what flies regularly on such boards, or even outside of them.
Only a christcuck would be blind to this.
>Just letting you know, New Atheists aren't taken seriously in philosophy or history.
I'm not defending this group. Should I?
>Richard Dawkins
Didn't come from him either. He makes mistakes too, has an axe to grind with religious people at large.
>>1412
Corrections/clarification
>So being a nuisance (that is, making different claims about the universe) is obviously perfectly fine in your book as a reason to burn people.
>>1412
>Science is knowledge, idiot.
Knowledge is anathema to Christcucks, it's built right into scripture from Genesis on. YHWH denied humans the power to distinguish between good and evil. He refused to grant them any sort of wisdom, which is what comes when one is able to properly judge things as good or bad. The snake in Eden was the good guy. As soon as they had eaten from the tree of good and evil YHWH became extremely arrogant and envious (as is typical of him), scared that his creations would rise to his level:
<(Genesis 3:22) Then the Lord God said, “See, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”
Behold YHWH, the god who refuses his creations the knowledge of good and bad and becomes jealous when they get anywhere near his level. He creates Eve as a partner and "helper" for Adam, who hilariously ends up being the very cause of the fall. Surely an omniscient, all-powerful god could have seen this coming? The idyllic state of Christcuckery before "The Fall" is living in utter ignorance in a garden.

This attitude was carried on to Medieval times, where Christcucks, faced with a glaring contradiction between observable reality and their dusty Jewish tomes sided with the book
>>1416
>Behold YHWH, the god who refuses his creations the knowledge of good and bad and becomes jealous when they get anywhere near his level. He creates Eve as a partner and "helper" for Adam, who hilariously ends up being the very cause of the fall. Surely an omniscient, all-powerful god could have seen this coming? The idyllic state of Christcuckery before "The Fall" is living in utter ignorance in a garden.
They will always reply that the knew this and wanted to put Adam to the test.
Would be fine if the plot itself wasn't so pretentious and convoluted.
It's like someone read about the principle of struggle in life and decided to write a book wrapping this simple notion inside a complex maze of non sequiturs and other hair-pulling retarded nonsense. It's particularly baffling when looking at the apocrypha and how Adam goes through a lot of shit, dies many times of pure sorrow for what he's exposed to after having been expelled from the Garden.
Basically, he was a good little pet in a fancy palace with its nice garden and lush vegetation.
Then, somehow, he's made to do something wrong (but God knows about the snake and barely punishes it, they're working together on this).
Much later, after somehow admitting having done something wrong, Adam is excused, although Christians, being dumber than Jews in this case, keep going on with the Sin because it's a good guilt-trip business that can go on eternally.
It needs to be said that in Indo-Aryan societies, debts of parents were not transmitted to the children.
So now Adam 2.0, with 200% less dumbz inside, can live next to his Master Beloved Lord.
The point of this? The hell I'd know.
>>1443
>The point of this? The hell I'd know.
My favorite manifestation of Abrahamic insanity is Islam where it outright declares that all things have been made just to worship Allah (Qur'an 51:56) and that 50,000 years before creation Allah decreed everything that would happen in advance (Hadith link below) and has infinite knowledge of the past, present and future (Qur'an 59:22). To make this worse Allah outright says in the Qur'an that He leads people astray (Qur'an 17:19) and that they will burn in Hell for eternity.
https://sunnah.com/urn/674600

Feels good to be a dirty kafir who was literally created by God with full knowledge that I'll burn in Hell one day according to Muslims.
>>1448
The Quran is one of the least enlightening spiritual texts I’ve ever read honestly. It’s repetitive, confusing and endlessly repeats warnings and threats towards non-believers and how they’re gonna burn if they don’t convert. Undoubtedly Mudslimes will tell you that its true meaning can only be discovered in the Arabic original but I’m calling bullshit. I own three translations of the Quran, some with abridged tafsir and even took a few semesters of FuSha and Shaami in university to help me eventually read the Quran in the original Classical Arabic (I got really into Islam for a while when I started looking into religion seriously. Never converted though). I bought a textbook and learned some of the shorter suras like Surat an-Naas, al-Fatiha and al-Falaq before getting out of my autistic obsession. Unless it’s different with the longer suras all of those three in the original language are extremely similar to the translations I have. The Quran does sound beautiful to me though, that’s all it has going for it.

The Bhagavad Gita on the other hand one can read again and again and learn something new every time, notice things once unnoticed. It discusses the nature of God, the soul, devotion and much more. Krishna actually feels and behaves as a God should, Arjuna’s dilemma is able to be sympathized with and an Aryan spirit pervades each and every verse.
>>1453
The Quran was not created out of nothing, it also got written from the basis of older truths which, as always, can be found amid a see of nonsense and repetitive calls to submission.
>Bhagavad Gita
See >>1308
The dating of this material is very revealing regarding the overall ideas that were burgeoning in that region and even westward, over the upper Middle East.
It's an interesting read but we White will need even better than that. We don't become blanks, we have willpower and goals to achieve. The Eastern doctrines fit the physiology of Asians, not the Whites'.
Good thread, I've read the book and it's amazing it was written ~2500 years ago.

The gita teaches high morals, social duty, ideas of a high society and that people must in accordance with the situation, take appropriate action. Such things as that doing one’s duty - is not at all a crime and vice versa as NOT doing one’s genuine duty is a crime itself. It's not a perfect book, but it brings up so many intelligent philosophical questions that are still relevant thousands of yrs later. For such old texts it is amazing.

Though I'm not a religious zealot, and i don't believe TM's such as absolute godhood or absolute divinity and not a fan of such ideas, as i see humans not unlike animals which were created from the miracle of nature itself, godly or not it isn't certain or proven yet, the gita to me has been very valuable.

Some of my favorite quotes;

"All are serving God when they follow their Mind."

"As the superior person does, so do others imitate, the common people follow whatever standards he sets."(leading by example in 3000bc)

"A man must elevate himself by his own mind, not degrade himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy as well."

"The wise, possessed of knowledge, having abandoned the fruits of their actions, and being freed from the fetters of birth, go to the place which is beyond all evil."

"No man can attain freedom from activity by refraining from action; nor can he reach perfection by merely refusing to act."

"Therefore, do you perform your allotted duty; for action is superior to inaction. Desisting from action, you cannot even maintain your body."

"Do not fear death. It is inevitable. Do not grieve over this. Think instead of how you spend your life. "

"There are three gates to this self-destructive hell: lust, anger, and greed. Renounce these three. Pleasure from the senses seems like nectar at first, but it is bitter as poison in the end."

"Fearlessness, purity of nature, fixedness in knowledge and discipline, liberality, self-control and sacrifice, recitation, ascetic practice, and steadfastness, Harmlessness, truth, lack of anger, renunciation, peace, straightforwardness, compassion for beings, lack of covetousness, gentleness, modesty, not fickle.

Splendor, patience, steadfastness, purity, without hatred, humility, these belong to one born with the divine qualities.

Hypocrisy, pride, and arrogance, anger, harshness, and ignorance too, belong to one born with demonic qualities.

The divine qualities lead to liberation, and the demonic are believed to lead to bondage

In this world the creation of beings is twofold, the divine and the demonic; the divine has been described at length, hear now the demonic.

Demonic people know neither action nor cessation; purity, right conduct, and truth are not found among them."
>>1476
>The Quran was not created out of nothing, it also got written from the basis of older truths which, as always, can be found amid a see of nonsense and repetitive calls to submission

In his life we have, according to semitic Judaism/Christianity/Islam desert religion is very valuable and every action they do they have to think about the "consequences" of their actions later in heaven, but as long as they just say "sorry" later anything done is totally okay, because their Yaweh(s) exists as a scapegoat for evil, as an easy way out, as long as it was towards a "chutean" - "kaffir" - "heretic", instead of looking at morals, instead of looking at good vs evil, instead of looking at the big family of race(castes in the gita) and the whole picture.

In the Bhagavad Gita the focus is action and that as long as the action is done “with good/right intentions” after the 'divine truth' is discovered, with a clear and not clouded mind. The direct consequences for establishing order aren’t as important, as long as it was right and just. Krishna told Arjuna how long someone lives makes a persons life not as important, as long as they strive for greatness think about a greater good, justice, destroying evils as a greater divine purpose and always aspire for greatness. Nothing else to say there but aryan.

Meanwhile In the cowardly feeble and alien desert religion view life is short and fragile you have to analyze every action you make. And beg if you did something wrong, instead of undoing the wrong and improving the self, and doing the right thing, instead of fixing their mistake they push it over to their god like a little kid. The funniest thing is also that the "right thing" and qualities of a superior man in desert religion is not even described clearly as it is in the gita. It is filled with total vagueness, and pettyness.
>>1476
>blank
You need to read the Gita and Evola. People have already explained what it means to be detached from the fruit of one's actions ITT. It doesn't mean to be blank, quite the contrary. It's no coincidence that the Aryan warrior ethos as described by Evola in his Metaphysics of War closely mirrors the message of the Gita, emphasizing self-discipline and orientation not on a material, but rather on a higher, transcendental basis.

(The Meaning of the Warrior Element for the New Europe):
<The true warrior ideal implies not only force and physical training but also a calm, controlled and conscious formation of the inner being and the personality. Love for distance and order, the ability to subordinate one’s individualistic and passionate element to principles, the ability to place action and work above mere personhood, a feeling of dignity devoid of vanity are features of the true warrior spirit as essential as those which refer to actual combat: so that, from a higher point of view, combat itself can be worthwhile not so much for its immediate material results as for evidence of these qualities, which have a self-evident constructive value and can amount to elements of a special ‘style’, not only in a given area of the nation devoted specifically to soldiering, but also in a whole people and even beyond the frontiers of a given people.
This is 100% consistent with the Bhagavad Gita and I don't see anything about becoming "blank" or "apathetic" as you misinterpret it. The Gita (16:1-3) teaches us that those of the divine nature are fearless, self-controlled, determined, austere and free from anger. Anger is of the demoniac nature. This doesn't mean that I don't see the havoc the Jews are wreaking upon our people and know that it must be stopped. Impotently sperging out does nothing. Anger and other demoniac qualities must be sublimated and transformed into constructive qualities.
>>1478
>"There are three gates to this self-destructive hell: lust, anger, and greed. Renounce these three. Pleasure from the senses seems like nectar at first, but it is bitter as poison in the end."
There we go with the faggotry.
That crap sounds like Christian/Jedi BS.

Lust: Necessary for surival and good. Put into us for a reason.
Anger: AKA hatred. The fuel to use to summon forces to kill enemies. No problem here if it's aimed at the right target.
>>1482
>Gita
Not old enough.
>Evola
Not correct on everything and yet, even he didn't call for shunning lust at all.
>big pink quotation
Doesn't support what was asked of Arjuna. Nothing in this text requires rejecting lust or anger, assuming you can use them the proper way, in an elevated way, integral to a greater project that reaches above the mere mammalian plane.
>This is 100% consistent with the Bhagavad Gita and I don't see anything about becoming "blank" or "apathetic" as you misinterpret it.
It is exactly what was asked of Arjuna. Emotion, desire, will, etc., were to be gone, to surrender, to submit, to be nothing more than a sockpuppet for Krishna.
I don't call that a man, I call that a robot. A mentality fit for Eastern doctrines, which although were based on old Aryan material and largely avoided the Abrahamic filth, were not without faults too.
I have better material now, Havamal, Sixteen Commandments, Fourteen Words, Eighty Eight Precepts, etc.
Have you heard of those and even read those?
>>1515
Don't just obsess with words without any backstory and knowing the whole meaning. What was explained before Anger in the case of the quote was these feelings not based reason and rationality, because in previous chapters the book explicitly explain that such feelings when, when misplaced is a terrible thing itself.

>>1517
>It is exactly what was asked of Arjuna. Emotion, desire, will, etc., were to be gone, to surrender, to submit, to be nothing more than a sockpuppet for Krishna.

You have too keep in mind that religion is proto-ideology, an early ideology for the masses, so instead of submitting to a person or an idea they submitted to the idea of a god instead, this was a much easier concept to understand for the masses, and much more powerful than just following someone, since many things were still unexplained and explainable.

Religion existed as a control mechanism for ancient society. And still for some reason people still people worship theology without understanding that it's function is entirely human, because it was created by humans and not arbitrary spirituality as in worship just for the sake of worship and nothing else.

People make a mistake when they ascribe religion as theology instead of early doctrine/ideology, and a worldview and school of thought.
>>1517
>Sixteen Commandments
Oh I see, this fag is a degenerate coomer
>That crap sounds like Christian/Jedi BS.
That's pretty common stuff for spiritual texts and philosophies, I'm not quite sure why you think that that line in particular is especially remarkable. Personally, I completely agree with what that line says and it seems quite self-evident to me. We've already discussed the concept of lust ITT, but I'll reiterate it again I guess. Lust isn't just sexual attraction to someone, it carries a connotation of intense and uncontrolled sexual desire. This is quite different from merely being attracted to a woman, as is quite natural and inevitable for any healthy man. I find lots of women quite attractive, but I don't "lust" after them. The exegesis of the Gita that I usually read at times mentions the proper guidelines for sex and marriage according to Vedic injunctions as well, so I'm not sure why you think that you think combatting extreme sexual longing somehow is harming the species.
Anger is also good to control as much as possible. Why? Have you ever been extremely anger over something? Do you act rationally or do you set aside all rationality and act impulsively? Many people will act impulsively when blinded by anger. Personally, some of the dumbest things that I've ever done have been done while in anger. It is a negative emotion. I hate to constantly bring up people like Breivik, but look at Breivik. He set himself a target, something which he rightfully saw as a mortal threat to his people and Europe at large (i.e. multiculturalism and Cultural Marxism). Breivik cared enough about this issue to kill 77 people. On that island, despite what he was doing, he was described by survivors as an emotionless killing machine, self-controlled and supremely focused on carrying out his mission. Interestingly enough for this thread, he reported during his trial that this de-emotionalization was accomplished through daily meditation. If Breivik had been raging and sperging out when he pulled off his mission he wouldn't have done nearly as well. Asceticism is part of the warrior life. The samurai as well were well-known for practicing zazen meditation for similar reasons.
>Doesn't support what was asked of Arjuna. Nothing in this text requires rejecting lust or anger
I disagree. This line in particular I believe supports me against you there "the ability to subordinate one’s individualistic and passionate element to principles". Elsewhere in the book (page 30 of the PDF) Evola quotes 3.30 of the Gita, a verse which mentions conquering lust, something which Evola notes with approval saying that the internal enemy (passion, the animal thirst of life) is the counterpart to the external enemy on the battlefield. He talks of the lesser holy war (the external war) versus the greater holy war, which is the battle against one's lower self and how it is through the lesser, external war that one becomes the supreme master of the self and conquers the inner enemy in the forms of self-preservation, cowardice, cruelty, pity and blind riotousness.
I have a feeling that you're just reading into verses however you want to. Check out Prabhupada's exegesis on the Gita.
https://asitis.com/
>>1521
Is that a bot?
>>1519
>Don't just obsess with words without any backstory and knowing the whole meaning. What was explained before Anger in the case of the quote was these feelings not based reason and rationality, because in previous chapters the book explicitly explain that such feelings when, when misplaced is a terrible thing itself.
You can say about just anything.
Misplaced love, hatred, compassion, will, lust, etc.
>why religion is made
Is said of all religions. Doesn't suddenly make a religion recommendable.
>>1522
>That's pretty common stuff for spiritual texts and philosophies
Of a certain era. No surprise that Buddhism and even Gnosticism rose in the same century-cluster than this Hindu material. Also, quantity does not mean quality.
Let's first of all acknowledge the racial difference in physiology between Asians and Whites. They are more prone to the passive philosophy.
>lust, the definition
Having a boner.
Let's reread that sentence, you'd think you're hearing a Christian Priest delivering his sermon (when he's about to play with little boys after the mass):
"There are three gates to this self-destructive hell: lust, anger, and greed. Renounce these three. Pleasure from the senses seems like nectar at first, but it is bitter as poison in the end."
Incel MGTOW essence right here. Again, if you hate your senses, become a fucking robot and begone. That's typical Buddhist diarrhea, pleasure = bad + hell, renounce pleasure and you'll be greater. Missing the entire point of why we're actually alive.
>Evola, his issues
I'm not one to take everything Evola says without measurement but I will not expand on this.
What I note is, in the quotation which was provided, there was no implication of rejection, only control.
One can easily see that you cannot subdue, or bring under your control, what you actually reject and maintain away from you. You have to decide.
>>1535
Whoever thinks that some stupid guide on how to pick up women should be included even in the same sentence as the Havamal or Bhagavad Gita should kill themselves.
>>1537
>That's typical Buddhist diarrhea, pleasure = bad + hell, renounce pleasure and you'll be greater.
Low IQ understanding of Buddhism. The Buddha rejected both a life or luxury and one of extreme asceticism. This is literally why the Middle Way is a basic Buddhist teaching. We’re just so degenerate today that the Buddha’s quite reasonable teaching that the more we strive for and crave the greater the dukkha. It’s origin is in desire and clinging onto impermanent things.

What are you even arguing for? It seems to me like:
>I want pussy, I want to tip my fedora and indulge in degeneracy all day because it’s natural bro!
In that case, given the fact that this is the de facto ancient Aryans of India thread, check out the Charvaka/Lokayata, a group of ancient Indian hedonists and egoist materialists who everyone made fun of. If you graduate beyond that, come to Epicurus to swallow the redpill on the tree types of desire and the kinds to be eliminated.
https://www.iep.utm.edu/indmat/
https://www.iep.utm.edu/epicur/
>>1537
>>1536
>You can say about just anything.
Misplaced love, hatred, compassion, will, lust, etc.
Yeah, probably.
>>lust, the definition
>having a boner
That’s called an erection. Not what dictionaries say and I’ve never heard the term used that loosely. Just look at online dictionaries and you’ll see the commonalities in definition:
<usually intense or unbridled sexual desire
<a very strong sexual desire:
<Intense sexual desire.
>Let's reread that sentence, you'd think you're hearing a Christian Priest delivering his sermon (when he's about to play with little boys after the mass)
>Incel MGTOW essence right here
Not an argument against any of this, you’re just saying “THAT’S LIKE A CHRISTIAN PRIEST, THEREFORE BAD” (implying that that means that the priest is necessarily wrong) or that “Incel MGTOW essence” is anything more than a word-salad of buzzwords.
>Again, if you hate your senses, become a fucking robot
Hating senses =/= controlling and mastering your lower self
>Missing the entire point of why we're actually alive.
Lemme guess “w-we’re here to stick dick in bagina and have kids and no more than that! Just enjoy life bro, this is all there is”.
>What I note is, in the quotation which was provided, there was no implication of rejection, only control.
As I said in my previous posts, Evola mentions elsewhere in the work the asceticism of the Traditional warrior and quotes with approval many of the same quotes from the Gita that I have quoted in this thread in regards to subordinating the lower self to the higher and conquering lust.
>>1545
>lust, not boner
A strong and uncontrolled desire to have sex has to be related to a boner, otherwise I don't know what you're made of but you're not a man.
>modern definitions
As a general point not related to lust in particular: Dictionaries adapt to the latest meaning of words, they are by no mean as reliable as people think.
>word-salad of buzzwords
These words actually embody the central idea that transpires through this short text.
>Lust: A self-destructive hell.
>Pleasure from the senses is bitter as poison in the end.
That's a retarded philosophy, for people who think they get superior by shunning the real world.
Next you're going to quote some Chinese cookie BS like the world is an illusion, etc.
>Hating senses =/= controlling and mastering your lower self
In the text it really tilts towards their rejection, clearly condemning the pleasures they provide.
If you were not meant to enjoy the pleasures of the senses, you'd be a stone.
Retreating into a strict no-pleasure silence-the-senses zone for one's life to become "elevated" is so insane. They're not even trying to argue to do a bit of both, pleasure sometimes, ascetic another time. Nope. It's full on rejection.
Again, retarded.
—Dear master, I love beautiful things. That's the pleasure I get from using my eye sight.
—Well tough luck dear monk, that's a pleasure delivered through your visual sense. You must reject this.
—Oh, I also love classical music, stuff I actually hear. It gets into my ears. This music rapes my ears! IT RAPES MY EARS!!! Is it wrong too, master?
— Ah, sorry dear monk, that's also a poison.
Serioushly, What a complete failure.
>Lemme guess “w-we’re here to stick dick in bagina and have kids and no more than that! Just enjoy life bro, this is all there is”.
Lol not only but that is a part of it.
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>>1546
>A strong and uncontrolled desire to have sex has to be related to a boner
Of course, but looking at the definitions I pulled from various online dictionaries we see that lust specifically refers to an extreme sort of sexual arousal or desire:
<usually intense or unbridled sexual desire
<a very strong sexual desire:
<Intense sexual desire.
Someone can get a boner and not be uncontrollably sexually aroused.
>As a general point not related to lust in particular: Dictionaries adapt to the latest meaning of words, they are by no mean as reliable as people think.
All translations that we have been referring to have done within the last few decades. I doubt there has been that extreme of semantic change in such a short time. The Sanskrit word translated here as 'lust' (kama) is perfectly embodied by the English word chosen. Even before I had consulted these dictionaries, this is the conception of the word that I had in my mind just from reading material over the years, so I see no reason why we should doubt the dictionary here.

Can any anons chime in on this? I feel like I'm going crazy or arguing with an ESL about my own language.
>That's a retarded philosophy, for people who think they get superior by shunning the real world.
Again, I'm not seeing any actually criticisms that cut to the heart of what we're talking about. "Retarded philosophy" literally tells me nothing and says nothing of value. You're clearly a hylic NPC who sees nothing in the world beyond what he can sense and touch
>that whole master / monk thing
Complete strawman.
>If you were not meant to enjoy the pleasures of the senses, you'd be a stone.
There's a difference between enjoying the pleasures of the senses and being completely enslaved to them.
>insane
>retarded
>completely failure
Lmao I gotta start breaking out my Molymeme folder.
Maybe you should actually try to read and understand the text that this thread is about, because with every post you make wilder and wilder gross misrepresentations of the material and the philosophy behind the Gita and similar works and don't offer any substantive criticisms .
>>1538
>Whoever thinks that some stupid guide on how to pick up women should be included even in the same sentence as the Havamal or Bhagavad Gita should kill themselves.
Ok, let's start with something useful here.
https://white-aryan-front.blogspot.com/ (they also have the 88 Precepts, you're lucky)
Also, FYI, the Words of the High One include about eighteen charms He'd use any time to get good pussy. Odin's game is literally God-tier. Wanna call him a coomer?
Besides, the same Havamal remind you twice of how cattle and men are impermanent. Yet, you know what? I still love my family, my pets and many other things bound to fade.
I'm attached to them. Dukkha? Yes, it is, and I don't care in the slightest.
>Middle Path
No need to be a high IQ genius to understand you have to take a bit of both, have things in good measure. Fun, meditation, action, contemplation, pleasure, restraint, all to reach a good balance in life.
Anything in excess, often considered in an obsessive way, will usually turn out to be unhealthy. But really, for fuck's sake, let's be serious one moment here, that shit is basic rule-of-thumb material you would read in any random lifestyle magazine.
There remains an issue however in that the end goal is still one unaryan: fleeing life. I actually like "reincarnation", I want to have more and improve, experience MORE, in different forms. The sky's the limit and it's unreachable.
I'm not a coward who wraps his fear in pretentious spiritual verbose about eight sticks of truth.
>>I want pussy, I want to tip my fedora and indulge in degeneracy all day because it’s natural bro!
That's not my argument but since you lust-shunners are on a crusade, I'll enjoy this awkward strawman and actually say yes, you're totally right. :^)
>Epicurus
You call that a redpill?
>>1547
>Someone can get a boner and not be uncontrollably sexually aroused.
Wow, impressive. You actually command your own boners then. Teach me please, Grand Master.
>
Can any anons chime in on this? I feel like I'm going crazy or arguing with an ESL about my own language.
As I said, it was a general reminder, not specific on the word lust.
>Again, I'm not seeing any actually criticisms that cut to the heart of what we're talking about. "Retarded philosophy" literally tells me nothing and says nothing of value. You're clearly a hylic NPC who sees nothing in the world beyond what he can sense and touch
You seem to have an issue to read. I actually commented on a sentence I quoted. I only took the liberty of isolating some parts because I wasn't focusing on greed or anger.
Again:
>Lust: A self-destructive hell.
>Pleasure from the senses is bitter as poison in the end.
How can this not be retarded exactly?
>>that whole master / monk thing
>Complete strawman.
How?
Do you actually know that religions are written by people, not sky entities, and they can make mistakes?
>There's a difference between enjoying the pleasures of the senses and being completely enslaved to them.
You will then have to tell me how you're supposed to enjoy the pleasures when:
>Lust: A self-destructive hell.
>Pleasure from the senses is bitter as poison in the end.
Please explain.
>no substantive criticisms
It's more like you have your head up your butthole and prefer to play blind.
>>1553
Racemixing a sin you faggot

Numbers 25:6-8
And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;

And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.
>>1565
Indians today are 20% Aryan at the most. It’s still racemixing and a step down for any self-respecting white man.
>>1565
their not of your culture or your race you race mixer
>>1565
Lets not make the mistake of assuming common ancestry = our race every time.
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>>438
>Ockham, Hume, Locke, etc
Just say the English.
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>>1565
>>1553
Indians today are less Aryan than something like pic related. Anything in this thread speaking positively about India's culture heritage is from a purely historical and ancient Aryan perspective.
>>1553
Aren't there mods on this board or what?

>>1555
Some Christians will be tolerated, the most racially conscious and those who clearly display common sense and Aryan values, not Christian values.
But you, my dear friend, you'll be one of the first to taste the steel of our blades, so you can return to your god Yahweh.
>>1598
It's been cleaned up now, the offending poster(s) at least. I had seen it a day or two ago but didn't bother to delete it but seeing how it is still getting replies I'll delete it to make sure one or two bait posts don't destroy the thread.
>>1548
>Charms
sorry
I meant eighteen, of which some deal with a solid game.>>1548
>>1599
Many thanks!
>>1598
>you'll be one of the first to taste the steel of our blades
and surely they shall be as sharp as your rhetoric, larpnigger
>>1609
You don’t understand, anon, we’re rapidly approaching an era where Christians will either be forced to put up with what will need to be done in the service of our race or, barring that, we’re gonna make Diocletian look like a fucking joke. Christianity too is being eroded by modernity and is ill-equipped to get its hands dirty. Ecofascism is the likely ideology of the future, and it is totally and diametrically opposed to the anthropocentrism and insane value placed by the Christian (as well as Abrahamists in general) on the human being. We are entering an era of lifeboat ethics, antihumanistic thought and post-Christian morality. Spirituality will not die and it will not be merely clone of what once was, but it will return to something in the spirit of our Aryan ancestors.
>Read a shitskin book please.
No.
>>1614
>ancient Aryans
>not white
Read the thread, anon. Especially: >>483. Remember that Aryans formed the ruling castes of much of India, Iran, Pakistan and Nepal for centuries until they were gradually racemixed out (due to a corruption in the caste system and an acceptance of female hypergamy among the lower castes). Siddharta Gautama, the Buddha, was a white Aryan man described repeatedly as having deep blue eyes. Evidence from the earliest existing Sanskrit scriptures likewise speak of Indra (Thor) hating swarthy skin, protecting the Aryan color and killing hordes of dark-skinned tribal peoples (pic related). Even the mutt Indians of today with their corrupted religion of Hinduism, such as Bal Gangadhar Tilak, recognize that the Vedic literature IS NOT OF INDIAN ORIGIN – hence why he wrote ‘The Arctic Home in the Vedas‘ in 1903 from evidence within the Vedas and Avesta. This clearly points to a Hyperborean / Thulean origin if one reads the book (there’s an English translation published by Arktos).

It is not Indian, it is Aryan. Hyperborean. Thulean.
>>1617
>shitskin mumbo jumbo
>white
I don't care about anything, I am not worshipping a fucking pajeet religion.
>>1638
The point of >>1617 's post is that Vedic religion (not to be confused with Hinduism, a corruption) is not "Indian", nor does it have anything to do with Pajeets. The entire world used to be Vedic, you know. Vedic religion is inseparable from European paganism because fundamentally they are one and the same.
>>1638
You just had to make something up didn't you?

OP didnt tell you to worship anything and just check out 2500+ year old writings from ancient aryan culture, why that's such a big deal to you is beyond me.
>>1649
>OP didnt tell you to worship anything and just check out 2500+ year old writings from ancient aryan culture, why that's such a big deal to you is beyond me.
Yeah I'm not here to "convert" (that is a Semitic concept anyhow as far as I'm concerned) anyone. I don't even necessarily consider myself as belonging to this tradition although I hold many of its values (and some beliefs common to much of ancient Aryandom) and see that there is much to learn and absorb from the ancient writings of the Aryan people whether they are in Europe or the Indian subcontinent.
>>505
Atman is higher than Brahman. Brahman is the medium (all that 'exists' (manifests as one instance, of which there could be plenty, an important distinction to be made), superimposition of vibrations (breath) that make up the existence in both material and lower spiritual aspects). Atman is the ultimate Self, the real Supreme that should be discovered as it lays in obscurity and conceals itself though many gods (archetypes). The source of the vibrations, the unmoved mover, the black sun. Eastern religions got corrupted by kikes over time to focus on identifying with the Brahman ("oneness"), which is a crypto-Talmudic concept. Any religion that teaches you to be a) some kind of slave to god, however it's defined b) to achieve unity/oneness with god, or the world, or universe c) to annihilate the self and thus achieve liberation through dissolution is a spiritual death trap either designed or influenced by the kikes. That includes the great majority of mainstream religions and their denominations. Aryan religions are always teleological and promote spiritual evolution along with physical one until the perfect (or near-perfect) state is attained. They teach you to be better (not in some slave morality sense), more powerful and wise until you acquire divine qualities. Because only a perfected man can afford true morality, genuine sympathy (NOT EMPATHY which is mere mimicry) and kindness (towards the deserving). On the opposite, semitic slave cults create wretches that always seek to pull others down into their mud pile (or Hades, where they linger on along with other souls lost in ignorance). This spiritual "sin" always corresponds with the physical sin of racemixing and leads to a spiral of decay. As above, so below.

If you read Vedic texts from the certain perspective, you find a lot of scientific concepts that weren't officially "discovered" until 20th century. It was a genius move to preserve certain knowledge by explaining it in a way that would be understandable to people of limited scientific understanding, only for it to survive until the time when society advances enough to somewhat grasp the references.

It's a shame this thread got shilled so hard by christkikes.
>>1682
Great post. I’m still learning myself (though I try my best to give as accurate of information ITT as possible of course), so thank you for giving more insight on the relationship between Atman and Brahman.

Both of what you described as spiritual death-traps I wholly agree with you on. The perfect example of being a slave to a god is with Islam. The Qur’an is a disgusting piece of literature which does little more than threaten you with hellfire and punishment if you don’t obey, mixed in with contextless stream-of-consciousness writing. We don’t need to linger on Abrahamism, we both know its true nature. The other, which shills for annihilation or abolition of the self has always been offputting to me as well. It’s perhaps no surprise that Abrahamics like Saint Teresa spoke of union and divinization of the self, like a drop of water falling into an ocean, or similarly with John of the Cross, who sought self-abolition.

The morality of Aryans is also much more appealing. We, like you say, are not fallen, wretched beings, but at worst beings merely in ignorance – or asleep – who can become awakened and ascend to the greatest heights. My favorite example of this is with the Buddha. He became enlightened and then was asked by someone what he was, a man or a god. He replied “I am awakened”. The spiritual semite seethes with hatred and resentment at this mindset. I think another big difference which a lot of people don’t mention much is the type of ethics most common to Aryan societies traditionally – virtue ethics, the ethics which focus more on the true inner disposition of the individual rather than the mechanical adherence to the laws of some Jewish godlet (deontological ethics). It’s all again part of the master / slave dynamic.

Do you have anything more you can say about the black sun? Reading suggestions in general would be greatly appreciated. I understand it like you do as the true Self, the inner light, but also as a European depiction of the Wheel of Dharma and solar / Olympian principles
>It's a shame this thread got shilled so hard by christkikes.
It means they are afraid. There’s a funny thread on Nein/pol/ right now where the Christcuck OP got BTFO so hard that he started crying to the mods to delete pagan posts and started kvetching about Satanists and how we’re driving souls from Yeshua.
>>1692
I think I remember you from those threads on 8chan, where we discussed mythical weapons of Aryan gods, gateways, nature of the black sun etc. The last one had a pretty good momentum, that Freemason guy tried to supplant it with something else but he definitively knew his stuff and provided a lot of useful information (at least if we disregard the narrative and approach it with caution). I was away for a while and then they shut the whole place down. I also post in that thread on nein and on the /vril/ board. Satanism is a very convoluted, confused and kiked concept, as much as Christianity is. Think of it this way, we can say that our divine truth is like water. That water can mix with a lot of things, becoming significantly corrupted. But with the proper distillation process, it can be extracted from pretty much everything. When we apply this alchemist process (mindset, key) to religion, we become capable of reconstructing the ancient Hyperborean religion (science) of our ancestors even if it's completely lost to the world in this dark age. Kikes, as agents of disintegration always attempt to do the opposite. But being of insectoid and robotic nature, their algorithm did not change in the slightest. Christianity and Satanism are a good example of that. Christianity had a considerable amount of 'water', which they were trying to muddy by corrupting it more and more. When Aryans protested to it's kiked elements (which were plentiful, even from the beginning), they were branded as heretics and persecuted. Once that was no longer possible, kikes switched the roles and made a movement against it, however not attacking the muddy corruption, but the 'water' it contained! Or at least attacking both hoping to "throw the baby with the water" so to speak. Meanwhile adding more corruption of a different nature. This is how the degenerate, nihilistic/atheistic or devil(kike)-worshiping "Satanism" came to be. Remember, they ALWAYS provide two equally bad options that are presented in a dualistic, black and white manner and as only alternatives to each other. By bouncing back and forth between them, you get "dried up" so to speak. Until you become a spiritually hollow husk, ready to be devoured by their god. Just like most modern people are. Those are the two pillars of disintegration, a very potent Talmudic weapon. They do so in religion, politics, philosophy, everything. In materialistic sense, it leads to poverty, sickness, slavery. Their ultimate goal is a completely 'dry' world, the age of lead where no ascension is possible. This is why third position is much more than just a political movement, it's a weltanschauung, a holistic approach to counter the kikery in every possible aspect and reverse the spiral. Centrifugal and Centripetal forces.

For those held in stasis between the pillars, we will always be the satanists, even if we are Christians in the most primordial sense, that's much older than any Jewish charlatan offering you salvation. As you properly noted, the semitic-minded always seethe with hatred against those who dare to rise themselves up. Last men have always hated the idea of the Superman, the Ubermensch. I'd suggest you to read the myth of Hades.
>>1692
Morality of Aryans deals with potential and actualization. Race (nation) is cherished as the potential, individuals as actualization of that potential. I could say that the few of us have dual ancestries, one being our physical blood, another being our "soul ancestry" (that Evola wrote about). This is the true grail mystery, it's not one or another as many claim. This also resolves the individualism/collectivism dualism. A dog (or a nigger) cannot become a great writer, philosopher, scientist. Likewise, being white is not a guarantee of a person having any individual value. You need both. Indo-European languages always had a manyfold implicit interpretation of certain words and phrases. In that sense, Aryan (twice-born, royal born) could mean a divine soul born (and awakened) in a divine body (of a proper race). i.e Buddha. There are some exceptions, but they do not change the rule.

Here is an example of a difference between semitic master-slave and Aryan virtue ethics. The semitic-minded (from religious christkikes to pseudo-atheist SJW's, that are one and the same) would find it unethical for an Aryan man to kill a nigger touching a white woman. In their small minds, everything is equal (according to kike laws or the eyes of their god and contrary to the eternal laws of nature), and what matters is the persona(lity) and individual choices (although individuality among subhumans is almost non-existent and there is very little variety). Now, that woman did not pop out of thin air. She is the result of countless people struggling, suffering, surviving on extreme weather, fighting, consciously or subconsciously, so she can be smarter and more beautiful than a she-boon. Aryan man understands his debt and his duty to his ancestors. A woman throws all of it away in order to satisfy the most bestial urges, and spawn a creature that is going to be a freak of nature and hate both itself and it's parents, while at the same time a superior man will remain without offspring. This type of negative freedom is what kikes love the most. Just as I mentioned in previous post, atheist pseudo-liberals and christkikes both accept racemixing as part of their morality, despite being "opposed" to each other. Two sides of the same shekel. Now what is more valuable, a life of an animal, or countless lives of superior people, both of those who lived before, and those who might live in the future? Would you wish to be born as a nigger-mongrel? I for sure wouldn't. Nor would any nigger if he had a choice. This is the transcendent, impersonal morality.
I'm quoting Evola on the topic of submission to (a) God since some people here argue on this.
Revolt Against the Modern World
The Decline of Superior Races, p. 171
>By way of introduction to the second part of this work, let me make a final point that is directly related to what I have previously mentioned concerned the relationships between spiritual virility and devotional religiosity. From these last considerations what has emerged is that what in the West goes by the name of "religion" truly corresponds to an essentially "feminine" orientation. The relationship with the supernatural, conceived in a personalized form (theism) as dedication, devotion, and inner renunciation of one's own will before the divine hypostasis presents the typical traits of the path on which a feminine nature may realize itself.
>Moreover and, generally speaking, if the feminine element corresponds to the naturalistic element, then it is easy to see why in the world of Tradition the inferior castes and races (in which the naturalistic element was more predominant than in those and races governed by the power of aristocratic rituals and divine heritage) benefited from the participation in a higher order precisely through relationships of a "religious" type.
>>1556
Anything from the New Testament?
>>1739
I like your water metaphor, I think this is a very accurate way to look at it.
>Christianity and Satanism are a good example of that. Christianity had a considerable amount of 'water', which they were trying to muddy by corrupting it more and more.
While I think that Christianity is mostly unsalvageable for a lot of reasons that you and me have likely heard a thousand times, I do get what you're saying here. Christianity is in many ways the least Jewed of the Abrahamic religions, especially at its earliest stages where we see that paleo-Christians often engaged in crypto-Vedic practices such as mystic yogic and meditational techniques, vegetarianism in some cases and were believers in the transmigration of souls. The great subverter and remover of many if not all of the good elements was of course the Jew Saul. Attempts to resist this, like you say, were meant with extreme violence and persecutional (e.g. Albigensian Crusade, etc)
>This is why third position is much more than just a political movement, it's a weltanschauung, a holistic approach to counter the kikery in every possible aspect and reverse the spiral. Centrifugal and Centripetal forces.
Exactly, I recently saw a misunderstanding that criticized the term "third position" for being allegedly too focused on economics while in reality nothing could be further from the truth. The third position is exactly as you said it, it is a rejection of all kiked dualities and bringing society into harmony with dharma / the eternal laws of nature. It's suprapolitical. The Abrahamic mindset is by nature radically dichotomous For the Abrahamist it’s either the straight path laid down by their desert godlet or it’s hellfire. You’re either a Jew, or you’re a goy. You’re either a Christian, or you’re a pagan. You’re either a Muslim or you’re a dirty kafir. They refuse to understand or engage with other ideas in good faith – it’s a type of Judaic fanaticism, because that’s all Abrahamism is, the addled thoughts of semites pushed onto others. Their anti-nature, dogmatic and insane worldview can culminate in nothing less than genocide, egalitarianism, globalism, cuckery and control by elites. This is why the final form of Semitic thought is Marxism. These characteristics don’t exist in Dharmic / non-Abrahamic traditions
>I'd suggest you to read the myth of Hades.
Thanks I'll check it out.
>>385
What is anon's opinion or learnings on the Theosophical Society's claim that what we have left from Hinduism like the Bhagavad Gita are or contain encrypted in the same way a wizard would encrypt his knowledge?
>>1906
There is certainly a deeper core to the "Hindu" teachings; some of it has likely been partially obscured and lost over the millennia. "Hinduism" itself is merely a fall from the higher, purely Vedic practices of the ancient Aryans (and entire world, the further back we go). The original Vedic Tradition of humanity can be found in more or less degenerated forms wherever we look. I'm not too familar with what exactly Theosophy said in relation to this issue of encrypted knowledge (though I'm aware who they were and what they believed to an extent), but I'm certain that to some extent that they are correct. The meanings of some of these texts like the Gita alone could be debated for days on end. It would take a truly advanced spiritual teacher to even begin to see the Truth behind the words.
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Just a heads up for some anons that I just happened to notice when cross-referencing my copy of the Bhagavad Gita As It Is with the version on asitis.com. In my paper copy for verses 11.32-11.34 it says the following:
<The Supreme Personality of the Godhead said: Time I am, the great destroyer of the worlds, and I have come here to destroy all people. With the exception of you [the Pandavas], all of the soldiers here on both sides will be slain
<Therefore get up. Prepare to fight and win glory. Conquer your enemies and enjoy a flourishing kingdom. They are already put to death by My arrangement, and you, O Savyasaci, can be but an instrument in the fight.
<Drona, Bhisma, Jayadratha, Karna and the other great warriors have already been destroyed by Me. Therefore, kill them and do not be disturbed. Simply fight, and you will vanquish your enemies in battle

Compare this message with...
<The Blessed Lord said: Time I am, destroyer of the worlds, and I have come to engage all people. With the exception of you [the Pandavas], all the soldiers here on both sides will be slain.
<Therefore get up and prepare to fight. After conquering your enemies you will enjoy a flourishing kingdom. They are already put to death by My arrangement, and you, O Savyasacin, can be but an instrument in the fight.
<The Blessed Lord said: All the great warriors-Drona, Bhisma, Jayadratha, Karna-are already destroyed. Simply fight, and you will vanquish your enemies.

Krishna has been sanitized in the (((altered))) translation. He has no longer come to destroy all people (which makes sense since he was saying that He was time and that all will die or be destroyed in time due to impermanence of the material nature) and he no longer tells Arjuna to kill them and to not be disturbed while doing so. I had heard that they had fucked around with Prabhupada's translation of the Gita but I never expected anything this egregious. I've even accidentally used that site to give to people as a reference ITT. Forgive me, anons, I hope I have not been giving you subverted information in an attempt to make getting quotes onto my screen easier.

Also expect a meme in the near future where those verses are compared with some of the Beatitudes.
>>1908
>Theosophy
For all his errors, Guenon provided at least a very punitive book on the crooks behind Theosophy.
The best you could do is keep a few general ideas in the back of your mind, and keep and eye open in case you'd come across one of these ideas in a different place that you'd consider reliable and safe to work in.
>>1910
Version 1 is much more badass, much more Viking friendly.
Version 2 smells like Church-like penitence.
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>>1912
That's the same vibe I got. The first is imbued with the Aryan spirit and how it has always approached war and combat. Luckily for us though, the translator Prabhupada provided both the Sanskrit and word-by-word gloss with each and every line of the Gita so we can cross-reference and look up vocabulary for ourselves. Though even more telling -- After cross-referencing with other Gita translations it is clear that we are dealing with a case of genuine subversion. Here are two separate translations of those three lines:

Translation 1
<Lord Krishna said: I am terrible time the destroyer of all beings in all worlds, engaged to destroy all beings in this world; of those heroic soldiers presently situated in the opposing army, even without you none will be spared.
<Therefore arise for battle, O Arjuna. You will gain fame by conquering the enemy and enjoy a flourishing kingdom. All these warriors have been slain already by me due to previous design you are merely the instrument.
<Slay Dronacarya and Bhismadeva and Jayadratha and Karna also; all the other warriors bent on fighting are already slain by Me, do not be distressed, just fight and you will surely conquer your enemies in battle
http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-11-30.html
http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-11-31.html
http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-11-32.html

Translation two:
<The Supreme Lord said: I am mighty Time, the source of destruction that comes forth to annihilate the worlds. Even without your participation, the warriors arrayed in the opposing army shall cease to exist.
<Therefore, arise and attain honor! Conquer your foes and enjoy prosperous rulership. These warriors stand already slain by me, and you will only be an instrument of my work, O expert archer.
<Dronacharya, Bheeshma, Jayadratha, Karn, and other brave warriors have already been killed by me. So slay them without being disturbed. Just fight and you will be victorious over your enemies in battle.
https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/11/verse/32
https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/11/verse/33
https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/11/verse/34

I've heard rumors that the translator of my edition of the Gita, Prabhupada, was poisoned by the Jews, but I haven't looked into the claims. It's quite clear that something is up here. The guy was woke as fuck though, if you read his conversations and commentaries he talks about how the Jews were behind communism and were controlling the economy, hence why Hitler felt the need to kill them off (even if you rightfully don't recognize the Holohoax this is pretty redpilled), knew that the Bolsheviks were helped to power by Western capitalists and said that blacks were shudras who had to be controlled.
>>1617
>Siddharta Gautama, the Buddha, was a white Aryan man described repeatedly as having deep blue eyes.
Having blue eyes does not translate into an Aryan phenotype. He could have been a mixed race individual. The blue eyes simply testify of the presence of Aryans in that region, at least in the higher castes, which means the warrior nobility, which he belonged to.
>>1647
I wouldn't say the entire world, but surely most of the White world was likely Atlantean before the big wet drama, minus a few minor groups here and there who probably opted to retain their independence but might have been strongly influenced by the Atlantean empire nevertheless.
>>1913
The differences can be minute and subtle but I fear that in other parts of the Gita, greater disparity may be revealed in greater light.

For example, destroy vs engage. The former leaves no doubt about the outcome. But the sentence's final brings the second translation to the same conclusion though, with both sides dying in droves, minus the Pandavas.
We know the importance of words, a single change can have dramatic consequences.
There's a feeling the newer version are being made to sound less violent, but a deeper search will be required to verify this intuition.
We can observe the use of forms that are similar to Judaic and Christian works.

Also, the names sound exotic but it's safe to assume the divinely inspired and "good" guys were Aryans, truWhites.
>>1862
>Christianity is in many ways the least Jewed of the Abrahamic religions
Disagreed.
Islam focus a lot on war and combat. Christianity does not and tries to suffocate us with sentiments and positive feelings towards foes.
It implies to supersede the Old Testament with the new one, yet the old one is where the most war-like mentality is found, with a clear focus on might is right in some way, looting and patriarchy.
>>1925
What I said holds true for Christianity only in the context of some of the first and oldest Christians, the ones who followed many crypto-Vedic practices. It has been salvageable at least since (((Saul of Tarsus))) and likely even before that since the Abrahamic masses misinterpreted the teachings of Jesus, who is even recorded in the Gospels revealing the true meanings' of his teachings after he preached to the masses. Christianity today is the greatest hurdle to Aryan total victory. When it comes to Islam, I agree that in some ways it is much more desirable than Christianity since it has not been completely neutered.
Why is there so much obnoxious shit flying around this thread when it is pretty much objectively established that Cosmotheism is the one and only religion?
If you consider it as such that is.
>>1946
Is Cosmotheism actually worth looking into? I've listened to Pierce talk on a few different topics but I've never read any of his religious works. The same goes for Ben Klassen. With Klassen's Creativity it just seemed like atheism with a religious mask.
>>1948
Absolutely, might seem very ambiguous in the beginning but everything just makes SENSE once you can piece it together.
I suggest listening to Pierce's podcasts should you have the time. Alternatively I planned to make a concise thread about it sometime later so you could also wait for that .
>>1950
I look forward to your thread then. I will likely look into finding some of Pierce's podcasts in the meantime as well since I enjoy listening to him.
Jainism is extremely Aryan in many respects and its metaphysics easily graspable (all things are either jiva (soul) or ajiva (non-soul). The universe is eternal and there is no periodic destruction and recreation of the universe. Every individual self is responsible for the creation of its own karma and its results such as the body and the like. There is Godhood in all individuals, which becomes manifest through liberation. In fact the liberated being is higher than the gods. God is only the highest, noblest and fullest manifestation of the powers which lie latent in the soul of man.

Let it be remembered that Mahavira, the 24th tirthankara, was a white Aryan kshatriya as well.
>>1938
So he kept the secret sauce? Who gives? The religion must guide the plebe too, so if it contains shit, the religion is shit.
You're just playing games with hey I've got something better in you buy the season pass, big upload to heaven trick.
Wow the smelly BS right here.
>>1946
I don't recall Pierce even giving much flesh to his own idea, from what I read it was quite vague and not detailed. I can't even see how this went right to the level of "religion". But if you have data, let's go for it in another bread.
Right?
>>1975
>The religion must guide the plebe too, so if it contains shit, the religion is shit
A good teacher teaches in accordance with what his audience would understand. Why he did not lie to the Abrahamic masses, he did not give the full story since they were not ready to receive the full truth. Just as you have to learn the basics of any topic before being taught the most advanced parts, the same applies for spiritual matters.

Mark 4:33-34 -
<With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.
Mark 4:10-12
<When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that,“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding
There was an esoteric core to his teachings that the Jews could not understand.

It's the old exoteric (what the masses can grasp) versus esoteric (meant for the elite, advanced) distinction. This was common all over the ancient world. If we read Cicero's The Nature of the Gods we see how the participants in the dialogue, regardless of philosophical stance, all mock the literal readings of the myths that the plebs believed, laughed at their naive anthropomorphism, etc but they were all firm believers in the Divine. The same understanding can be seen as early as the Rig Veda:
>They call him Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Agni, and he is heavenly nobly-winged Garutman.
>To what is One, sages give many a title they call it Agni, Yama, Matarisvan.
Rig Veda 1.164.46
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rig_Veda/Mandala_1/Hymn_164
>>1978
Hi.
You remind me of a discourse I entertained with a Christian who followed the advice given by Evola in his latest books. It was understood that there was a certain mysterious knowledge that one might somehow salvage in parts in certain forms of Christianity, but it was understood that at no point the exoteric matters should even be given attention. Above all, the entry through Christianity was just that, a step, and by no means a finality.
In other words, it helped the Christian find a way towards more esoteric matters because he couldn't reach them via other means which were nevertheless preferable. He knew that the exoteric content was very problematic and acknowledged the semitization of the content.
I told him it reached even beyond that poisoning, since no religion meant to be good to a people (example: Aryans) should be given a free pass just because the higher knowledge is hidden; i.e., even the basic tenets should be irreproachable. I don't know if he ever managed to move beyond Christianity. Anyone who stays stuck in it is in trouble. The values, the principles as much as the Semitic story is just garbage tbh.
The "mysteries" one could eventually begin to get a glimpse of through a certain form of Christianity are accessible in better and purer forms elsewhere.
As is, some of the logic and morals suffusing throughout the Bible are dramatically rotten. It takes a blind mind to refuse seeing the facts.
We are progressively returning to our roots, we can now move lay down the Christian burden and act freely. The strong inherit the Earth, being proud is essential to the cohesion of a people again, fighting the enemy to the death is the rule and no respect should be given to him.
I feel sad for those who cannot free themselves from Christianity.
>>1862
I never implied that Christianity is salvageable (especially not in it's current form), just that it contained some traces of our ancient religion and was broadly accessible to our people. The wiser and gifted people have managed to extract those traces once in a while, which led to major heresies (usually the Gnostic ones). Religions didn't pop out of thin air, they are a result of countless ideas overlapping over centuries and evolving. See how many "Biblical" elements can you find in the following links. That doesn't mean that "all the religions are correct to a certain degree" as ignorant people often claim, but simply that you can restore the correct one by isolating it's elements from the other religions that contain them, but are otherwise kike corruption, and apply those elements in an entirely different context. In Kali Yuga, our ancient religion is completely lost and can only be restored by certain means, which are unavailable to all but the very few.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna

>vegetarianism
I'm inclined to see this as a corruption . It was probably a meme made for shudras so they leave the more valuable food to the higher castes.

> it’s a type of Judaic fanaticism, because that’s all Abrahamism is, the addled thoughts of semites pushed onto others.
Read "The Nature's eternal religion" by Ben Klassen and "Bolshevism, from Moses to Lenin" (I posted the link on /vril/).

>>1906
That's precisely what I'm hinting at. But Theosophy was a good idea with a horrible execution. Blavatsky managed to figure some things out, but went into a completely wrong direction, leading to more confusion and ignorance than clarity and insight.
>>1989
I hope that person you talked to eventually freed himself from Christianity. As time goes on, I begin to realize more and more that Christianity is a vital threat to our people and one of the greatest sources of our malaise today. It is interesting how Evola began to make him see the light to an extent and acknowledge that certain exoteric doctrines were very harmful to the average person unaware of the inner core. Which writing of Evola did he read, if you know? I've been slowly getting into Evola myself over the last few months. I've read his Metaphysics of War and found it absolutely fascinating and I've read parts of Revolt Against the Modern World, but I put it down due to having too much reading on my plate. When I do it pick it up again I might read Guénon's Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines for a better grounding in Traditionalism.
>Anyone who stays stuck in it is in trouble. The values, the principles as much as the Semitic story is just garbage tbh.
This. I've long graduated past "kike on a stick" rhetoric. The problem of the Jewish origin of this religion is bad enough but what really seals the deal is the slave morality that we're all well aware of.
>We are progressively returning to our roots, we can now move lay down the Christian burden and act freely. The strong inherit the Earth, being proud is essential to the cohesion of a people again, fighting the enemy to the death is the rule and no respect should be given to him.
Well said.
>I feel sad for those who cannot free themselves from Christianity.
Christianity functions in such a way that it consumes your mind and feeds on one's anxiety over death and the beyond. You are born depraved and if you don't follow it you will burn in Hellfire for your sins for eternity. You become quite literally a slave to a Jewish god. It's evil. The relationship between men and the divine in more traditional societies were one of reciprocity and respect. The gods had to be appeased, but it was more of a quid pro quo transaction
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By the way, anons, I was looking around in a university library today and was flipping through pic related. It seemed like a very good book from the portions I read from. Would recommend. It had some good stuff on Cārvāka, Jain metaphysics (>>1967 was me) and Pramāṇa. I took some photos of the pages I wanted to read in more detail later but they're really bad pictures, otherwise I'd post them. Sadly I can't find a PDF.
>>1990
>That doesn't mean that "all the religions are correct to a certain degree" as ignorant people often claim, but simply that you can restore the correct one by isolating it's elements from the other religions that contain them
That's the only sensible attitude to have in my opinion. The mantra that "all religions are correct" that I've sometimes heard spoken even IRL has always made me cringed. There is either one Truth or there is not and some traditions may be more or less in adherence with that Truth.
>>vegetarianism
>I'm inclined to see this as a corruption . It was probably a meme made for shudras so they leave the more valuable food to the higher castes.
Yeah this is something that I'd like to look more deeply into one day. I'm not a vegetarian personally. If I had to guess, the idea of vegetarianism likely entered mainstream Vedic religion thread śramaṇa movements.
>Read "The Nature's eternal religion" by Ben Klassen and "Bolshevism, from Moses to Lenin" (I posted the link on /vril/).
I will have to pick these up. And I saw your link on /Vril/, thank you. Luckily I'm just about to finish another book tonight so I'll get started on one of these. Funnily enough I've been planning on getting into Klassen over the last few days. I actually have a Bitchute tab open right now on an interview between Tom Metzger and Ben Klassen. Apparently they discuss the World Church of the Creator and various aspects of Creativity, I haven't watched it yet though. I had sort of an impression that Klassen was just a glorified atheist so I'm pretty curious

Link if you're interested:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2NMQCrQnow7F/
>>1908
Read the Upanishads, I'll post the best and most comprehensive version if I manage to dig up the old bookmarks. Try to focus on the core text and not the interpretations in other versions that you may find. There is a lot of senseless clutter (due to it gradually decaying and getting profaned by the primitive minds of the dark races which later adopted them), but you can find a lot of gems in some parts with the proper mindset.

>>1910
Never drop down your guard, the entropic kike virus corrupts absolutely everything. They are certainly not going to leave out the texts which might contain knowledge needed for their utter extermination. They are terrified of people getting even a hint of it. Everything must be turned into kosher poz in order for noahide laws to work. People must live in a state of absolute ignorance and slavery, and they are even going as far as overriding their biological instincts by various means to achieve that.

>>1913
I wouldn't be surprised if he was poisoned, kikes take these matters very seriously despite being entirely materialistic. Hitler and other NSDAP officials were divinely inspired, by a flash of lighting from some other age (and/or a world). By the same divine technology, many of their plans were foiled. And it is the same lightning that will bring forth Kalki, the great purifier and the final avatar of Vishnu, of whom Hitler was only a messenger in this world. He will annihilate the kikes, mutants, artificial life, animal-men (subhumans) and all the soulless, degenerated and corrupted whites, leaving only the few pure ones to start the next cycle. Aforementioned candalas will become totally dissolved and erased in the "oneness" that they seek so much while the SS warriors in this cosmic battle will achieve ascendancy (or return to it). This is also the ultimate fate of the Norns, and should be approached stoically. Just as the recently quoted text teaches us. It does not apply only to people, but to societies and worlds -in time- as well.

>>1924
Many modern names that white people have are based on various kikes or other semites thanks to christcuckoldry. Varuna (Arjuna) sounds much more white to me than (((Matityahu))) or Matthew. Indra sounds much more white than (((Yehohanan))) or John.

>>1925
Islam is inclusive (non-racial), relies on deception (semitic) and seeks absolute submission (slave mentality and feminine energy). It's the perfect slave religion, which is exactly why kikes are forcing it so much despite being outwardly "opposed" to it. Christianity was spread with unprecedented brutality and force (mostly by subhumans using the numeric advantage over the superior, but fewer heathens, for which a good parallel could be found on the eastern front in WW2). That did not make it right, just like it did not make the Soviets right. Islam represents the degenerate, mindless aspect of war, waged by subhuman rats against superior nations. Of course, certain positive elements could be extracted from it as well, but it should be rejected as a whole. It achieves the same goal as christcuckery and bolshevism, just by different means.
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>>1999 (checked)
> Islam represents the degenerate, mindless aspect of war, waged by subhuman rats against superior nations. Of course, certain positive elements could be extracted from it as well, but it should be rejected as a whole
I agree with your criticisms of Islam from early in this paragraph, especially how it is opposed to racialism, preaches Semitic practices like taqiyya and fundamentally fosters and glorifies a state of abject slavery. There are definitely positive aspects to the Islamic conception of holy war; I think Evola did a really good job of laying this out and explaining it in his Metaphysics of War, where he explained the difference between the lesser holy war (the material) and the greater holy war (the internal / spiritual). He cites various ayah which demonstrates how the Islamic ideas of fighting 'in the Way of Allah' actually have many correspondences with with classical or Norse-Medieval ideas. Pretty interesting. Of course this discussion was linked to actual warfare, not freaks sperging out and knifing random passerbys while screaming in Arabic. But, aside from these Traditional aspects that Evola and others have highlighted, Islam must be wholly rejected like you said. It is foreign to the spirit of our people and false.
>And it is the same lightning that will bring forth Kalki, the great purifier and the final avatar of Vishnu, of whom Hitler was only a messenger in this world. He will annihilate the kikes, mutants, artificial life, animal-men (subhumans) and all the soulless, degenerated and corrupted whites, leaving only the few pure ones to start the next cycle.
It is a shame that the coming of Kalki is so far away, that is if we are to take literally the length of the Kali Yuga. Even now the symptoms of the Kali Yuga have gotten very advanced and are impossible to ignore. I love reading descriptions of Kalki's appearance on Earth and how he will do what must be done. Of course we must not despair. If we are to trust the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam were are told that "the incarnations of the Lord are innumerable, like rivulets flowing from inexhaustible sources of water" (1.3.26). While Kalki is far as I understand it will be a pūrṇāvatāra (full avatar) who won't come until the end of this yuga, there are countless opportunities for more living entities especially empowered to preach the glories of the Lord such as Adolf Hitler, i.e. śaktyāveśāvatāras. These are by no means ordinary human beings.
I find that the nostalgia either for past, future, or both is what brings the most pain.
>>1997
Veganism is pushed today as required by noahide laws (look it up as well when you find time, and watch videos of vegans branding themselves as cattle, pretty self-explanatory). While vegetarianism might be appropriate for complete ascetics, I wouldn't be surprised if it entering the mainstream religious narrative was either a memetic measure to preserve food rations or a full blown kike subversion.

>impression that Klassen was just a glorified atheist
That's just a perspective, and a very necessary one. When you reach a certain state, you will be able to argue for our cause as a materialistic atheist, rationalist philosopher, and a metaphysical guru/wizard. Simultaneously. Like those Hindu deities that have many arms and weapons in them to BTFO sudras and candalas . Because you will know that this threefold approach only shows different perspectives of the Same. That's why Judaism is so successful, it combines the biological aspect with the memetic one. But they lack the third one because kikes don't have souls. Regardless, even combining the two would be a great success for our racial revival. I'll check out that link later.

>>2000 (checked lel)
Islam was definitively influenced by some Aryan ideas, but I have no traces of how, and where. Even Serrano commended some of it's concepts in an interview. I noticed how there were various heresies in Islam, very similar to the some that happened in Christianity. Yazidism is very interesting in that regard, so was the Hashishin sect (but for other reasons).

>It is a shame that the coming of Kalki is so far away
It doesn't have to be. I also believe that "periods" of kalpas and yugas are actually atemporal (eternal at the source) and don't have a specific length in time, but are influenced by various events. No world is the same, and no history plays out identically, although certain events and times will inevitably manifest in one way or another. Counting days until the next yuga is a very profane and exoteric way of looking at things, but that's to be expected of the dark skinned. In fact, I'm certain that the coming of Kalki can be triggered in some way, or even that it HAS to be triggered in order to end the iron age, or prevent a descent into an even lower state, from which escape might not be possible.
>"the incarnations of the Lord are innumerable, like rivulets flowing from inexhaustible sources of water" (1.3.26)
I hope this sheds more light on my water metaphor. Even if the well dries up completely, they cannot extinguish the source.
>>2056
>Counting days until the next yuga is a very profane and exoteric way of looking at things, but that's to be expected of the dark skinned.
That’s a very good point. Usually I am good at brushing aside the bullshit and looking into the core but sometimes at first glance I tend to get bogged down on the details, especially when it comes to less obviously untrue things like the length of an age. For example I can easily realize that even if the gods (or especially God) as exoterically understood exist in one form or another, the anthropomorphized depictions shown in myths are obviously not a reflection of reality.

Christians can’t seem to understand that one can hold this position and still be able to adhere to a tradition. I just finished tonight actually Cicero’s dialogue “The Nature of the Gods” and was surprised to see how enlightened of a conception of the divine the participants in this fictional dialogue were depicted as having. None of them literally believed the tales of the Greeks and Romans, but they were by no needs atheists. They were fervently religious, yet decried all forms of superstition and pleb-myths. The representative of Stoicism viewed the world as animated by the world-soul, with the gods as popularly depicted being mere manifestations or appellations of the divine in different spheres of existence, Neptune in the seas, Jupiter in the heavens, etc. They saw the myths as containing hidden truths within them. These educated elite men mocked what śūdra and candāla-types believed, yet Christians today will call you a LARPer if you don’t literally believe every single myth and attempt to appeal to symbolism or esoteric meanings.
>In fact, I'm certain that the coming of Kalki can be triggered in some way, or even that it HAS to be triggered in order to end the iron age, or prevent a descent into an even lower state, from which escape might not be possible.
I fear that a descent into an even lower state is very possible and that we are rapidly approaching a time where we will reach a fork in the road — either we’ll embark on a path to regeneration or we will go extinct and Earth will be eternally fucked up or at least for a very long time. This holds true in my mind most importantly on the racial front, but also in regards to the technological problem, but that might go too off-topic for this thread. If our race goes extinct it will feel as if everything were for naught, seeing the crowning creation of Nature be eradicated by resentful and subversive parasites.

Do you have any ideas on how Kalki could be “triggered”?
>I hope this sheds more light on my water metaphor. Even if the well dries up completely, they cannot extinguish the source.
Wow that actually makes me like that metaphor even more, the two mesh very nice.
>>2060
>If our race goes extinct it will feel as if everything were for naught, seeing the crowning creation of Nature be eradicated by resentful and subversive parasites.
If such a thing happens my only solace would be that they would suffer for centuries to come in the doomed world they created.
>>2060
>Usually I am good at brushing aside the bullshit and looking into the core but sometimes at first glance I tend to get bogged down on the details
No worries, some things are easily overlooked

When you are dealing with the divine, you are dealing with the infinite. While time itself might be a mathematical constant or a "fixed variable" (in the dimensional, material world), our perception of it is certainly not (as our minds are not material, well, at least for of some of us). This is another distinction between the Brahman and the Atman. For example, when certain insects look at us, it appears to them as if we are moving in slow-motion. Few days of ours could be a lifetime of theirs. It's a complex neuro-computational subject, but one of reasons for this phenomenon is that our brains have much more information to process with each cycle (frequency). Similarly, when we are in great danger, our brain shuts down many non-critical processes and we get a feeling that the time has slowed down. It did not, it's just our perception becoming temporarily faster due to our brains being in survival mode.

Now, let us consider the verse saying how "The God created the world in X days" While the concept is rather ridiculous (if taken in a literal sense), it does not have to be. A hypothetical God would have a rather inconceivable amount of information to process. Meaning that one day of his could be an entire timeline of the universe. But what this sentence also implies, is that his (or rather hers) perception, no matter how great, is still limited and finite (in time). Meaning that it's not the only god, or the highest god as his/hers slaves claim. It's total computational power equals the combined computational power of this universe. This is the Brahman/Demiurge for Gnostics. But it's not you. You are of the Atman (probably lol). But I digress, I wanted to use this as an example for what you wrote about Cicero's work. While the superstitious minded might believe in this sentence literally, and equally ignorant atheists might reject it completely, the few might see an entirely different meaning of it.

Many old gods were depicted as having animal heads or other parts, but those most likely just symbolized the earthly senses, being "with one leg on the earth and with another in heaven" so to speak. And most of old gods and supernatural beings represented certain archetypes or Platonic forms, which while not literal, could manifest in a very literal, physical sense to a lesser or greater extent. Sometimes as a natural occurrence, sometimes as a human, sometimes as an idea, sometimes as something entirely else. Or a combination of thereof.

>I fear that a descent into an even lower state is very possible
Indeed, the age of lead. And I'm afraid that regeneration might not be possible without the great cleansing. It's good that you mentioned technology, as all of their efforts are focused on ushering the former, and preventing the latter. Bioengineering, geoengineering, CERN, radio transmitters everywhere ... but yes, it's a subject for another thread.
>seeing the crowning creation of Nature be eradicated by resentful and subversive parasites
Survival of the superior is not guaranteed by evolution unfortunately, only the survival of the fittest. What makes our race divine is that it's a product of divinely guided, teleological evolution with a specific purpose and desired outcome, while the other races are either it's extremely degenerated offshoots, hollow, severely defective copies, or a product of a semi-random evolution (Darwin's theory). Kikes are an exception because they are entropy materialized, the anti-thesis of the Indo-European (Aryan). The anti-race. But that "divine origin" also means that we can never truly die (those of us who did not get digested by the belly of Brahman/Maya at least), while every kike has an expiry date.
>Do you have any ideas on how Kalki could be “triggered”?
I have plenty, but I'm still not certain. I can sense it though. But that's for another occasion.
>>2117
>Indeed, the age of lead. And I'm afraid that regeneration might not be possible without the great cleansing. It's good that you mentioned technology...
Yes, I am very much Tedpilled on these matters, though I reject his more anarchistic tendencies. Along with things that will soon become more commonplace like the microchipping of the goyim and manipulation of our brains, modern society breeds decadence through its levelling nature and has created a society of weaklings and candalas. A great cleansing is necessary, either that or I hope for a global collapse so that we can sidestep, at least momentarily, a further consolidation of technological judeocracy to come.
>kikes
When you talk about the kikes and lower races as being copies with an expiration date is this idea derived from Serrano? I believe I have heard of this, and that they are merely the “golems” of Brahmā-Yahweh. If so, I’m interested to learn more about this. What this seems to say to me is that only Aryans have the divine spark within them and are thus the only things truly “alive” in a sense, while the mud races and the Jews are merely meat puppets who come into existence for a time, live, and then face annihilation. I remember reading something in Revolt Against the Modern World that immortality was the exception to the rule, and it was only something achieved by aristocratic, noble souls who embarked on a solar, Olympian path as opposed to a telluric, materialistic one characterized by impermanence and becoming rather than being.
>>2127
Anarchy can only be temporary. And it won't be sufficient to stop their plans, it would only delay them. I'm afraid that nothing short of an apocalypse will suffice, as described in the Vedas. And it's strongly linked to the polar shift and geomagnetic field of the earth. Don't forget that some NS officials were highly interested in the poles, which are centers of such activity. Then a small group of pure whites (Manu) can emerge and repopulate the world again, as it happened before.

I visited a very remote island recently, and saw some rather interesting structures and land layout at a golf field next to a luxury resort, indicating it possibly having some kind of underground shelter beneath. While the place was generally populated by niggers, in that area almost everyone was white. Europeans of various nationalities. The sight was rather beautiful. Next night I had a dream, I was a kid emerging with my family from beneath the artificial hill after the sealed door has opened, and felt an amazing freshness everywhere. Everything was clear, bright, colorful and full of life. I asked my "mother" what's going on, and she told me how we have been asleep for a very long time, and how now is the time to wake up again. There was something divine and otherworldly in her voice, resonating with a lot of significance. Which led me thinking that it could be an entirely new cycle rather than a mere point in current history after some kind of disaster. Our entire group was made of white people of lighter complexion and few swarthier ones, and when we reached other locations, there was no one else there. No niggers (or other races), no corrupted whites, and most importantly, no Jews. This island was a significant remnant from the antediluvian period, which is the real reason why I went there. It was likely one of "emerging points" at the start of the current age. Now, there is nothing preventing kikes from building shelters for their own in a typical "end of the world" scenario, meaning that the real apocalypse (coming of Kalki) will have to contain certain elements that will purge them no matter how deep underground do they hide and no matter which technology they use to protect themselves, while simultaneously sparing the worthy whites. Which will have to be one of the Vedic weapons. In fact, one of such mechanisms already exists, but they are desperately trying to stop it.
>>2127
>technological judeocracy
That's what they are led to believe, but they will be devoured and dissolved by what is planned as well. If you read Tolkien's works, a story of Ungoliant is a good example. The hunger of their god will not spare them either, once they have fulfilled their purpose.

>When you talk about the kikes and lower races as being copies with an expiration date is this idea derived from Serrano?
Don't mix the two, other races are the animal-men, either native to this planet, whites who have degenerated into animals by forsaking the Dharma, or a genetically engineered slave class. I tend to lean towards the second possibility the most. Once you lose your spiritual foundation, your mind gets clouded and you lose your reason as well, leading to you racemixing and other self-destructive practices, losing your physical form in the end (next life). Which is why kikes have first targeted our beliefs and traditions, then our culture and worldview, and lastly, our genetic potential. One does not go without another.
>they are merely the “golems” of Brahmā-Yahweh
The Jews, exactly. Genetic robots. While the animal-men might contain small traces of the divine spark, that could be nourished over countless lifetimes to help them ascend (and eventually become Aryans), the Jew lacks it entirely. The only exception being some mischlings whose blood was not sufficiently corrupted, but those usually destroy themselves due to great internal conflict of two opposed natures.
>immortality was the exception to the rule, and it was only something achieved by aristocratic, noble souls who embarked on a solar, Olympian path as opposed to a telluric, materialistic one characterized by impermanence and becoming rather than being
I agree with this notion for the most part. But it's a very complex subject, as well as the science of the soul (and most people not having it in the true sense). Yes, Serrano wrote extensively on these matters, but it only coincided with my own realizations and gnoses, some of which I had even since I was very young.
>>2143
Now in regards to that dream you had, how lifelike did it feel to you?

Also, any thoughts on Agartha? I am almost certain that there are large hollow spaces within the Earth that we surface dwellers are wholly unaware of, and that the possibility of an inner civilization is very possible. The stories around it have always intrigued me. In 1873 a French official in India named Louis Jacolliot wrote ‘Le Fils de Dieu’ which spoke of local Brahmin’s stories of “Asgartha”, which was described as a type of solar capital which was the seat of the chief priest of all Brahmins and a manifestation of God on Earth. Then later on Joseph Saint-Yves d’Alveydre reported a similar underground theocracy under the Himalayas that he saw through astral travel, saying that they concealed themselves from mankind at the start of the Kali Yuga, only to emerge when mankind has reached a high enough state.

The most interesting thing is what seems to be a completely independent verification of Agartha. Ferdinand Ossendowski was told of a prophecy when he visited a monastery during his travels through Siberia and Mongolia about a century ago. According to the Buddhist monks there in 1890 the King of the World appeared and foretold that a period of war was approaching, along with hunger, disease and crimes. When this ended the King of the World would send a group of men to lead the fight against evil. “They will found a new life on the earth purified by the death of nations.” According to the prophecy in the book the peoples of Agharti (as he calls it), will swarm out of their subterranean home to the surface in 2029.

<The throne of the King of the World is surrounded by millions of incarnated Gods. They are the Holy Panditas. [...] If our mad humankind should begin a war against them, they would be able to explode the whole surface of our planet and transform it into deserts. They can dry up the seas, transform lands into oceans and scatter the mountains into the sands of the deserts.
<In cars strange and unknown to us they rush through the narrow cleavages inside our planet.
These sound a lot like ancient Aryan technologies like Brahmastras and Vimanas to me. There is possibly an extremely advanced, wholly Aryan, wholly Vedic society of an extremely advanced spiritual nature within the Earth, a nonfictional version of the Vril-ya.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2067/2067-h/2067-h.htm
>>2154
>how lifelike did it feel to you?
More than usual, but it was not one of the super-realistic ones that always happen IRL sooner or later.

>Also, any thoughts on Agartha?
It exists, but you won't reach it by land or the sea. It's not a literal, physical location with X,Y,Z coordinates inside the physical earth. This is another misdirection that leads people to a wrong path. You can only reach it by phase-shifting, and certain locations on earth (and inside certain caves) are just node points that can facilitate such shift or make it easier. I made some posts on 8chan before, covering the science behind it, but it's a very complex subject and requires at least a basic understanding of the frequency domain. It was the NS German scientists who made the latest breakthroughs in that area (by rejecting the Jewish physics that's mathematically inconsistent), which later got taken by ZOG through operation paperclip. There have been no major breakthroughs since then, which should tell you enough. It also requires you to discover Agatha inside your own mind (cave is an allegory) before you are able to synchronize yourself with it enough in order to be able to shift into such an intermediary domain. Which pretty much disqualifies every kike and the great majority of the animal-men by default. Some say that it's this domain where Hitler and the higher ranked SS/NSDAP officers went at the end of the war. Not necessarily alive in the materialistic sense, but not necessarily dead either. Which is hard for most people to grasp, since it does not adhere to the typical dualism that they've been conditioned with since birth.

There are actually a couple of such locations in my country, but exploring them properly would require a lot of logistical support.

>When this ended the King of the World would send a group of men to lead the fight against evil
Maybe Hitler was just leading an expeditionary/recon force
> According to the prophecy in the book the peoples of Agharti (as he calls it), will swarm out of their subterranean home to the surface in 2029
Hah, imagine flying discs of light shifting in and out of existence and annihilating everything that the kikes throw at them. And not even their pathetic god being able to help them. Just like in the good old times. Everything that's happening could be just a test of who is worthy enough.
>>2169
>Everything that's happening could be just a test of who is worthy enough.
I have had a feeling about this even prior to taking the first redpills.
Sage for no effort post.
this is easily the best thread here
These photos are two excerpts from Cicero’s The Nature of the Gods – a very interesting book, though it belabored the point at times – giving examples of how upper class, educated pagan men in Greece and Rome viewed the nature of the gods and their ridicule towards the exoteric tales. I find this extremely interesting because it directly shoots down Christian arguments that we commonly see against pagan traditions which make fun of us for apparently believing in the literal meanings of the myths and the existence of the deities exactly as described with their anthropomorphic shapes and many humanlike failings and proclivities. Similarly pagans are attacked on the grounds of being materialists, as if this was inseperable from being an atheist. Certainly not all god-affirming philosophies of antiquity were materialist, though in response to such Christian attacks one can easily point out that two major schools of philosophy which affirmed the divine (albeit in different ways), namely Stoicism and Epicureanism, were both materialist doctrines. Personally I am not a materialist, but I think this common attack needs debunked. I’m thinking of making some infographs or images to help shut these spiritual Semites up easier with. I’ll have to take the time to find good quotes and maybe peak around my university library on some lesser known pagan traditions for textual support.
>>2201
It’s so rare to have a comfy thread about Aryan spirituality and religions without much shitflinging. Hopefully it stays like this.

Oh, and this isn’t directed at you exclusively but for any anons reading this feel free to post about any Aryan-linked religious tradition, Vedic stuff by no means has a monopoly ITT.
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>>2056
>Islam was definitively influenced by some Aryan ideas, but I have no traces of how, and where. Even Serrano commended some of it's concepts in an interview. I noticed how there were various heresies in Islam, very similar to the some that happened in Christianity. Yazidism is very interesting in that regard, so was the Hashishin sect (but for other reasons).
There are varying permutations. You could add sufism or the special secret current the elite has in Iran too. But it remains nevertheless connected to Abrahamic filth.
>>2300
>or the special secret current the elite has in Iran too
Do you have more information on this? I'm wondering is Iran a viable alternative to defect to if kikes start hunting us down. There is a chance that they are just a controlled opposition, that revolution was a bit fishy and kikes always need some sort of boogieman and external threat in order to keep their ranks together and prevent themselves from cutting each other's throats, while having a convenient excuse to steal money from whites in some kind of reverse protection racket scheme. But on another hand, Iran did make certain strategic moves against them and seems to be resisting the globozog so far. Definitively not a first choice, but could be a good backup plan.
>>2311
>I'm wondering is Iran a viable alternative to defect to if kikes start hunting us down
I'd unironically recommend North Korea over Iran. North Korea is staunchly anti-Zionist and has denounced them as a satellite state of America, not to mention that there are a wonderful example of what the West could be if imbued with a proper spirit of national pride, strong leadership and a military ethos. Let us also not forget that North Korea has literally given Juche and Songun propaganda to Aryan Nations people to distribute in the US and given them a tour of the DPRK.
https://www.nate-thayer.com/white-power-and-apocalyptic-cults-pro-north-korean-americans-revealed/
>>2311
>>2312
Stay where you are and regroup with other Whites.
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>>2312
>A communist, white supremacist Muslim who is also the true Jew gets endorsed by North Korean regime and later joins Hare Krishna
You can't make this shit up. America is a fun place, it really makes me sad that I don't live there sometimes. At least this guy went from being a hobo to having a cozy shack and a qt waifu

>Agent Horowitz, are you saying that you can entrap and discredit all of our enemies, at once? Communists and Muslims too? How is that even po-
>Hold my beer

NK is more of a /leftypol/ place. At least in Iran I could form a new order of Hashishin and train elite assassins to send after the giga-kikes like Soros, Rockefellers or Rothschilds. On a more serious note, I'm sure they would appreciate our knowledge and experience in dealing with them. And our actions would not be as ... restricted. We might even get the state funding and teams to work with. Countering kike propaganda and sabotaging their operations globally, developing alternative internet, supporting other like minded groups and individuals, or getting deeper underground and working on more complex subjects. Imagine the white gods returning to build the new Persian Empire. Unfortunately, I don't think we could trust them enough, nor that they would trust us. But having a backup/escape plan in case we become targeted would not be a bad idea.
>>2315
They’d probably want nothing to do with white nationalists if they weren’t Islamic honestly. Unless your planning on constituting “جيش الآريون الإسلاميون“ and seeking out help I’d be skeptical of their willingness to help.
>>2316
I remember some posts from muslims on 8ch say that a lot of times they think they're in good company with fascists with religion being the only dividing factor and as such try to convert them into islamo-fascists. I don't really agree with them, especially since that would bring the connotation that they would feel welcomed to Europe and it's people like they do today but I can see where they think our values overlap.
>>2319
I have a love-hate relationship with Islam, honestly. There’s almost nothing that I disagree with in the religion itself (outside of quibbles with the Qur’an being essentially nothing but a calumny of threats for hellfire), but the biggest hurdle for me is that it’s too brown and, like you hint at, I’d lose all grounds for racialism and keeping brown migrants out of my country. It’s kind of sad too because I think it is one of the strongest bulwarks to globohomo today and frankly I’m terrified of one day having children and seeing them corrupted by kikes before my eyes if I don’t give them a proper unshakeable moral foundation. I love pagan religions but I don’t know if they are enough of a living tradition to give a family an actual foundation sometimes and to impart values with, and give them a community.
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>>2312
Fuck failed communism and the slavery and theft people are exposed to, many people in north Korea are fucking starving or have been starving as a result of Jewish policy and trade coups.

In a way it's good that there is some polarity in the world i don't mind, I don't mind commie NK too much in itself, they can live in all the poverty they want and have Kim suck their wealth dry in his private slush fund while he's making other people forcibly worship that shit while he lives in a palace and watches old westerners(like Stalin, that fag also loved westerners) but he should know such a regime won't last in any case tops 150yrs give or take, at least while being exposed to this garbage ideology they will be Korean and have their "nationalism" during this time.

But you know, the situation to NK is not that different to the west, politicians driving around in armored mercedes benzes while we are struggling to get by working paycheck to paycheck, while our wealth is being stolen into paying for a bunch of human trash(and their crimes) we never even voted for in here and investing our tax payer money in stock markets, financial crashes leaving many dirt poor, fucking us up with turd world trash chess piece import voter welfare drains and rapist/murder stat contributors. You cannot call the west not a dictatorship as well, with actual worse future implications than it has for the North Koreans and their garbage ideology, think about that for a minute.

We need a political or social revolution ending with them being tried, hung up by the neck and killed for their treason. Because that's essentially what they have been doing to us for 70 years since world war 2 in a different way. Unless we decide as nationalists to come together and destroy these traitors by any means they will kill us all slowly. My friends, no time to sit idly by, get active peaceful/political and sometimes(you lonewolves) not and we can achieve great things, either way it requires mass action. But we have to work for tit, freedom and liberty must always be earned.

Btw for some polarity on the "shooter subject" if there are still some of you cucks out there Baruch Goldstein killed muslims in their mosque who is literally being praised as a hero by every jew as a hero in private they made a special tomb for him in lay down flowers and funeral stuff and remember him as a martyr in Israel, also praise their other unironic terrorist "heroes" in the king david hotel or 9/11. Leftists also praise their martyrs, most recently the ICE shooter and others.

Yeah and you know they're fucking right, SAINT BT, AB were fucking heroes, fighters of our people and should be applauded, at least Jews have the common decency to realize it. Jews and leftist scum don't want to do us that favor of course, constantly being paranoid fearing their lives for treason they'd rather paint it as a stark, gloomy "tragedy" that undemocratically imported, import voter welfare drain, child killers, hand grenade attackers, rock throwers and rapist/murder stat contributors and their fucked up sick coddlers IN OUR NATIONS got removed from earth. It was right and just.

BT and others are heroes that took one for the team as far as I'm concerned, in fact he's a hero. There was literally nothing sad or terrible about genocide chess piece import voter welfare drains and rapist/murder stat contributors that don't belong in our countries getting removed from life being unjustly given to them by our traitor Marxist politicians.
>>2322
>Yeah and you know they're fucking right, SAINT BT, AB were fucking heroes, fighters of our people and should be applauded
Good post. I’ve personally started to praise these people in real life if it comes up in conversation somehow (it’s more likely than you’d think). They are saints, plain and simple, and it’s frankly cowardice not to admit it. People have made very good points that communists, Muslims, leftists and non-whites of all kinds NEVER throw their own under the bus, but as soon as a white man rises up and starts to fight back it’s instant accusations of “hurting the movement” or that they’re a “fed / false flag” (as if there’s no reason why a white man would fight back in the current year). Right after Crusius happened I had to defend the content of his manifesto against normalfags who denied and shrugged their shoulders at the white genocide happening in Texas and the rest of the United States. As far as I see it my race is more important than how lemmings perceive me. We need to normalize the fact that these guys are fighting for our future existence and need celebrated openly on the streets just like the kikes you mentioned. Hell, if I made an IRL group I’d be printing shirts with Tarrant’s face on it reading SAINT below it. I wish there were good groups in the US who didn’t care about optics but also weren’t total LARPer filled honeypots. Maybe I’ll make it myself one of these days if I get active IRL.
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>>2323
Thanks, also more groups are a good thing, gun-toting and edgy shit are more likely to attract glows but they usually do anyway (eventually as/if you do your job right and it grows) HOWEVER it's actually no big deal unless you are peaceful and don't do any violence, which a political group entails, I'm sure you will detect glows personally like nothing, seasoned users and rl experience people know how they all operate so it's all good.

Even joining another group isn't a big deal as long as you actually do something my friends, dnt sit around on your hands in any case. You can be a legend like Patrick little too. Anyway anything way more important than playing videogames jacking off or whatever dumbfuck dull shit people use to waste time with, its all boring anyway, activism even alone sets a kick off the day and is very wholesome, feeling of fighting for your people is great, because we are right and just and this sick world deserves justice.

And listen if you ever make a group which i hope you do. Make sure to include a couple of good guys you know for a long time pref irl who agree with you first and with your white man brain use the cell system if it grows. It is almost totally impenetrable by glows or any scum.

Also don't give the enemies free ammo, please dont wear skull masks and such bullshit or include shit in your propaganda that is "too edgy" or not relevant or understandable for normies, no skulls and other bullshit, just appear well adjusted, confident and know what you're talking about and people will actually hear you out. Even sometimes become intrigued. Or react very positively to your party programme for instance leaflet which you will eventually need.

Best of luck friends hope you do the right thing, there is no place in heaven(or on earth) for cowards. It's now or never.
>>2324
Thanks for the advicd, anon. What you’re talking about with skull-masks and overly edgy propaganda has always bothered me to. There’s a big difference between pushing the line and making people a bit uncomfortable and then Atomwaffen Division-tier edgy LARPing. Ultimately if / when I ever got the balls to get off my ass and try to make something work I’d want it to be politically viable and respectable-looking without optics-cucking. Even though there is no democratic solution at the end of the day, participating in all avenues in the pursuit of success is vital. I’ve been thinking of getting a Tarrant-physique (still working on it) and trying to recruit a few buddies and then from there seeing what can happen, if anything. I’m so fucking sick of reading fags on /pol/ endlessly bitch about Jews day in and day out and not doing anything and I’ve realized I’m part of the same phenomenon I despise. People don’t seem to realize that our race CAN’T COME BACK once it’s gone.

I’ll have to look more seriously into this. I’ve been told I have a good voice for radio. Maybe I can put it to use
>>2316
Expecting help would be naive, it would be a trade and a pragmatic move. Both theirs and ours existence is threatened by the same (((factor))) . And I'm not talking about the average Iranian, but their elites, which are expected to be more calculating. Again, not as a first choice, but as a backup plan. In that case even nominally converting is not out of the question.

>>2319
>>2321
Islam is not compatible with our goals. It's a semitic, universalist, slave religion whose followers are usually brown. Shia Islam is least kiked though and seems to be a counter-current to the Jew sponsored Sunni Islam. On top of that, Iran has an actual culture and some nationalist tendencies, in contrast to your rootless, amorphous brown mass that are Sunnis. Also, they seem to be mainly focused on the region that's already brown and Muslim (unlike Sunnis that are a literal scourge upon the white world), meaning there are no opposing interests between us.

>>2322
We need a reasonable alternative to Jewish lies (Talmudic world order) and a society built on dharma/natural law, not worshiping some Korean commie and being his personal army. Such reasoning is /leftypol/ tier
>freedom and liberty must always be earned
Exactly. There is no more dangerous delusion than people thinking how are free by merely existing.
>Baruch Goldstein
We are not in the same position as them. While I agree that we will never win by always being on the defensive (the only way to defend from a Jew is to attack, as Goebbels said), and that some whites are simply irrecoverable and should be left to the dogs rather than wasting time trying to reason with them, some might still be salvaged if we don't act completely retarded.

>>2323
There is a big difference between showing respect/support for Tarrant and encouraging similar acts. Looks like my post about Iran has triggered some glowniggers kek. I wouldn't be surprised if they try another false-flag so they could try to shut down this board as well. Don't fall for their provocations. Assume everyone who even implies doing something criminal while calling out reasonable people for not being "hard" enough to be an agent provocateur. These people are not trained to deal with non-scripted situations and will always try to polarize the narrative.
>>2326
>Islam is not compatible with our goals. It's a semitic, universalist, slave religion whose followers are usually brown.
Exactly. Even with being marginally better than the other Abrahamic religions in some ways, anything that would undercut racialism or opposition to mass-immigration should be rejected out of hand for being unnatural. The Vedic tradition is at least compatible with hierarchy, thoroughgoing inequality and what is clearly racialism if we look at its earliest forms and tales how Indra hated dark skin and slew darkies by the thousands for the Aryans. The same holds true for other forms of paganism since other people typically do some borrowing from the extant (though corrupted) Vedic way.
>There is a big difference between showing respect/support for Tarrant and encouraging similar acts.
Agreed. I still have many doubts as to whether the path of people like AB and BT is really an effective strategy in the long run. Of course we’re not living in the 1930s anymore and I do consider myself an accelerationist, but mass-shootings are a “one and done” approach that gets your ass throw in jail and likely executed by ZOG. I could say more but I don’t want to derail the thread too hard
>>2323
My boss put a photo of Tarrant up on his office wall. He said something in regards to if everyone decided to go to town on reds and their pets in such a fashion they wouldn't be a problem anymore.
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>>2337
Damn it must feel good to work for an Aryan boss
>>2337
That's a pretty brave thing to do. What kind of place do you work at? If some libshit saw that they'd have the entire fucking media on it. On the subject of BT, do you think that the glownigs might try to imitate what Tarrant has done in another Vegas style attack? Also, does anyone else in this thread think the Vegas attack was a false flag? From my perspective it is.
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>>2340
Sometimes I wonder though what would be the point of these false flag attacks if they don’t result in actual government action. If, for example, we saw a suspicious attack took place and then instantly the government came together as one and starting confiscating guns I’d be very inclined to say that it was a false flag. If we look at false flags involving military actions, they are designed to succeed. The false flag is done and then the glowniggers take the chance to do what they set out to do, whatever that may be. While I agree that both Parkland and Vegas were extremely suspicious (especially Vegas), I wonder sometimes what would be the point of a false flag if it did not achieve really anything in the long run.

Forgive any typos or missing words, I’m sleepy and too lazy to check over what I just typed
>>2338
I guess my commie slotting Czech can be Aryan.
>>2340
For the longest time we used to have a Parteiflagge flying off the flagpole before the permafrost decided to melt and have that crash down. Most people round here don't give two shits.
>What kind of place do you work at?
I make stuff out of steel. We're a shop that deals with heavy equipment. Nothing like giving the kiwi who works here free reign of the company card for VPNs to crash the NZ polices turn in page.

As per the glowniggers, I ain't got a clue on what they'll do. They're one of those unpredictable predictable sorts, as in they've got thirty head chefs in a kitchen trying to accomplish something. All I know is whatever they're cooking is taking an awful long time to finish. Vegas was most definitely a false flag.
>>2331
There are few parameters according to which everything should be measured. 1. Does it lead to racial purification/segregation or racemixing 2. Does it benefit us or the global jewry 3. Does it lead to creating a superman or subhuman (in every other context, such as culture, science, religion etc.) 4. Does it lead to (positive) freedom or slavery (including a subtle one) 5. Is it based on natural law/metaphysics or artificial, degenerate, anti-natural tendencies 6. Does it seek higher truth or believable lies

Of course, these are quite broadly and approximately defined, and there are many more, but I think certain currents are evident over the course of history. No matter which guise, be it political, religious, cultural, counter-cultural, establishment or "revolutionary" the Jew takes, it will aim at advancing one of the mentioned negative currents and undermining one of the positive ones. Even when it might seem that it's advancing one of the positive ones, it would only be temporary, or a situation where negative tendencies are advanced more than positive ones.

I read yesterday how Jews were considered a "fifth caste" in India, gives a whole new meaning to the fifth column lol. Although I doubt the organic origin of the fourth too. Maybe each caste gets added per Yuga, Jews symbolizing the one even worse than Kali Yuga, something which higher humanity that was the origin of Vedic texts probably couldn't even think of.

>but mass-shootings are a “one and done” approach
I see it as ragequitting to be honest. One fully awakened individual is worth more than 1000 shitskins. It would take a really great high-score in order to justify such self-sacrifice, which, while commendable into itself, is not guided by wisdom, or beneficial for the cause.

>>2341
It's always gradual, one attack does not justify taking away your guns, but many of them can be spun by the media to create a narrative where there would be little to no opposition to such policies. What kikes are shilling as "accelerationism" is exactly that. You may notice that they are using the same pilpul as the one for Trump campaign (3d chess etc.) The results will be no different, rest assured of that.
>>2346
>1. Does it lead to racial purification/segregation or racemixing 2. Does it benefit us or the global jewry 3. Does it lead to creating a superman or subhuman (in every other context, such as culture, science, religion etc.) 4. Does it lead to (positive) freedom or slavery (including a subtle one) 5. Is it based on natural law/metaphysics or artificial, degenerate, anti-natural tendencies 6. Does it seek higher truth or believable lies
I couldn't have said it better myself. I use similar categories in judging things and everyone who's pro-white should. Following those six points makes you essentially immune to being Jewed. I have no doubt that Hitler thought through a similar process each and every time he was about to make a major decision.
>I read yesterday how Jews were considered a "fifth caste" in India, gives a whole new meaning to the fifth column lol.
Link or book name?
>Although I doubt the organic origin of the fourth too. Maybe each caste gets added per Yuga, Jews symbolizing the one even worse than Kali Yuga, something which higher humanity that was the origin of Vedic texts probably couldn't even think of.
According to the traditional accounts at least at the beginning of each mahayuga, i.e. in the new Satya-yuga there is only one varna that encompasses all of humanity. All religious duties are perfectly fulfilled as a matter of course. Only in the Treta-yuga are the four divisions constituted. (ŚB 11.17.10 and ŚB 11.17.13). This makes sense, it's pretty far for the course as far as Aryan traditions go. Everything is degenerated when compared with the Golden Age. Your theory about the Jews is interesting. I'm honestly surprised that the many signs of the Kali Yuga foretold do not speak of anything like the Jews since they nail it perfectly on almost everything else. Instead it is just talk of self-serving and corrupt governments who wage war only for territories and are themselves as tamasic and decadence as those that they lord over.
>I see it as ragequitting to be honest. One fully awakened individual is worth more than 1000 shitskins. It would take a really great high-score in order to justify such self-sacrifice, which, while commendable into itself, is not guided by wisdom, or beneficial for the cause.
Yeah. I support Breivik and Tarrant but I'm critical. My position was well-summed up by James Mason in a recent interview when he was ambushed by Journokikes. They asked him about his position on violence and he said "I told them not to do it, but if you’re gonna do it, do it right"
https://invidio.us/watch?v=xzegMydwwg8
>>2315
>Rockefellers
Spiritual kikes only, they are.
>>2319
Muslims often times try to convert people. Just don't deal with them.
>>2323
Plz glow harder.
>>2340
>does anyone else in this thread think the Vegas attack was a false flag?
From the quirks to the symbology to the numbers to the analysis of explosive flashes, if it's not a false flag, perhaps a botched one, it still is very stinky.
>>2359
>muh glowniggers
Nice buzzword, metokurfag, The dude's a saint, plain and simple. He laid down it all for his people and now you're going and throwing him under the bus. Leftists and non-whites never throw their own under the bus because they're not cowards.
>>2349
>I have no doubt that Hitler thought through a similar process each and every time he was about to make a major decision
NSDAP programs were similar (albeit simpler and more vague), but decades after the war have shown us some other attack vectors that kikes use, in addition to the ones that they have used over the course of history. It was only a variation of the same though, as like any machine, they are incapable of changing their modus operandi or being creative. They are HIV/AIDS in human form, it all comes down to developing immunity at the end of the day. Countless will die from the disease (both physically and spiritually), but the few will evolve and resist it, even when exposed to it's most dangerous forms. Not as a result of some kind of random, Darwinian evolution (that's easily debunked with probabilistic models), but as a result of purposeful, teleological evolution guided by the inner light of the Black Sun. That's how nature (actually) works. On a metaphysical level as well. No amount of (undeserved) technology, "education" and (((integration))) can supplement countless transmigrations of the soul. This macabre delusion of the "enlightenment" movement is only achieving the opposite, just as it's Talmudic infiltrators had hoped.

The few who overcome, will realize that the anti-race known as the Jews were the great filter of civilization. But the civilizations of higher level might not be how Jewish Hollywood producers have imagined them ...

>Link or book name?
I was reading Serrano's commentary at the end of "MANU: For The Man To Come'' He was a diplomat who spent considerable time in India.

> i.e. in the new Satya-yuga there is only one varna that encompasses all of humanity
Well, in an age where everything is perfectly synchronized, where everyone performs his/hers duties as a matter of course, where there is no conflict (not as a result of some idiotic slave morality or universalist kikery, but simply because everyone is practically perfect and at peace with themselves, living a life of complete fulfillment - such as pleroma of the Gnostics), there would be no need for a warrior or a merchant caste for example. Or they would all be combined. The next age brings conflict, and thus a warrior caste emerges. War creates scarcity, leading to the emergence of the merchant caste. This creates greed, leading to the inclusion of the slave caste, which would mark a practical beginning of the Kali Yuga. Just an idea of mine, it would make more sense this way.
>do not speak of anything like the Jews
It would be really difficult for an Aryan man (especially of some brighter Age) to imagine something so sinister, vicious, and depraved. The same reason why so many whites find it so hard to believe in the Jewish conspiracy today, no matter how obvious it gets. They do speak of conditions in which the Jews thrive though. Maybe some hidden wisdom lies in the fact that Jews are not people, but a disease (And Vedic texts cover those to a great extent) and that no matter what they do, the ultimate decision is up to us, both collectively and individually, as the only divine race on this planet, having the actual freedom of choice. We are the children of Lucifer, the Amalek. While others are mere biological automata, including the Jews, who live in total slavery to their programming and their robotic "god" .

>James Mason in a recent interview when he was ambushed by Journokikes
The whole setup looks awfully childish. I know Jewish think-tanks instruct politicians, journalists etc. to address their audience like they are a bunch of retarded children (as this reduces their consciousness to that level, making them much more susceptible to brain-polluting and manipulation), but this is really kindergarten tier behavior.
>>2370
>I was reading Serrano's commentary at the end of "MANU: For The Man To Come''
Thanks, anon. I'll be sure to read it eventually. I'm only just beginning to take the Savitri Devi pill. I just started The Lightning and the Sun last night actually. I am really interested in getting into Serrano but from a skimming of the book he seems much more advanced. I'm very much a novice at esoteric National Socialism.
>The whole setup looks awfully childish. I know Jewish think-tanks instruct politicians, journalists etc. to address their audience like they are a bunch of retarded children (as this reduces their consciousness to that level, making them much more susceptible to brain-polluting and manipulation), but this is really kindergarten tier behavior.
It's typical Jewish manipulation. Notice how it has that menacing drone-sound subtly playing in almost every part in the beginning over Mason doing normal day-to-day activities. This tells the lemming "THIS IS BAD, GOY!" The sad thing is that the Jews use these methods exactly because they work on so many people. Our people in are a deep slumber
>>2524
Leave Serrano for later, you will hardly find something more advanced as far as publicly available books are concerned. I'm still searching, despite being exposed to some content that's generally exclusive to certain secret societies (such as the one that Serrano was a member of). Unless you are a highly ranked member of those or have access to vaults of Vatican, your only option might be to continue it yourself. But he left sufficient traces where to look to get more information.

I'd highly recommend you to read the book that I'm uploading before starting Serrano.

>Our people in are a deep slumber
Maybe our expectations are too high. After all, anyone reaching even close to where we are is definitively not an ordinary person. Especially in this dark Age, when even the wisest lose their sanity. I mean, all of us were fooled by one form of kikery or another before reaching this stage, but what made us different was that inner feeling telling us that no matter how logical, well elaborated and believable something appeared, there was still something not quite right about it. Which compelled us to look further.
>>2531
I changed the extension to .pdf so I could upload it, but you need to change it back to .epub and download a reader to open it.
>>2531
>>2532
Thanks for the PDF / EPUB. I’ll be sure to check this out at some point, as I would definitely like to be able to tackle Serrano one day.

>Maybe our expectations are too high. After all, anyone reaching even close to where we are is definitively not an ordinary person.
I definitely think that more people than ever are asleep today by default due to the vast machinery than Jewry operates in order to be able to bombard us with propaganda and other manipulative messages nearly 24/7 nowadays. This is facilitated by computers, smartphones, TVs and other ubiquitous devices that they’ve duped us into thinking are (((essential))).

Even without this apparatus though there’s a reason why ancient Aryan societies were organized as they were with the spiritual elite on top and groups under them which gradually, the lower one was, were less awakened and more ignorant of greater matters. Most people are chandalas, NPCs, hylics, lemmings, whatever one wants to call it. Today this is called “misanthropy”, but as anyone who looks into it knows that the ancients understood the importance of a qualitative hierarchy of functions and the need to elevate the awakened and / or intelligent into positions of authority above the plebs. The vast majority of people will never awake, the Gita (16:19) says it best
<Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life.
The lowest among men (and if you see how the 16th chapter defines such demonic beings it includes 99% of modern humanity) are PERPETUALLY CAST into these abominable existences. It is clearly stated that such demons have practically no chance of receiving the mercy of God at any stage of later life. How stark of a difference from Abrahamism.
>>2536
And how many of those technologies were a result of Aryan ingenuity? For which time in history do they use our own technology against us? Early computers and the internet were an amazing development, giving all those intelligent white people a means of communication and information gathering. Now it's a tool for dumbing down the masses and population control.

The poz was also present when I was growing up during the 90's and 00's and even Goebbels noted their psychotronics with the advent of TV. Not to mention their deceit and manipulation reaching countless centuries in the past. That did not turn me into an NPC, although I did wander from one wrong path to another until I reached the truth. While their control mechanisms did become more insidious and advanced over time, it should still not completely prevent those who are meant to be the spiritual elite from finding the right path. Even as a kid I instinctively avoided the corruption that was being forced on my people at the time, which later turned to be a form of psychological warfare with devastating consequences. The same distaste that I had for Christianity since the early age.

>Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life.
Funnily enough, I always found it difficult to feel jealousy. While I was certainly disapproving, or even felt hatred for chandalas or shudras elevated to positions that they did not warrant or deserve by any means, while the potential of the higher people was routinely suppressed and sabotaged by the society, it was rarely a feeling of envy.
>How stark of a difference from Abrahamism
Well, according to Old Testament, 99,9% of people are going to hell. But it has entirely different value system and context.
Does any anon have more stuff from "Jews fear the Samurai" guy? I used to see a caption of his saying something like "what you see as Satan is actually God" posted on chans, so it got me curious about his ideas.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oVCGRRHEshet/
>>2579
His name is Haku Zynkyoku (伯壬旭) / Rokan Kojima (小島露観). He used to have a Jewtube but the kikes banned it. Anyway, here is his vid which talks about Lucifer and Prometheus.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bzPOgdX2zygK/
>>385
Everyone should get Bibek Debroy's Ramayana and Bhagavata Purana three-volume translations from libgen/b-ok.
>>2593
For the translation of the Bhagavata Purana in particular thanks for bringing this to my attention. I had been looking so far mainly at Prabhupada's translation and commentaries on it, and to buy physical copies would be far too expensive, seeing how it runs into 12 volumes for his stuff. I'm glad there are copies online too so I can see if it is worth it beforehand. The sections on the Yugas and Varnashrama-dharma that I've read were very interesting.
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>>2600
I've been comparing some aspects of Prabhupada's translation of the Bhagavata Purana with Bibek Debroy's and I must say that I like how Debroy seems to retain the Sanskrit terms like 'karma', 'samsara', 'atman' and the like more often that Prabhupada does -- I particularly like the preservation of the term 'dharma' which Prabhupada often seems to translate as "religion", as I've noticed in comparing the sections on the Kali Yuga and from reading his translation and commentary on the Bhagavad Gita. As I'm sure you know translating "dharma" tends to introduce more confusion than it fixes by leaving a strange foreign word there instead. Not to trash Prabhupada though, in general I like his translations and commentaries and often refer to them.

I'd also recommend this site, it seems very similar to KrishnaPath:
https://vedabase.io/en/
>>2595
fwiw, I read my father's set of Srimad Bhagavatam in my tweens and teens, and recently discovered the Debroy translation of Ramayana and found it excellent, so looked into the rest of his work and read his SB/BP, and I recommend reading it first because it is a direct translation with no commentary, allowing the reader to absorb and digest the text as a unit without someone else's interpretation.
Then go on to Prabhupad's SB, so you can get the Gaudiya perspective and the historical/cultural contexts of some things.

Where to get a similar commented-text for Ramayana (the Tulsidas Ramayana with commentary is a nice read after the direct Debroy Valmiki Ramayana, in the same way)

http://lordrama.co.in/resources.html
>>2602
>I recommend reading it first because it is a direct translation with no commentary, allowing the reader to absorb and digest the text as a unit without someone else's interpretation.
I definitely think I'll do this for the SB. I downloaded this afternoon Debroy's translations after I saw your post. When I first read the Gita I read it straight through with every single line of Prabhupad's commentary and started to feel a bit bogged down. I still loved the work but in hindsight it would have been better to go through and read it through to get my own interpretation or only reading the commentary when it was necessary in my mind for me to do so. Reading it as a unit is really important, because when I went through and read the Gita how I said above, all flow was lost.

Thanks for the links and advice. Despite me having made this thread and trying to give lots of info, I'm admittedly somewhat of a newfag when it comes to this stuff. I have much to learn, so any help like yours is much appreciated.
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>>2601

Debroy's Ramayana actually ended up teaching me a lot more sanskrit/vedic terminology and cosmology because of googling obscure terms like the term for the Four Elephants that hold up the world: Dishagaja (River-Elephant)
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>>2603
Here is my favorite direct English Bhagavad Gita (I've read a great many. I haven't actually read Debroy's, it's probably good too) which I can't seem to find anywhere, even amazon. I don't remember where I actually got this file originally.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2w_rjadg1tWZlJnamd1bHdWN2M/view?usp=drivesdk
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>>2605
Funnily enough that's actually a translation of the As It Is edition stripped of commentary. I noticed it by chance when I was scrolling through the table of contents, and sure enough when I reached over to my bookshelf to compare the names of the chapters and the certain verses that I always use for comparison for some reason (4.7-8). Still, good taste. This might make more comfortable reading because when one tries to read As It Is all the way through without reading the commentary you find yourself flipping pages every ten seconds or so.
>I can't seem to find anywhere, even amazon.
I just looked on Amazon.in and you can find it. The bad part about that is that they don't seem to ship to America, which sucks since the books there are dirt cheap. Check out Amazon.co.uk though, I just looked and you can get Debroy's translation for £17.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bhagavadgita-Bibek-Debroy-tr/dp/0670093157
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>>2603
>Thanks for the links and advice.

There's a Prabhupad saying I like for these occasions:
>I am but the servant of the servant
>>2606
I was unclear: Bibek Debroy's BG is on libgen and b-ok, I couldn't find epub I linked anywhere, but you've cleared that up. It's As It Is minus commentary, which is probably why I like it so much.
>>2608
Ah, I think I just have bad reading comprehension when I go and look back at your post kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRY9jdrcYAI

Mithraism is also quite underrated when it comes to Aryan spirituality, just look at statues from Mt. Nemrut and how are the gods there portrayed.
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>>2626
You remind me, tangentially, to post this Zoroastrian material

https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=389D009F8618379020AE60A6E178FF5D
>>2626
And these

https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=B9275B5C901C97D04595A5707310B6B9

https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=FD2491509C82880E3619AA42B44D6C09

It's interesting to see the way the original Aryan people split this way after the fall of Mohenjo Daro.
Haoma and Soma, Devas and Daevas, Asuras and Ahuras.
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Currently digging into how Caste was in Persia, it seems to be highly contested:
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/class-system-i
(tl;dr one school of research suggests a dualistic structure of Warrior-Herdsman and Priest, one school says Warrior, Herdsman, Priest, and still another says Warrior, Herdsman Priest and Artisan)

I'm thinking the likelihood is that depending on the era, you'd have pre-specialization of pre-agragrian society- thus the Warrior-Herdsmen and Priests in antiquity and then Warrior, Herdsmen, Priest later, then Warrior, Herdsmen, Priest, Artisan as urbanization and complexity created the necessity for more sophistication and articulation of division of social labor by specialty.
“Genetic Evidence on the Origins of Indian Caste Populations”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC311057/
>Moreover, the affinity to Europeans is proportionate to caste rank, the upper castes being most similar to Europeans, particularly East Europeans. These findings are consistent with greater West Eurasian male admixture with castes of higher rank.
>Analysis of these data demonstrated that the upper castes have a higher affinity to Europeans than to Asians, and the upper castes are significantly more similar to Europeans than are the lower castes. Collectively, all five datasets show a trend toward upper castes being more similar to Europeans, whereas lower castes are more similar to Asians.
Hindutva “we wuz Indus Valley Civilization” pajeet mongrels btfo.
>>2634
It sucks that there is so little information on Persian castes. From what we know about Vedic society and the theories about Indo-European societies we can get somewhat of an idea of what it MAY have been like but it’s just not the same. I tried to do a bit of digging on JSTOR a little bit ago but didn’t find anything particularly interesting or that added to the very interesting link that you posted.
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>>2640
I saw this, or a study much like it or confirming it on sciencedaily a month or so back and was ecstatic because now I can shut down sjw retards claiming Aryan Invasion was a myth.

Jesus Christ, the way Academia starts at the answer they want and works backward blows me away.
Read the fucking materials for once in your fucking LIVES, academia. Just god damn once. (You don't need Arctic Home In The Vedas to tell you where the Vedas came from, anyone with reading comprehension and a basic knowledge of paleoclimatology sees it)

I have high hopes that Out Of Asia or perhaps, more conservatively, Multiple Origins hypotheses for human origin will be finally vindicated. I think it's pretty clear to the unbiased mind that Asia and in particular Sundaland is the primary locus for the emergence of man.

I'm currently researching the migration of people from sundaland as it flooded out, because it may be totally possible that Dravidians/Austronesians invading India from Sundaland may have caused the collapse of Mohenjo Daro Civilization and that the Aryan "invasion" may have been a reclamation push.

I find that the vedic literature seems less and less exaggerated in terms of timeframes once you consider the climate data.

Ramayana does seem to be a 25-50kya story, and this is interesting considering Vanaras in light of Denisovans &c

But I digress.
>>2629
>>2630
Can you post some interesting excerpts from those books?

I was amazed at how many similar (or even exact same) words did I recognize when reading Upanishads. Words that are common to Slavic folklore and everyday language. I even remember reading a text by one of our academics saying how there were ancient folklore texts making an account of how our people got exiled by dark skinned hindushi from a place that seemed very resembling to India. I never saved the source unfortunately.

>>2634
>That key
Pic related
> the king prays that his country be protected from the (foreign) army (hainā), famine (dušiyāra), and the lie (drauga)
The importance of a priestly caste for the survival of the nation seems to be present in all ancient Aryan societies. But Christianity was not the only attempt of the kikes to undermine our old gods and replace them with theirs, just the most successful one. They tried to do something similar with Sabazius/Bacchus. Check out the statue at Florida Holocaust museum, the resemblance is quite striking.
>>2643
>The importance of a priestly caste for the survival of the nation seems to be present in all ancient Aryan societies
This is no surprise. The priestly caste was (is) our link to the sacred; they are the preservers of a sacred tradition and the history of a people. They could be seen best as some sort of spiritual anchor. If that anchor becomes severed we have tragically seen the results with the Celts. The oral tradition of the Druids, which as we know where the Brahmins of the Celtic peoples, was completely and utterly lost and because of that we know almost nothing about their religion outside of the most banal exoteric forms and some descriptions by outsiders. Christians directly undermined this spiritual hierarchy for their chandala religion.

I really need to look more into the systems of the other Aryan peoples (like the Roman flamines / milites / quirites divide or what existed in Greece) in more detail. The stuff posted about the Persians in this thread is interesting, but it is sad that we know so little.
More Vedic Fun: Rig Veda: https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=0B6CF562881BC69B70DEBB54811EAE17 Straight translation, no commentary. Brahma Samhita: https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=6B9101A4AB915CE06949FF8A1502553B Gaudiya Commentary, by Prabhupad's teacher Thakura (or teacher's teacher? I can't remember this very second)
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I'm currently reading Savitri Devi's The Lightning and the Sun and already I can tell that this book will be one of my favorites when I'm done. I'm not too far in right now but I like the distinctions between men "in Time", "against Time" and "above Time". So far my favorite quote is the following: <One can say, with more and more certainty as the “Dark Age” goes on, that the god-like men of action are defeated, at least for the time being, not for having been too ruthless (and thus for having roused against themselves and their ideas and their collaborators the indignation of the “decent people”), but for not having been ruthless enough — for not having killed off their fleeing enemies, to the last man, in the brief hour of triumph; for not having silenced both the squeamish millions of hypocrites and their masters, the clever producers of atrocity-tales, by more substantial violences, more complete exterminations. I don't have too many thoughts yet since I'm within the first hundred pages but if anything strikes me in particular I'll be sure to talk about it. >>2670 >a modern translation of the Rig Veda Blessed. I own a physical facsimile copy of the Rig Veda from 1896 by Ralph T. H. Griffith and the language can be a bit archaic to say the least with all sorts of "ne'er"s, "thou"s and "hath"s. Not a relaxing read, but readable.
>>2691 These are an amazing Trilogy. They are absolutely anti-perrennialist BUT damn fine stuff regardless. I've focused on the middle book Religion Of The Future the most. In it he talks about the 4 problems of man (Death, Belittlement, Existential Groundlessness, Insatiability), Historical vs Biographical time, and the 3 ideological divisions of religious philosophy: Overcoming The World, Humanizing The World, Struggle With The World and it's been enlightening despite my own Vedic Orientation. Well worth the time.
>>2695 Forgot 5 file limit. Here is the Unger/Smolin third book, and as a bonus a similar awesome paradigm-shifting non-aryan philosophy book: https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=0019864EFCA4119BAC4615C6B0D1009C
>>2369 Keep your shit elsewhere faggot. Your (((hero))) who said nothing of the Jews, Zionism, got sites nuked, blocked, guns banned, whites jailed, made mudslimes be untouchable victims and several of them even got papers right after that. He gave kikes what they wanted but were too afraid to ask for. You learn to see things differently when you're part of a group that does its best to create shareable facts in an organized way, to an ever growing audience through a fragile network we put a lot of efforts into, when suddenly a suspicious moron runs all of this into the ground. If this shabbo goy is your man then emulate him, call some mudlimes, end in jail or dead so we won't have to endure your "useful" presence here, cupcake.
>>2370 >there would be no need for a warrior or a merchant caste for example In a non pozzed, racially pure system, the castes are just fancy names for army and guild. They are needed, if only for organizational purposes. >>2536 >demoniac >Gita I think you should consider another translation. >demonic beings it includes 99% of modern humanity >such demons have practically no chance of receiving the mercy of God at any stage of later life. Unless it is forced into them by a superior being, a purveyor of light. That 99%, even if we were to account for non-Whites, is not believable. >>2548 >Well, according to Old Testament, 99,9% of people are going to hell. But it has entirely different value system and context. Same with the New Testament. Not a single Christian does everything that is asked of them by Jesus to get the golden ticket.
>>2601 >dharma It's an applied, practical spiritual philosophy tied to a meaningful praxis; there is action to be achieved. Translating this as religion is unbelievably vague.
>>2604 >Four rivers Leading to a sacred city. >Cthulhuphant We're officially fucked done.
>>2642 Even more interesting when considering the height of waters, the presence of underwater ruins near the coasts and, globally, the existence of Lemuria (Sundaland, somehow?) and that bridge that was north-south across a vast patch of shallow sea.
>>2719 >I think you should consider another translation. Every translation I can find translates that either as “demoniac” or “demonic”, I don’t see the problem, especially since the words being translated like that are always some derivative of “asura” Debroy translation: <“In this world, I hurl those hateful, cruel, evil and worst among men into demonic births, several times.” Swami Mukundanda: <These cruel and hateful persons, the vile and vicious of humankind, I constantly hurl into the wombs of those with similar demoniac natures in the cycle of rebirth in the material world. Another translation: <These envious, cruel, evil, lowest of mankind; verily I hurl perpetually into the cycle of birth and death into the wombs of the demoniac http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-16-14.html
>>2726 Not sure what he is saying there. No chance later in life, but they always have the ability to ascend to another case *after death* if they straighten up and fly right to the degree possible. And yes, Krishna's main function in that incarnation was dispatching demons, and in so doing liberating their souls. Being murdered by a righteous person for good reason is how lots of jerks get out of hell-spirals.
from early in Original Magic (Flowers) >I: Mithra had an active and dynamic role in the original pantheon. His activities extended to the second and third function. His name means literally “contract” and he ruled over the social order, unified all classes, and represented the asha, “Order.” He was the decider of the outcome of battle (a second-function activity) and the one who dealt out fate, luck, and fertility. He decided the fate of humans after death. Mithra was also the god of the nighttime sky (the stars were his all-seeing eyes) and the daytime sky (where the sun was his visible representative). The Zoroastrian reform saw Mithra reenvisioned in entirely abstract terms, but he never lost his personality in western Iran, and even in the east his personal aspects reasserted themselves over time. >I: Ahura (Mazda) whose name means “Lord (of Wisdom)” was the god of the vault of heaven, which contains all elements within its space. He was called vouru-chashâni, “far-seeing.” The stars were said to be his scouts and the sun his eye. He is the priest (âthravan) of the gods, and he wrapped himself in the cloak of the nighttime sky. Knowledge comes to him through vision and reconnaissance. >II: Vayu is the wind god. He is the ideal warrior. He is also the death god who takes the souls of the dead. There is an inherent polarity in Vayu—there is a good Vayu and a bad Vayu. The wind is the atmosphere set into dynamic movement, the airy space as the driving force of the world. He connects heaven and earth. The wind was seen as the origin of all things; later Vayu was put at the head of the litany of all the gods. Thus, he was a god of beginnings. Vayu is partnered with another wind god, Vâta, whose name shares the same Indo-European root as does the name of the Germanic high god Wōðanaz (Woden, Odin). >II: Verethraghna is the dragon slayer, the overcomer of obstacles. Zoroaster fully demonized Indra but accepted the heroic function of this Indra-like figure. >It should be noted here that in the study of the Indo-Iranian pantheon and heroic literature, it was discovered that there was a definite bifurcation in the second function. One aspect was “chivalric” and a master of the well-considered art of war (Verethraghna) while the other was ecstatic and filled with raging vitality (Vayu). Going to really enjoy this'n
Cont. From >>2728 >III: Anâhitâ is the great goddess of the Iranians. She is usually associated with rivers and water. Her name means “the unsullied” (see Yasht 5). She is accompanied by the twins (Nâ haiθyas) called Haurvatât (perfection or health) and Ameretât (immortality). The former rules the waters, and the latter rules the plants. >Finally there is Âtar (“fire”), which is seen as a concluding god and a “son” of Ahura Mazda. Fire is a manifestation of the mind of god. >In general the gods are called ahuras (lords). The Avestan word ahura is cognate to Sanskrit asura, which was later demonized in India. These terms are also related to the Germanic word *ansuz, “a god.” Another old name for an archaic god was daeva, which the Iranians demonized but the Indians retained as a positive term for the divinities (devi). >The awareness of this archaic level of Iranian myth gives depth and richness to our understanding of the philosophical level of the Magian tradition. It also makes it clear that Zarathustra’s reform was more a reinterpretation of the tradition rather than an overthrow of it.
>>2729 >In general the gods are called ahuras (lords). The Avestan word ahura is cognate to Sanskrit asura, which was later demonized in India. These terms are also related to the Germanic word *ansuz, “a god.” Another old name for an archaic god was daeva, which the Iranians demonized but the Indians retained as a positive term for the divinities (devi). That's interesting. I had previously read somewhere that the word 'asura' was built off a word 'sura' prefixed with 'a-', as in 'arya' versus 'anarya' (non-Aryan), or 'dharma' versus 'adharma', but looking at Wiktionary's etymology section it appears that's just a later back-formation from, just like the book says, *ansuz. Somewhat off topic but apparently the name Oscar derives from a compound of *ansuz and with an archaic English word for spear, meaning "god's spear" while Oswald means "god's power'. That gives me a new appreciation for those names tbh and I'd never have thought that they could be related to the word 'asura'. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/ansuz What I'm really curious about though is why the devas / daevas became demonized in Persia while it was the asuras down in the Subcontinent. Do your books shed any light on this? Based on the excerpts you posted it seems like a very informative book.
>>2733 Asuras/Ahuras and Devas/Daevas having a role reversal is due to the ideological split, from Vedic (and this intensifies under Dravidian influence) nature divinity to abstract consciousness/spiritual divinity. Like how in Gnosticism the serpent becomes the Christ-symbol and the Demiurge becomes the Satan-symbol. NOW, I have heard similar semantic arguments for Daeva having a different root than Deva, but like the Ahura/Asura thing, I feel that's a reverse-engineered explanation. HOWEVER, I am just starting the book. When I get to this particular subject, I will certainly post Flowers' opinion. (He is indeed highly regarded, his book Futhark -- as Edred Thorsson-- is gold standard to this day)
long live dis bread >>2726 Because it's a Christian deformation of the deamon, moved from pagan spirit to evil entity because of its heathenness. So demonic/niac shocks me to some extent. I want something that is just plain vedic/pagan, that's all. Even Debroy could have kept asura and gone for "asuran" or "asuric" as an adjective.. >3rd translation That one sounds horrible, it's like someone read the Quran and lo and behold, that shit sounded nice so let's roll the Gita through my Muslimlator program.
>>2728 >Mithra was also the god of the nighttime sky (the stars were his all-seeing eyes) and the daytime sky (where the sun was his visible representative). Beautiful. >Vayu is partnered with another wind god, Vâta, whose name shares the same Indo-European root as does the name of the Germanic high god Wōðanaz (Woden, Odin). There was even a Votan in Meso-America at some point but is there any solid source on this link regarding Vata and Wodanaz? >>II: Verethraghna is the dragon slayer, the overcomer of obstacles. Zoroaster fully demonized Indra but accepted the heroic function of this Indra-like figure. Because Indra was ruthless? Was this getting too emo? >III: Anâhitâ I can already hear Evola lamenting the immortality being managed by a watery goddess. Where my Uranian-Solar civ at? >In general the gods are called ahuras (lords). The Avestan word ahura is cognate to Sanskrit asura, which was later demonized in India. Later? I'm having my chronologies twisted here for by far I'd consider the Vedic material and its shitskin asuras to predate the late Persian/Iranian lore. What went on there is absolutely baffling. Was there a political reason for such an inversion? >>2736 >Asuras/Ahuras and Devas/Daevas having a role reversal is due to the ideological split, from Vedic (and this intensifies under Dravidian influence) nature divinity to abstract consciousness/spiritual divinity. Like how in Gnosticism the serpent becomes the Christ-symbol and the Demiurge becomes the Satan-symbol. Which would then confirm a necessity to stick to the earlier material.
>>2738 >Which would then confirm a necessity to stick to the earlier material. 1. Didn't say I was converting. I've been a Vaishnava for a very long time. I have yet to see a better philosophical text than Srimad Bhagavatam, despite all my searching. 2. Just because kikes stole something doesn't mean it's theirs or that what they stole hasn't been warped by them. To be fair here, if we say that something being older makes it better by that virtue, then we should live in mud huts. I understand wanting an unpolluted tradition. We don't have that-- except consider this: The RigVeda is not necessarily the purest Indo-European text. We know it came from older oral Tradition. We don't know what was purely Aryan and what had been added by Dravidians when it was put into writing. The two sides of Indo-Iranian Aryans are twin brothers born of the fall of mohenjo daro. They are both splits from the source. One is a conscious reform, Zoroaster. The other tried to retain it's source but was influenced by Dravidians. The thing is, the Vaishnava Vedists are truer and you can tell by how much ideological and ontological that they share with Zoroastrianism. And there's really a lot. Tantra in general, Kaula school and Kashmir Shaivism are fully Dravidianized. That Jews lived under Persians and took their ideas (which is a fact) makes Zoroastrianism more resistant to outside influence, not more.
Further stuff on Avesta and Rig Veda being contemporaries: http://varnam.org/2007/01/avesta_and_rig_veda/
>>2738 >was there a political reason? From link above: >At the time of composition of the Vedas, Varuna was losing his importance to Indra. In Avesta, Ahura Mazda is the main divinity and some people think that he is the same as Varuna. Varuna sat with his spies who flew all around the world and bought back reports on the conduct of mortals. He abhorred sin and loathed evil deeds prompted by anger, drink and gambling. So the Zoroastrians were reacting to degeneracy. Sounds like /ourguys/
>>2719 Castes could be observed as a mere division of labor/social roles from the most mundane standpoint, but their sacred meaning lies in proper distribution according to dharmic principles, i.e everyone being "in his/hers place" >Not a single Christian does everything that is asked of them by Jesus to get the golden ticket I guess non-Jews don't have that amount of OCD to follow their religion to the letter. If we observe the history of Christianity, we can see a series of attempts of a white man to free himself from it. >>2733 >>2736 My guess is that there was a split (or a conflict of two civilizations, both being influenced by something older, perhaps one of lost Aryan civilizations), and that each side got gradually corrupted by Judaic or Dravidian influence, including both Zoroastrianism and Hinduism. To reconstruct the original, we might need to have a much more encompassing approach and cross-reference a lot of concepts/deities/symbols. >>2738 >Serpent https://www.ancient.eu/article/685/another-ariamanus-statue-found-the-evil-spirit-of-/ This article is fairly interesting despite drawing wrong conclusions >This could in some ways be corroborated by the symbolism of serpents in the Yazidi mystery cult prominent in northern Iraq and Armenia, as it is depicted on the walls of the sanctuary of Shaikh ‘Adi, but is never explicitly mentioned in Yazidi literature. Its function is probably most closely related to the older Gnostic understanding of the black snake as the Destructive-Creator functionary in the world. Yazidism is definitively another source to consider, especially Melek Taus, as it's not coincidental that they got persecuted and massacred so much by (((ISIS))) during it's expansion. Their role was also to loot and destroy many ancient sites. SS members sometimes wore armbands showing the two snakes (which was the actual, esoteric meaning behind the two Sig runes, although the two are equatable to a certain extent) NS symbols could help us in reconstructing the ancient Aryan religion as they definitively did do their research. 3rd Reich was an attempt of reviving the Indo-European (Aryan) glory to it's fullest. Shiva is the creator/destroyer, he also has the snake coiled around him, and is considered to be the lord of time. But a highly important distinction to be made is that these proto-Aryan deities represent INFINITE time, which is the basis for eternal recurrence and transmigration of the soul, linking it to Platonic and Pythagorean mystery schools. Infinity is also the "key to heaven" , while everything finite is consigned to remain in this world. Worship of Cronus (as a symbol of finite time that devours it's children) could be a corruption, or a genuine hyletic cult involving the Jews, Christians, Communists and other proto-semites, even their predecessors.
>>2742 >Cronus (as a symbol of finite time that devours it's children) Considering Kali (Black Time) and her Dravidian origin, this clicks. I was contemplating the Titans in Tartarus and the Hellenic war of the Gods in Hesiod's Theogeny. I think that the Titans are some kind of Anatolian survival. The Gods of Gobekli Tepe? I think that there is a real Trinity of Deep Antiquity: Austronesian/African/Dravidian vs Tengri/Shamanism vs Indo-European-- with the Mesoamericans as a kind of interesting foot note: Process Metaphysics brought out by Tengri (in the Athabascan Mongolian stock) meeting with P Cubensis, Mescaline and so on. See Maffie for more on that, enclosed
>>2742 >Yezidis Fascinating read, featuring Yezidi among other things https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=2D45A850590D2FF4FD4A0A360AC18E3B
>>2743 >Considering Kali (Black Time) and her Dravidian origin, this clicks Did you notice how the Jews, other animal-men and white candalas don't have the innate feeling of infinity but are always creatures entirely "in time"? The qualitative difference separating us from them could be explained by our souls being of infinite nature while theirs are finite (and thus entirely bound to this world), perishable, and ultimately, nothing more than a phantasm of Maya, defined entirely by the breath of Brahman, and possessing no free will of their own. I'm starting to think that the failure of the ancient religions (what candalas see as "progress") was mostly caused by "soul inflation" , which was in turn caused by the rising population (mostly nonwhite), and that they were not actually meant for the majority of new people in their true, esoteric form. When enough NPC's got spawned (a product of Kali Yuga, Jews as it's physical manifestation and descending cycle), those religions got gradually replaced by candala religions like the ones that we have today. Maybe the kikes, corruption, degeneracy, modernity etc. are just symptoms of a more complex underlying cause. As a kid I used to believe that most people don't actually have souls, but after a lot of searching and wandering, I'm coming back to the same conclusions. I'd only have to work out the mathematical basis for there being a certain ratio of unique souls to countless iterations of the "world soul" , or "sons" of the Demiurge/Brahman. A ratio of zero (Atman) to one (Brahman), hah. >I was contemplating the Titans in Tartarus and the Hellenic war of the Gods in Hesiod's Theogeny When cultures encounter an alien religion, three approaches are most common. a) Assimilation, where an alien religion is accepted for the most part b) Integration, where a culture tries to reconcile the elements of the native and alien one c) Rejection, leading to a "satanization" of the alien religion (this also works reversely after assimilation, like Christians did with heathen deities) For example, one nation might accept Islam to the letter, another might try to integrate it with the former religion (Like Yezidis). >I think that the Titans are some kind of Anatolian survival. The Gods of Gobekli Tepe? This is highly interesting, try finding some connections. >Austronesian/African/Dravidian vs Tengri/Shamanism vs Indo-European We need to purify and refine the Indo-European. It could also be something akin to Spengler's division of civilizations, but I'd say that Indo-European one is actually a perfect synthesis of the magian, faustian and apollonian. >>2745 I'd be skeptical of this guy as he seems to be vilifying NS Germany, but I'll definitively check out that book for traces of genuine information. Thanks.
>>2746 Levenda is a neolib for sure. I find his research is good, though, verifiable. His work The Hitler Legacy is a fine book that when read as a NatSoc inspires hope instead of the fear it's supposed to inspire. His trilogy Sinister Forces is still the very best CIA pedo-cult faction exposé there is. He covers things in volume 3 about the Finders Cult that are just now being released by FBI FOIA a month ago or so. Blew my mind. All his stuff is on Libgen thankfully. I mean, to me, understanding the enemy is very important. Isolation of the mind doesn't make it stronger, it makes one an intellectual bubble boy in the end. As for "npc", my opinion is that it's a dehumanization meme, which, like, I don't need to dehumanize Jews to be against them. It's just extra steps. Vedic literature makes clear that the soul is the same quality in whatever body it's in. Even a demon in hell. The mind of the body the soul is in is the thing that has greater or lesser quality. At one point, our souls have been trapped for a time in things worse than Jews. Jew is a temporary state, a vehicle. When Jews are eliminated the souls will be freed. What we should be doing is helping jews live vedically. They will fail, but in trying earnestly, some will be freed to be born into a more capable body next time.
>>2747 >Jew is a temporary state, a vehicle. When Jews are eliminated the souls will be freed. This. >What we should be doing is helping jews live vedically. They will fail, but in trying earnestly, some will be freed to be born into a more capable body next time. I get where you’re coming from, but I don’t think it’s worth even wasting time on Jews and trying to introduce the Vedic / Aryan ideals to them. We have several millennia worth of examples to show that the Jews are irredeemable. Everywhere they go they spread the antithesis of the eternal Truths we stand for. They are a race thoroughly “in Time”, and consciously so, some of them. They revel in it. They can’t help themselves. The only solution in the current year is to either stamp then all out or to render them completely unable to infiltrate and subvert somehow – which I have no idea how that would be done. If we just kick them out the endless game of hot potato that the goyim participate in will just keep on going and going. >As for "npc", my opinion is that it's a dehumanization meme, which, like, I don't need to dehumanize Jews to be against them. I see NPC as a modern term for hylics and chandala-like individuals, personally, but I get what you’re saying.
>>2749 Fair enough.
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(Original Magic cont.) >Zarathustra opposed the practice of sorcery and fashioned a true religion that could be valid for any and all peoples based on magical principles and rooted in his profound philosophical insight. Zarathustra probably lived as early as 1700 BCE. This date is supported by linguistic evidence, which shows that the age of the language in which he composed his songs, the Gathas, corresponds approximately to this era. As mentioned above, the Sanskrit Rig Veda, recorded in India, dates roughly from the same period. >Zarathustra was a priest of the archaic Iranian/Indo-European cult. Specifically, he was a zaotar responsible for the recitations of the verbal portions of the ritual of sacrifice. The culture in which he lived was a pastoral one, probably located somewhere in the vicinity of the Aral Sea in Central Asia. There, the aggressive and violent warrior society was demanding excessive animal sacrifices in an effort to assure their continued riches and victory over their enemies. Zarathustra was revolted by these practices and the abuses of the warrior class. In a moment of spiritual crisis he gained a flash of insight in which a revolutionary new way of thinking was revealed to him. He saw that the gods and goddesses were erroneously and superstitiously seen as humanoid or anthropomorphic entities whereas in fact there was only one true divinity or godhead, which was pure abstract consciousness. This he called Ahura Mazda, the Lord Wisdom. The gods of old were reenvisioned under the influence of his insight (daêna) into abstract principles. This was the birth of true philosophy. Zarathustra founded a group of initiates who learned his songs by heart and passed them on in this oral tradition verbatim for centuries. This is the so-called Mazmaga, the “Great Fellowship.” The fact that such an institution exists is proved by the fact that the texts, which reflect an archaic level of language from the middle of the second millennium BCE, were not written down until about two thousand years later—and the old forms of the language were preserved intact without the aid of the written word. >Zarathustra was able to convert a king of the eastern Iranian realm, Vishtaspa, and the prophet’s lineage of students continued to reveal his teachings for the next several hundred years. This lineage was the beginning of the Mazmaga. >Zarathustra, who had been a trained professional priest, radically reformed the pantheon of the ancient Iranians. Through his insight he was able to see the philosophical basis of the gods and goddesses of the Indo-European pantheon. The main insight of his vision was that the only true and absolute godhead is Ahura Mazda—Lord Wisdom, or “pure focused consciousness.” This is an entity, which is pure light, unity, and goodness, beyond other forms of duality. This being is devoid of any anthropomorphic character, and the name itself suggests androgyny: ahura is masculine, while mazda is feminine. >The earliest phase of Zarathustra’s theology was more radically monotheistic than the later phases that would develop, or redevelop. Because the system of Zarathustra was designed to be open to the evolution of ideas, however, the later “rehabilitation” of the old gods and goddesses is not at odds with the original principles of Zarathustra. The individual gods and goddesses were seen as being either beneficial to humanity and the world, or they were detrimental to these inherently good things. The beneficial gods of antiquity were seen as pure abstract emanations of Ahura Mazda in a system that was closely modeled on the Indo-European tripartite functional structure. These good entities, created by Mazda, were called yazatas (“those worthy of worship”), and the disadvantageous ones were called daevas. As the system evolved, many of the old Iranian gods and goddesses found their way back into the final Zarathustran “pantheon” as yazatas.
(Original Magic cont.) FLOWERS NAMES THE JEW EDITION >One of the most striking aspects of Mazdan theology is that there is no strict distinction between spirit and matter. Some yazatas are purely abstract principles, while others are of the material universe. The only thing that matters is whether the principle is beneficial or detrimental to the well-being of the Seven Creations: Sky (Air), Water, Earth, Plants, Animals, Man, and Fire. The Creations themselves are also considered to be yazatas. In the case of Man it is the divine portion of the individual, the fravashi, that is worthy of worship once it has been developed (initiated). >In Zarathustran theology, Ahura Mazda is seen as the godhead, the creator, and is characterized as pure being. From this entity, Ahura Mazda, emanations emerge in a process of creativity. Each of the emanations is full of divine energy and is not necessarily any less divine than the previous emanation. Material beings, however, are relatively weaker than purely spiritual entities in the struggle to resist the daevic forces of ignorance, weakness, and sickness. >Among the so-called Abrahamic religions, there always seems to be a great division between magic and religion. They are conceived of as being in stark contrast to one another. Scholars of the history of religion have long since discarded this model. It appears to be something that was emphasized by the priests and mullahs of these religions to prevent individuals from engaging in operative theology. In fact, as we have discussed earlier, there is a difference between sorcery and magic. In a sense, original magic is merely the work of operative theology undertaken by individuals for the sake of their own personal development and to maximize their opportunities for well-being, success, and wisdom—in short, happiness.
>>2739 >1. Didn't say I was converting. I've been a Vaishnava for a very long time. I have yet to see a better philosophical text than Srimad Bhagavatam, despite all my searching. Will look into that. >2. Just because kikes stole something doesn't mean it's theirs or that what they stole hasn't been warped by them. I agree, that's essentially my position too: they steal and desecrate, even if by the simple fact of making theirs something which could simply be theirs to begin with. >To be fair here, if we say that something being older makes it better by that virtue, then we should live in mud huts. It's a deformation of my point. I go with older material when there is a clear risk of infection, and usually it's easily related to blood degeneracy, miscegenation. Take the Edda, scaldic poetry and the Icelandic sagas. They're quite fresh timewise, but far more based on clean than any Christian book. (I won't engage in a debate on the age of oral traditions which got compiled into the books or inspired the tales and poetry.) >The RigVeda is not necessarily the purest Indo-European text. We know it came from older oral Tradition. We don't know what was purely Aryan and what had been added by Dravidians when it was put into writing. Sure enough, but it's been assembled soon enough after the invasion, and the clearly racial elements are to me a good sign that we have little to fear about the RV in terms of Southern influence. Obviously the younger the Vedic material, the greater the risk. >That Jews lived under Persians and took their ideas (which is a fact) makes Zoroastrianism more resistant to outside influence, not more. Less is more but more is less to a lesser extent in comparison to more content. >>2741 >So the Zoroastrians were reacting to degeneracy. Sounds like /ourguys/ Islam has it too. Don't rush to conclusions. Both worlds were in contact and the RV relates to a period of conquest against the black skinned ones. The division and inversion between both regarding the use of certain terms is really hard to rationalize.
>>2754 >by the simple fact of making theirs something which could NOT be theirs to begin with. (homebrew edit)
>>2754 Did you read any of the excerpts above? The Rig Veda and the Avesta are contemporary, and reasons for surface inversion are there. And it's very surface. The philosophy itself agrees. As for Islam, I don't know what that has to do with anything. It didn't even exist yet. I don't understand your problem with Zoroastrianism at all. By your own standards it should be more appealing than Vedism. Srimad Bhagavatam btw is same as Bhagavata Purana. A translation is posted above. I want to reiterate that I don't understand what it is that's causing you to feel yucky about Zoroastrianism. None of your assertions make sense in context of what has been discussed itt. I want to understand.
>>2747 >What we should be doing is helping jews You got it wrong pal. Learn to control your compassion. Apply self-discipline or you'll become a Christian who wants to help the whole world.
>>2757 Helping Jews The Arjuna Way
(Original Magic cont.) >As we have seen, the mythology of the Zarathustrans structurally reflects that of the Indo-Europeans, albeit reformed and reinterpreted in light of philosophical and magical insight. Compared, for example, to the mythology of the ancient Greeks, the Zarathustran mythology that has been left to us may seem rather sparse and lacking in narrative tales. But does this situation reflect a shortcoming or an advancement? The gods of the Greeks acted with all the foibles of humanity and reflected rather poor examples for humans to follow. This is why the historical record of the Greeks, contrary to the schoolboy image of them, is actually rather barbaric. Zarathustran mythology, on the other hand, reads like a thinly disguised philosophical treatise—which it is. >Rather than a quasi-human drama filled with stories of anger, jealousy, and violence, Zarathustran mythology is concerned with the abstract interactions of moral, philosophical, and scientific principles. These beneficial principles interact with one another and are in constant conflict with detrimental forces, according to a paradigm of increasing individual and collective perfection. The mythology is important to practicing magicians, because it allows us to understand the character of the afflictions against which we struggle and the pathways to the possibilities of our perfection and the aiding of the environment in a powerful way. this triggers the 4/pol/ goons
I wanted to say that the idea that Vedas are less influenced by foreigners than Avesta is deeply incorrect. Avesta (written form) is from 1800bc, contemporary with RigVeda. But the Dravidians were already in India at that time. The Jews weren't introduced to Zoroastrians until after 600bc when Cyrus took Babylon, where Jews were slaves. So you have things like Ramayana being more than likely 30kyo with Ravana as a Dravidian king. But in Persia they don't know what the fuck a kike IS.
>This original world order was perfect and happy. All of the created emanations of Ahura Mazda functioned as they were designed to function. There the cosmic tree; the cosmic human, Gayomart; and the cosmic ox all lived in a perfect state. (ibid.) Yggdrasil, Ymir, Auðumbla Meru (or Kalpa Vriksha Tree), Purusha, Kāmadhenu [ARYA INTENSIFIES]
>>2747 >I mean, to me, understanding the enemy is very important In a different context, yes. I have no issues reading works written by Jews to gain a better understanding of their "mind" (runtime script). In fact, I'd encourage Anons who have time and nerves to study the Talmud, because it's their maintenance manual and might as well contain the "switch" for turning them off, so to speak. Or, it could be reversely-engineered if you know and understand the blueprint of the golem. But in this thread we are trying to recover our most ancient religion and metaphysical system, the one that they've been trying to erase, corrupt and co-opt for countless centuries, if not thousands of years, reaching even before the recorded history. >Vedic literature makes clear that the soul is the same quality in whatever body it's in I can't blame you for adopting that fallacy/corruption, you have a lot to learn after all. You've only been reading the most widely accessible texts which caused you to assume the universalist, Brahmic mindset. I was in your position once as well, before I learned (rediscovered) the Atman. Will you, that depends on your essential nature/substance. It's not an either/or situation, both are true depending on your essence. Some have the golden thread, many don't. >As for "npc", my opinion is that it's a dehumanization meme For those who believe in "humanity" and other slave morality concepts. I don't. >At one point, our souls have been trapped for a time in things worse than Jews. Yes, but that does not mean that Jews have a soul. Sure, -some- of them could have it, but as a whole, they are just a bunch of souless automata with no free will or the Self. In fact, even a nigger is more likely to have a soul than a Jew, despite that soul being the one of a very lowly and disgusting animal. >When Jews are eliminated the souls will be freed They are the entropy materialized, the very anti-thesis of the soul. While they were created by design (of a very sinister super-intelligence), the program which they run on is universal and is based on the "design flaw" of this universe. I think something like a Jew can only exist in Kali Yuga, at least in full capacity. From a standpoint of the truly enlightened mind, they are not even real, as they have no substance, no qualia. They are entirely a product of Maya, in it's worst forms, and will cease to exist completely between the breaths (universes) of Brahman (Demiurge). They don't even believe in souls/afterlife/reincarnation, because deep down they know what they are made of. >What we should be doing is helping jews live vedically Yeah, that surely worked the previous 10 times. Enlightenment movement was a mistake. Out of naivety of it's white propagators, and by design of it's Talmudic infiltrators. >>2749 >or to render them completely unable to infiltrate and subvert somehow By creating a society that's as close to perfection/dharma as possible. They would gradually disappear then because they would have nothing to feed on. Taking everyone unworthy with them, thus helping us cleanse our societies of the defectives and degenerates. Their role could even be productive to a certain extent. Everything rotten would stick to them like to a soap, and get flushed together. They have filtered the lowest gutter, the most vicious candala trash of our societies to be at the top (rather than bottom where they belong according to dharma), but it's a filtration nonetheless! And perspective does not have to change the meaning, if you get what I mean ;)
>>2762 I request your source verses for any of this please I don't find any of this jew-obsession to be useful in any way. Kill all the jews. Okay fine, no one is arguing against that. I'd like to see where you got all this bizarre speculation about ensoulment. I'd like to know why it's so important to you that killing jews should be prosecuted under auspices of them being soulless. I have the guts to say that even if they have souls they need to be eradicated. The Gita is about a just civil war. I think it's braver to kill ensouled beings than automata. But please, do show me scriptural backup for all this unnecessary bullshit.
>>2752 Was Flowers a Freemason? What's written there seems to be equally nauseatingly pathetic as what they usually peddle, but Zoroastrianism could indeed be one of the seeds of (((monotheism))) , universalism and crypto-Marxism. This Judaic co-opting could explain it's conflict with the more essentialist Vedas (even if interpreted in a corrupt manner by Dravidians later on). It's interesting to note however, that snakes are seen as "evil" . Kikes really fear the snek. Despite Zoroastrianism pretty much being the crypto-Judaism (and the basis for modern reform Judaism), they decided to keep their tribal deity and traditions, as esoteric practice at the very least. But they made sure that we part ways with ours. "Judaic" influences definitively predate what's commonly known as contemporary "Jews" and "Judaism" >Zarathustra was revolted by these practices and the abuses of the warrior class And thus the ancient SJW was born. >whereas in fact there was only one true divinity or godhead, which was pure abstract consciousness Also known as Brahman >This is an entity, which is pure light, unity, and goodness, beyond other forms of duality Monism, which is the philosophical underpinning of universalism. The number one. >>2753 >One of the most striking aspects of Mazdan theology is that there is no strict distinction between spirit and matter Brahmanism, or the belief that we are all different manifestations of the Same, god experiencing itself etc. While we do share the same medium with all the living and non-living things, we are neither "one" with the medium, nor are our emanating sources the same. Learning this distinction could as well save you from total dissolution, which is coincidentally, also the endgame of globohomo. >emanations emerge in a process of creativity Freemasonry in a nutshell >>2759 >the mythology of the Zarathustrans structurally reflects that of the Indo-Europeans, albeit (((reformed and reinterpreted))) Fix'd >The gods of the Greeks acted with all the foibles of humanity and reflected rather poor examples for humans to follow Why would the gods act any different, except with higher capacity/power/wisdom? Here we once again encounter the idea that humanity is "flawed" , "sinful" etc. >This is why the historical record of the Greeks, contrary to the schoolboy image of them, is actually rather barbaric Oy gevalt!
>>2754 >Will look into that. You can find a good translation on libgen.is by the guy we've been talking about ITT, Bibek Debroy. I'd post all three volumes here but they're EPUBs.Just search "debroy bhagavata" and they'll pop up. Prabhupad has a ten volume edition with commentary as well which can be found here: https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/ I haven't read it yet either but I just ordered the first volume as a physical copy since I can't stand reading hundreds of pages on my computer screen (it's something like 25 to 30 times longer than the Gita with 18,000 verses). From the sections I've read and some of the lectures I've watched by people like Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya I can't wait to dig into honestly. >>2739 >I've been a Vaishnava for a very long time. How did you become a Vaishnava? Do you practice in real life? If so is it worth looking into this stuff in real life? Btw, I am enjoying your excerpts from the book on Zoroastrianism even though I may not respond to every post (sometimes I find things interesting but don't really have any good comments to add), so don't think you're wasting your time or anything. >>2763 >I'd like to see where you got all this bizarre speculation about ensoulment It's from Miguel Serrano. To him Jews were the "robots" or "automata" of "Brahmā-Yahweh" / the Demiurge. I haven't read the book Adolf Hitler: The Ultimate Avatar so I can't provide much more insight than that for you unfortunately. From Wikipedia: <The latter is under the jurisdiction of the Demiurge, an inferior godlet whose realm is the physical planet earth. The Demiurge had created a bestial imitation of humanity in the form of proto-human "robots" like Neanderthal Man, and intentionally consigned his creatures to an endless cycle of involuntary reincarnation on the earthly plane to no higher purpose. The Hyperboreans recoiled in horror from this entrapment within the Demiurge's cycles. They themselves take the devayana, the Way of the Gods, at death and return to the earth (as Bodhisattvas) only if they are willing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Serrano#Ideas
>>2765 Still not seeing any kind of backing for this bullshit you pulled out of your colon, buddy. >Everything that contradicts Evola/Guenon/Serrano is (((kiked))) Haha ok kid. It's okay to believe this shit if it makes you feel better about hating Jews. I don't personally need to make shit up and distort aryan truth to justify anti-Semitism. It's simply not required. You need special help to justify yourself, fine. Whatever makes you feel strong, sunshine.
>>2766 >How did you become a Vaishnava? Do you practice in real life? My dad converted after reading the Bhagavad Gita in the 70s. He however didn't find currently existing Hinduism to be aligned with the texts. For instance, just violence and eating meat (except red meat) is all scripturally allowed. I was given the choice to pursue many materials of various religions and even was allowed to choose atheism. I chose my father's faith after having compared the texts to everything from heathenry to taoism to Scientology. As for practice, I chant three rounds per day of Mahamantra and three of Ram Nam. I read vedic materials and live according to the teachings. Which is why I am here trying to make materials available to others. I think itt there's a deep misunderstanding of the difference between soul and mind. Mind is part of the body, as opposed to true consciousness of the soul. That's why animals, plants and even suns have souls animating them. They achieve the karma they are capable of and either ascend or descend the ladder of forms. This is not pluralism or process Metaphysics as accused itt. Read Whitehead or Aztec Philosophy by Maffie to understand that philosophy. Please, please realize Serrano was a Crowleyite and full of shit. Guenon is better than either Evola or Serrano, but even he was a hardcore Advaita Shaiva, which is a weird school.
>>2768 >Serrano was a Crowleyite ? >Guenon is better than either Evola or Serrano ? >Advaita Shaiva is a weird school ? Admittedly I could look this one up but I don't understand how it would be a weird school.
>>2769 >don't won't*
>>2765 >Despite Zoroastrianism pretty much being the crypto-Judaism If anything Judaism is pseudo-Zoroastrianism with centuries of Jewish tradition tacked onto the initial influences. Zoroaster merely issued in a restructuring of the original Vedic religion of Persia and introduced the notions of Judgement Day, heaven and hell, the Saoshyant (which become the Abrahamic idea of the Messiah) and many other things. The Jews and their spiritual Semite slaves are completely unoriginal. >Why would the gods act any different, except with higher capacity/power/wisdom? Here we once again encounter the idea that humanity is "flawed" , "sinful" etc. Actually if we read Cicero's The Nature of the Gods many of the participants in Cicero's fictional dialogue (all of them educated men) hold feelings of revulsion at how the common folk portrayed the gods as having human failings and proclivities (I can provide pictures from my book if anyone wishes). They call it "sacrilegious" and "superstitious" that people would believe such things are befitting of the gods. Many of the exoteric Greek and Roman stories surrounding the gods serve as anything but paragons of virtue if interpreted literally. These people didn't have a concept of "sin" though. Humanity isn't irreparably flawed or sinful, but they can easily be lacking in virtuous qualities or are living in ignorance.
>>2769 Honestly I think I'm just wasting everyone's time here. Read what you like and have fun. Glad you can make use of the Debroy books at least. Guenon is one of the best right wing scholars of hinduism in the west. He is however a monist and an impersonalist. Advaita is a weird school because of that. What is taught in SB is called Qualified Non-Dualism. If you read from the two traditions you'll learn what I mean. At this point if you are saying Serrano had access to a better translation of the texts I'd love to see them. I'm just going to stop posting on this board for the foreseeable because my opinion is obviously not valued or respected and I'm not going to force the issue. Thanks for talking with me :)
>>2772 >At this point if you are saying Serrano had access to a better translation of the texts I'd love to see them. I'm just going to stop posting on this board for the foreseeable because my opinion is obviously not valued or respected and I'm not going to force the issue. I have no idea what you are talking about and would like to know more. >passive aggressive nonsense OK, anon.
>>2763 Read the Upanishads. I might decide to interpret certain verses one day to shed more light on it, but today is not that day. Live in ignorance should you choose so (provided you have a choice in the first place). >I'd like to see where you got all this bizarre speculation about ensoulment To see the Vedic scriptures in a proper context, you need to be acquainted with a lot of other religions, ideas, philosophies, scientific and metaphysical concepts. But ultimately, it all comes down to numbers. Upanishads clearly state that understanding the (true) nature of Om and Brahman is the real goal, and that pretty much everything else is irrelevant if taken out of that context. However, understanding the true nature of Brahman (as inferior to Atman) and Brahmanism might be two entirely different things ... >The Gita is about a just civil war. This sentence alone shows your limited understanding. It has a lot of metaphysical implications. >I think it's braver to kill ensouled beings than automata By doing so you are acting in a karmically negative way. No two cows are different in essence, hence why killing one does not incur negative karma. Killing an unique, infinite being (or a race having a potential to actualize them), does. >But please, do show me scriptural backup for all this unnecessary bullshit. You seem to lack the bravery to form your own opinion though. >>2767 I don't actually hate the Jews, no more than I hate a flea, flu virus or bad weather. Coming to realization that they are souless robots helps one to stop falling prey to their "empathy" (mimicry of souled creatures that can have genuine sympathy for each other) and stop being consumed by anger/hatred (which should be reserved for souled creatures that have freedom of choice and will). Rather, it makes one approach the Jewish question in a cold, detached, calculated manner, like a scientist finding a cure for a deadly disease. >and distort aryan truth to justify anti-Semitism Are you saying that the Aryan truth and semitism are not originally opposed and antithetical to each other? >>2772 How about you try addressing the points and forming the counter-arguments? If you can't make your own points based on the literature that you've read, then you did not truly understand it. Either way, a healthy debate rather than acting all triggered would help everyone develop a higher understanding.
>>2772 >I'm just going to stop posting on this board for the foreseeable because my opinion is obviously not valued or respected and I'm not going to force the issue. Don’t leave anon, I enjoy getting some insight from an actual practioner. Your posts have been appreciated >>2768 >Please, please realize Serrano was a Crowleyite and full of shit. I definitely have some questions about how he reached the conclusions that he did and whether he actually believes everything he’s saying. I read an interview with him that sounded like complete schizophrenic babble to me: http://www.renegadetribune.com/1994-interview-with-miguel-serrano/ What are your problems with Evola? I admittedly haven’t gotten to into him yet beyond reading parts of Revolt Against the Modern World and Metaphyisics of War since I stopped and thought it would be better for me long-term to get into Guénon first (I recently picked up a copy of his Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines Also since you are a practicing Vaishnava, I assume you interact with at least some other practioners. Since I assume you’re white does that lead to any weird interactions? Do they accept that? I could see accusations of “cultural appropriation” flying about, especially since I’ve read stuff on 8kun about even white Muslims getting shit.
>>2749 >The only solution in the current year is to either stamp then all out or to render them completely unable to infiltrate and subvert somehow – which I have no idea how that would be done. Obviously the solution can only be worldwide, on the same basis that the Jews want their own worldwide model to dominate all peoples. We approach a conclusion to this long story and one can say soon will come a major event that will decide between the world being Jewish or being Aryan. >>2752 >Zarathustra, his mind It also looks like he was operating in a vacuum, as if no valid initiatory order operated anywhere close to where he lived. Or was his "illumination" the result of an actual encounter with such a member of an antedeluvian secret society? >This is an entity, which is pure light, unity, and goodness, beyond other forms of duality. Yet implies a duality with Light-Darkness. >inherently good things. Goodness is relative. Inherent goodness leads to the God of Love of the New Testament.
>>2758 One arrow at a time. ;-)
>>2759 Good material, but again I would simply integrate it to a philosophy that goes beyond Good and Evil, with no such thing as Goodness. I don't see Darkness as a bad thing per se, however striving to attain Lighthood (hope you understand this) is what is to be willed.
>>2756 >The Rig Veda and the Avesta are contemporary, and reasons for surface inversion are there. And it's very surface. The philosophy itself agrees. >Did you read any of the excerpts above? Yes and I didn't see any explanation of the inversion, just a contemporary date of creation (roughly) for both the Avesta and Rig Veda. Finding erroneous that Gods would be anthropomorphized is one thing, a thing Zoroaster was ought to correct, ok. The idea is quite good in itself and might have pleased C. Jung himself. But the racially charged elements of the Rig Veda are already relying on terms with a meaning opposite to what was given to cognate ones in Avestic material. The earlier split from the culture prevalent around the Mohenjo Daro doesn't explain anything about this inversion. Let's consider the geographical elements. India and Persia were relatively close to each other and obviously located on major trade routes. With Persia on the path towards the rest of the Levant, I find it hard to believe that no exchange, merchant at least but likely cultural and religious too, wouldn't happen. Ideas would disseminate and be exchanged or opposed. We have two cases of terms that share the same root and are almost identical, but have literally opposite meanings. We're not dealing isolated ethnic and spritual cultures. The inversion happened for some specific reasons, not mere fluke to me, and I see politics at play, more precisely politics based on morals, all the like influenced by the mindset of the people developing the ideas and later on putting them on paper. These people's world views would reflect their instincts to some extent, therefore race would play a role in this. The prime Vedic material does not seem to involve the clear cut odd duality and has racially aware content. One can throw the accusation of a Dravidian influence but I don't see how it applies for such early texts, especially since such an influence and corruption could only come later on since the dominating Aryan people who brought the old precepts were absolutely racially aware to the point of laudating the principle of war and large scale murder on pointing out the racial difference. Such texts would not do the illogical thing of both describing the dark skinned defeated plebe as their enemies and yet let them have any say on what would end being written in a social and religious book. The Rig Veda absolutely asserts the domination of the Aryan lords over the defeated brown masses of the South. Integration of Dravidian ideas occured much later, starting most likely in late Vedic scripture and then all the corpus of early Hindu spirituality. See for one the Gods becoming Gods of color, integrating a notion of diversity, perhaps to lower the antagonizing aspects of the Rig Veda, for example. Yet since the overall Hindu society couldn't readily cast away the earli Vedic material, it had to come up with a way to both accepet the earlier destruction and yet the capacity ot rise to higher levels of humanity, notably through progressively whiter incarnations. 1/3
On the other hand, the influence of non-Aryan elements in Zoroastrian material is more likely, if only because it grew in a region that was one of great transit and closer to where Jews and Arabs dwelled. The Levant has been for a long time already a place brewing mixed races. So there are some reasons to nurture doubts about the purity of the Zoroastrian philosophy as much as the purity of the blood of its thinkers. Finally, to quote varnam.org: >In their book In Search of the Cradle of Civilization Georg Fuerstein, Subhash Kak and David Frawley dismiss the dates suggested by Thapar, A. L. Basham and Max Muller. According to them, the Rig Veda mentions the river Saraswati which disappeared in 1900 BCE and so it has to be at least eight centuries older than the Max Muller’s arbitrary date of 1200 BC. Vedic literature is considered older than Avestan literature by 500 – 1000 years though the dating of both is speculative. Some historians and etymologists dismiss the Saraswati river as a good indicator, consider it more mythical, but it's a dangerous choice. For example, we have greater reasons today to believe that in very ancient times, a long river crossed the Sahara from east to west. Nevertheless, it's nothing definitive and the Avesta, if dated back to around 1800 BC, would be about as old, give or take a few centuries. But that alone might be more important than we think. >I don't understand your problem with Zoroastrianism at all. By your own standards it should be more appealing than Vedism. >I want to reiterate that I don't understand what it is that's causing you to feel yucky about Zoroastrianism. None of your assertions make sense in context of what has been discussed itt. I want to understand. I hope that what I wrote above would clarify my position. >As for Islam, I don't know what that has to do with anything. It didn't even exist yet. It has nothing to do with the date but the logic of your claim. Islam has the same advice against degeneracy, yet would you argue that Islam is an okay religion for us? No, so it proves that reaction against degeneracy alone does not make an ideal religion. >Srimad Bhagavatam btw is same as Bhagavata Purana. A translation is posted above. I know. I have merely not found enough time to study this Purana. 2/3
Regarding the anthropomorphization (a point brought up, which Zoroaster worked on and which I would agree with), it might have more to do with a lingering knowledge, barely palatable, that the Gods in question were divinized a long time ago. Similar debates go on for the Aesir and Vanir gor example. There might have been literally the seed of some anti-pagan thought model here too, albeit latent (would serrve as the basis of Abrhamism for next centuries up to -500 BC and beyond), and it's not really surprising then that at first it was very monotheistic. The real debate with illuminated paganism is whether one or several attributes can have their own distinct entities attached to them. Or more precisely, if certain entities, perhaps nourished by our thoughts, can be "ambassadors" of certain attributes that belong to the Godhead, therefore acting as mediators helping us to interact with those quite distant attributes since they're divine, pure and quite theoretical, whilst we live in a solid reality where these attributes need to find a way towards a praxis and a mean to interact with energy and matter (which are the same, there is nothing such as "pure energy" that would exist separated from matter). Then in return, sometimes, these Gods can acquire enough "substance" to literally take over a human seed (to be born) or an living being (in a sort of possession or activation of latent potential) and turn this human individual into an avatara. Even through Christianity we observe the need by the masses to anthropomorphize the God, a fact openly mocked by Atheists. Only the esoteric and deeply philosophical understanding of the same religion's content rejects such a childish approach. But the masses are childish, feminine and inert so few religions could be immune to such degenerescence. A future religion would need to cover this and in a way that's what Esoteric Hitlerism argues about. Not to say we need to agree on the details, but the core idea is there, it is interesting. In my opinion, the little explanation I provided above establishes a pattern that's both easy to understand for the masses, something they can easily relate to and build egregores for, to generate the manifestation of avataras/messiahs, and usable by the highly educated discrete priests of the inner circle—not even the more numerous exoteric ones—who can can share the same religion with the White people, only with the added ability of understanding the occult mechanics and rules that support Creation (sacred geometry, mathematics, vibrations, thought patterns, etc.). 3/3
>>2760 The Dravidians were defeated and their description in early scripture left no doubt that they were considered absolute filth. A contamination would happen only later, after centuries of rule over a domesticated brown mass. That is, Whites usually falling for the same errors, making friends with members of the lower castes, secretly sticking their dicks in impure flesh, etc. The solid caste system was to prevent this but please, let's be honest, a certain amount of hypocrisy must have been more and more prevalent. >So you have things like Ramayana being more than likely 30kyo with Ravana as a Dravidian king. But in Persia they don't know what the fuck a kike IS. Please clarify this.
>>2761 >cosmic human =? You think it relates to Ymir? If the tree is cosmic, then maybe one should remember that Asker and Embla were made out of wood. I would have to look into a possible link between Auðumbla and (Auð)Embla, if anything like that exists.
>>2762 I don't know what you base your opinions on, and more sources would be quite appreciated, but Orthodox and Esoteric Judaism totally have a concept of soul/afterlife/reincarnation. Even the broader Judaism already has the sheol which is somehow similar to Hades, for starters. Studying the Talmud, that's damn risky and should only be left to wise elders, at best. It's a massive opus on economics and stupid regulations. With little spirituality, they create plenty of rules for anything meaningless so as to create the illusion of a greater order and doctrine, of a greater institution. 613 mitzvot ffs! It's self-deceit, smoke and mirror, appeal to quantity and authority out of said quantity. They drown themselves into a deluge of minute laws and see a castle wherein each one of those laws is a brick. It's over-engineered, they see a work of greatness in this complex miasma. I also don't think you can switch off a parasite. You can only kill it or starve it. That is all there is to do.
>>2765 Again, more substance behind these claims? Take this one for example: >Brahmanism, or the belief that we are all different manifestations of the Same, god experiencing itself etc. While we do share the same medium with all the living and non-living things, we are neither "one" with the medium, nor are our emanating sources the same. Learning this distinction could as well save you from total dissolution, which is coincidentally, also the endgame of globohomo. The total and infinite God contains all, so yes by definition everything belongs to it, we are all parts of it. Otherwise it would mean something does not belong to this infinite thing, thus this infinite one is actually incomplete. >>emanations emerge in a process of creativity >Freemasonry in a nutshell Excuse me? --- I agree with your other points. But it would be a denial to notice that Greek spirituality was on its last leg.
>>2766 >Wiki summary >Demiurge pwns Urf I find it seriously tiring. This planet is a beautiful creation, this universe so well ordered. If anything, the Demiruge should be identified as a tyrant who took control over most of Earth. He would be a usurper and the Aryans' duty is to kick his arse and free Urf.
>>2768 >Mind is part of the body, as opposed to true consciousness of the soul. Contrast this with the Egyptians' complex view on souls and metempsychosis. >Please, please realize Serrano was a Crowleyite and full of shit. Sauce? >Guenon is better than either Evola or Serrano, but even he was a hardcore Advaita Shaiva, which is a weird school. Boy no, Evola is a clear improvement upon Guenon, yet was not perfect. Guenon is good for an increase of one's overall knowlege, but it absolutely stops there. His attempt at bridging Islam and Hinduism is a philosophical miscegenation that mirrors what he accomplished himself when he married his second wife, a sandnigger, and got children with her. His works are very instructive and even useful to some degree against other forms of quackery, but the man was so wrong on the "final solution" to the Aryans' issues.
>>2774 >You seem to lack the bravery to form your own opinion though. You might some fine points (or not), but when asked for sources, it might be more constructive to actually provide some basis, source + quotations and commentaries, than just insulting people about their bravery. Just saying.
Of course nothing proves that Serrano's Maestro, nor the order he belonged to, were absolutely right on everything; ex. biological soulless robots, although that makes for a good book's plot.
>S N A K E S - C H A N S Reminder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votan >In his account, Bishop Núñez de Vega also states that Votan belonged to the royal lineage of "Cham" (probably "chan" or snake) and that he established a kingdom called "Na Chan" (Snake House) on the Usumacinta River that eventually extended across Chiapas and Soconusco to the Pacific Coast. Additional information can be found in a 1786 publication by Antonio del Río that cites the same sources as Clavigero and speculates at length on Votan's identity and travels to the Old World. Gnostics brought the secret cult of serpents in Scandinavia. You can see them on the hofs' roofs.
>>2768 >Mind is part of the body, as opposed to true consciousness of the soul. That's why animals, plants and even suns have souls animating them Let me try to clarify this a bit, or at least my position. Firstly, everything is mind. A mind is a frequency signal (living mathematics), and everything in existence, including all forms of matter, is formed by those (which is contemporary physics at this point). This is what was referred to as the "breath (oscillation) of Brahman" in the scriptures. In that sense, everything has a "soul" of varying quality, as even the most fixed "dead" objects are animated to a certain extent (their frequencies are just much lower and signals less complex). The universe as we know it, is actually a superimposition (super-wave) of these frequencies/signals. It starts with an explosion of high frequencies and ends with heat death, after fully expending the energy carried by the signals, caused by the entropy. Now, most of these countless signals (and their interactions giving rise to new signals) have the same emanating point. This is Brahman, the "one" , where all the signals revert to after termination in the dimensional universe (death, destruction/transformation) or at the end of the universe itself. And after which they emerge again in a new cycle, as more of the same. Those souls could be conscious or unconscious, reaching various degrees of quality, complexity, or awareness. What Brahmanists refer to as the "true consciousness of the soul" is a realization that one is an indivisible part of the mind of Brahman and that as such, he co-creates the universe to a lesser or greater degree. From this stems the idea than one should do everything to make his environment a better place (regardless of it being ruthlessly exploited by a parasitic species), uplift subhumans and so on. The superimposition and interference of the signals is seen as the natural law/order. Ego is denied, individual Will seen as "evil". This is where all the faggotry about "universal love" , "compassion" etc. comes from. Visible sun, as the great source of such energy/life, is revered. However, all of it is finite, and only a limited, inferior copy of the infinite Forms/archetypes. Anything that is a finite product of an inferior source, is not capable of perceiving anything higher by nature. For them, it doesn't exist in the most literal sense. However, what if this emanating source is not the only one, or, if it's an impostor? Godel's incompleteness theorems, as well as the existence of zero and infinity point towards such a conclusion. This leads to the knowledge of Atman, the ultimate Self, and the inner/hidden sun (Black sun). While the two might share the same medium (frequency space, this planet/universe specifically) and the same principles (mathematics) to manifest, they might not necessarily have the same origin and destination. Think of the tree whose trump exists on earth, but whose roots and branches extend to infinity, and the one standing right next to it whose don't. When observed with physical senses, they will look identically and have an identical utility. Despite being of an entirely different substance/essence. This is the fundamental difference between the hyletics and pneumatics (pneuma - breath, indicating their individual Brahman-like qualities, not as co-creators (and subjects/slaves), but as potential gods/universes of their own) Polytheism implies this by acknowledging the existence of more than one god. Monotheism does not. This is why I see Zoroastrianism (and dualistic morality) as a corruption. Ordinary soul is a finite, derived process fully subject to it's defining factors (in a rather deterministic sense) and final termination while "spirit" or the higher soul is an infinite, self-propagated and non-deterministic process, to any extent possible within the system. Do I need to explain why kikes would find the former much more convenient than the latter?
>>2791 To further elaborate, you must understand the nature of Brahman before you can understand the nature of Atman (if you have the innate capacity for it). And that they are not entirely opposed or mutually exclusive, but a sort of tension/struggle that helps resolve the contradictions and bring some sense into the existence. This is why most people unfamiliar with Illuminism (the Greco-Egyptian, not the modern one) struggle with Serrano so much, with the exception of those intuitive enough to recognize it on a sublime level right away. >>2771 Gods represent archetypes, qualities, values and virtues, or the logical conclusions of such. And their iconography often portrays them as codifying those qualities, whether it was a conscious decision or not. While it's ridiculous to perceive them in a literal sense (as commoners of the time did), it's also erroneous to completely separate them from human qualities and vices (and thus mark them as non-relateable, the logical conclusion of which being the entirely alien and unreachable Abrahamic "god"). As above, so below. There is also a difference between god as an archetype/principle, and a physical manifestation of that archetype (avatar). Gods, as individual manifestations, are just the ascended, perfected, superhumans wielding great powers and being possessed by the archetype. They are not a priori without vices, but manage to control, overcome and master them over time (or succumb to them, with grave consequences), which is what their stories are actually teaching us. To think that something is not "befitting" of a god is self denial. Gods become more virtuous as a consequence of their elevated nature and due to not having many reasons to act otherwise except for fun. My position is that proper morals/dharma are inherent and that golden age people adhere to them out of pure will without any external pressure or moral codes. The degeneracy that we witness today is a result of confusion, deterioration, corruption and sickness caused by external factors. But also consider this, if gods did not possess the capacity for human proclivities, how could they judge the mortals? How could they destroy the rotten and restore the dharma without turning into an even worse demons than those that they are fighting against? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajrakilaya >>2776 >and one can say soon will come a major event that will decide between the world being Jewish or being Aryan Just a feeling or you are referring to something specific? >>2781 This guy gets it >>2784 > but Orthodox and Esoteric Judaism totally have a concept of soul/afterlife/reincarnation They don't seem to truly believe in it, they focus almost entirely on living "in time". If by Esoteric Judaism you mean Kabbalah, they took that from Indo-Europeans, Goths to be more specific. Sure, exceptionally rare ones might be interested in something less mundane, but their souls are not Jewish. They are either those who got born as one out of choice (for whatever reason), or the remnants of Aryan blood devoured by YHWH struggling to free itself. >It's a massive opus on economics and stupid regulations So is the modern socio-economical system. I hope you see where I'm getting at. Excellent description by the way, it can also pretty much sum their character in general. >It's over-engineered, they see a work of greatness in this complex miasma It would be a shame if someone untangled it ... >I also don't think you can switch off a parasite Maybe you can initiate a self-destruct sequence, disable it's destructive subroutines or gain control of it.
>The ritual system of Zarathustra was a radically reformed version of the ancient Indo-European ceremonial sacrifice. As a trained professional priest of this cult, Zarathustra was aware of the powers of the formulaic procedures and the use of language to move the levers of reality. The ritual format was greatly reduced in complexity to retain only the essential parts so that it could be used with maximal efficiency. The rituals did not require huge numbers of priests. They could be performed with only one or two priests even in remote and isolated regions of the mountains, for example. This simplicity and efficiency is of great value to us today, because the prophet has already refined the ritual mechanics to leave us only with the essentials. As time went on in the Zoroastrian religion, rituals did become more complex, which is a natural outcome in the evolution of religions over time. But the current magician strives to concentrate on the more simple forms of the ritual format to maximize effects. >One of the key aspects of Mazdan ritual was its mastery of the technology of the ceremonial based on many levels of meaning and symbolism as well as the technical understanding of how the ritual works by means of the channeling of forces of an electromagnetic nature. This is clearest in how the elements of (electric) fire and (magnetic) liquid are caused to interact with each other to render the desired effects. >The ultimate purpose of ritual is individual enlightenment and perfection, the protection and cultivation of the the Seven Creations, and the destruction of the Lie. If these aims are met, happiness will ensue.
>Essential to the creation myth is the idea that at first the realms of Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu, the realms of light and darkness, were entirely separated by a great void (Phl. tuhîgih). Ahura Mazda, as the sentient being, was aware of the existence of Angra Mainyu, but as the manifestation of ignorance, Angra Mainyu was unaware of the realm of light until he actually saw it. Angra Mainyu’s reaction to this encounter was to go on the attack. John R. Hinnells summarizes what followed. >Ahura Mazda offered Angra Mainyu peace if he would only praise the Good Creation. But Angra Mainyu, judging others by himself, believed that an offer of peace could only be made from a position of weakness, so he rejected the offer and sought to destroy what he saw. Ahura Mazda knew that if the battle were to last forever, Angra Mainyu could, indeed, keep his threat, and suggested a fixed period for the battle. Angra Mainyu, being slow-witted, agreed and thereby ensured his own downfall. The point behind this idea seems to be that if evil is allowed to operate quietly, steadily and unobtrusively it can disrupt and destroy, but once it is drawn out into the open, engaged in battle and shown for what it is, it cannot succeed.1 >At this point Ahura Mazda recited the sacred formula of the Ahunvar, and the effect of this manthra hurled Anga Mainyu into a state of inert stupefaction for three thousand years. It was at this point that Ahura Mazda began to create the Seven Creations and thus give material shape to the cosmos. Ahura Mazda is both the mother and father of the universe. As its mother, Ahura Mazda conceives the spiritual prototypes (menog); as the father, he gives these spiritual prototypes material shape (getig). All of this was done as a way to preemptively counterattack the coming onslaught by Angra Mainyu, which, Ahura Mazda knew, would follow. This original world order was perfect and happy. All of the created emanations of Ahura Mazda functioned as they were designed to function. There the cosmic tree; the cosmic human, Gayomart; and the cosmic ox all lived in a perfect state.
>As Ahura Mazda had foreseen, Angra Mainyu began to make a counterattack against the good creation after the appointed time had lapsed. This occurred under the influence of the female arch-daeva, Jahi or Jeh, dwelling in the darkness. Although other daevas had tried to rouse Angra Mainyu from his slumber with vows of how they would help him engender sickness and unhappiness in the world, nothing worked. Angra Mainyu, who is envisioned to be in the form of a serpent, continued to be in a stupor, but Jahi awakened him with a kiss on his head and promised to help him in his efforts to poison the environment and destroy life everywhere (GBund. IV, 19ff). At noon on Nowruz (New Year), Angra Mainyu entered into the world through a hole in the sky in the form of a serpent and tried to drag the sky down to the earth and break it; he polluted the water below the earth and poisoned the cosmic tree, which began to wither; he let loose greed, disease, hunger, illness, lethargy, and all sorts of destructive patterns on the body of the cosmic cow and man. The cow became sick and died; the man took thirty years to die. The seeds of the cosmic plant, cow, and man were, however, saved for future redevelopment. Angra Mainyu even mixed bad elements into the fire, and thus there was a transformation into duality, opposition, and combat in the world as there was a mingling of the high and low (GBund. XIV, 1–38; IBund. XV, 1–26). >From the purified seed of the cosmic plant, all sorts of plants were made manifest; from the purified seed of the cow, all sorts of animals were evolved; and from the seed of the cosmic man, Gayomart, purified by the light of the sun, two-thirds of this seed were guarded above, while one-third was entrusted to the earth. After forty years a one-stemmed rivas plant with fifteen leaves grew, and from this plant emerged the first man and woman. Ahura Mazda caused the light to enter their souls, breath went into them, and Ahura Mazda spoke to them: “You are the seed of man, you are the parents of the world.” The Wise Lord then imparts the essence of wisdom: “think good thoughts, speak good words, and do good things.” The last thing said was: “Do not worship the daevas.” This last injunction was given because Ahura Mazda knew that Angra Mainyu would try to entice humanity into believing a program of lies: that the daevas created them, that they were bad, that they were mortal, and so on. And this is what happened; Angra Mainyu rushed in to their minds and made them believe that the forces of coercion, anger, and fear had created them and all the world. This is the great Lie (druj).
>One of the most powerful and meaningful myths in the Mazdan tradition relating to the character of humanity and the purpose of our work here in the world is contained in the Bundahishn (II.10–11). It relates how Ahura Mazda gives the fravashis of men a choice between fighting for the good and Ahura Mazda in the battle against Angra Mainyu and be assured of a final paradise and life eternal, or to have to fight evil forever and eventually die. The mythic text reads: >10. Ahura Mazda deliberated with the consciousness [bôd] and guardian spirits [ fravashis] of men, and the omniscient wisdom, brought forward among men, spoke thus: “Which seems to you the more advantageous, when I shall present you to the world? That you shall contend in bodily form with the fiend [druj], and the fiend shall perish, and in the end I shall have you prepared again perfect and immortal, and in the end give you back to the world, and you will be wholly immortal, undecaying and undisturbed; or that it be always necessary to provide you protection from the destroyer?” >11. Thereupon, the fravashis of men became of the same opinion with the omniscient wisdom about going to the world, on account of the evil that comes upon them, in the world, from the fiend [druj] Angra Mainyu, and their becoming, at last, again unpersecuted by the adversary, perfect and immortal, in the future existence, for ever and everlasting.2 >This is the Mazdan answer to the same question posed in the myth of Adam and Eve in the Book of Genesis in Hebrew mythology: Adam is given the choice to obey the commands of God or rebel. The choice of Adam and Eve condemns humanity for all time as damnable sinners; whereas the choice made by the spirit of Mankind in the Mazdan tradition ensures the ultimate salvation of all individual human beings. This myth and its understanding are important to the practicing magician, because it emphasizes the good nature of human beings. If your image of yourself, in your very core, is one of wisdom, strength, and health, you will be closer to happiness than if you think of yourself as a “damned sinner.” It is ironic that the Hebrew myth of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Paradise is actually based on an Iranian model, but that model was twisted to indicate something contrary to the original meaning. >For purposes of individual self-transformation today, it is of paramount importance to realize the truth that humanity is a good creation and remains as good as the day we were created but that we are subject to being polluted by the Lie. This pollution is responsible for all our unhappiness, sickness, and poverty. >Although humanity has been polluted by the Lie, each man and woman is armed with the fravashi and all of the other good faculties bestowed by the Wise Lord. By making use of these faculties, each human can fight back against the Lie and thus through training and initiation into wisdom make him- or herself a magavan (person of power) and an âthravan (person of truth). This is the aim of magic individually and of daêna (religion) collectively.
>Because time was created by Ahura Mazda, everything that has a beginning will eventually come to an end. Living beings, individuals, and the whole world itself will go through cycles of birth, life, and death. When they do, certain mythic paradigms will ensue. When the individual human being dies, the soul and fravashi are separated from the body. The body is seen as dead and inert, as it has been separated from life. For three nights the soul remains close to the body and contemplates its past life. The first night, it dwells upon its past words; on the second night, upon its past thoughts; and on the third night, upon its past actions. The soul desires reunification with its body and is subject to attacks by evil forces. Rituals are performed by the living, as well as by the soul of the dead person, so as to protect the soul from being deceived by lies and trickery. Then the soul ascends to the upper dimensions of the earthly sphere where it approaches the Chinvat Bridge. This bridge forms the link between our immediate cosmic environment and the supernal realm. It is at this bridge that the soul is judged: if the thoughts, words, and deeds of the individual are weighed and judged to be more good than bad, the bridge becomes wide and the soul passes easily. The yazatas present at this judgment are Mithra, Rashnu, and Sraosha, who actually assess the soul; daêna, the embodiment of one’s deeds and one’s conscience; along with a group of dogs, who ward off evil. If the soul is judged to be more bad than good, the bridge becomes razor thin and the soul falls into a hellish realm to be purified. It must be remembered that these are myths, poetic presentations of processes, which could otherwise be presented in more technical or scientific terms. >One extremely important thing to keep in mind is that because all humans were initially created as good beings, it is the will of the Wise Lord that all of them will be “saved”—made immortal and perfect. However, those who have been judged to have committed more bad than good in their lives will be subjected to a protracted and painful ordeal of being immersed in a mass of molten metal. This is just a poetic way of saying that, as the pagan Stoics tell us in the West, there will be a future state of rewards and punishments. No good goes unrewarded, and no bad goes unpunished. The punishment is not carried out by any yazata or by any force of good; such things are just natural and unavoidable consequences of bad thoughts, words, and deeds. It is said in mythic terms that daevas are the patterns of negative consequences and that in fact certain yazatas intercede to be sure that no soul is treated in an excessively cruel way for any misdeeds. This ideology shares the same root as the Hindu doctrine of karma and the Germanic idea of ørlög. But in the end, all will be perfected.
>The logic of the ideas of the final bodily resurrection and the renovation of the whole world follows from the basic premise that the divinity is good and wise (knowing) and all-powerful with the help of the coworkers whom the deity created. If the soul is good and the body is equally good, then the ideal is a reunification of the body and soul in a perfect and immortal physical/spiritual form. The individual attains to the level that Ahura Mazda wants for him or her. The same is true of the cosmic order. >Just as the individual meets an end, so too will the whole cosmic order. The doctrine of Zarathustra introduced the idea of a final end to time, a final end to history—an end resulting in an ultimate perfection. >To perfect the world, Ahura Mazda created Time (Zurvan) so that certain Ages of Time could be segmented, and thus events could be more easily controlled and guided. An end-time was set by Ahura Mazda to limit the power of destruction and chaos, just as you might set certain goals and deadlines in life, or on a given day, so that things are accomplished in a timely manner. The goal is for consciousness to rule time, not for time to overwhelm consciousness. Eventually, the world will mature into a perfected state through a combination of the innate patterns established by the Creator, Ahura Mazda; the functions of the Amesha Spentas; the yazatas; and the efforts of the fravashis of humanity consciously working toward the perfection and permanence of the good world order. >An important and influential myth emerging from the Mazdan and Zarathushtran tradition is that of the advent of world-saviors. This myth holds that various human heroes have been born and will be born into this world who have helped, and who will help, guide Mankind toward the final perfection of the world, the Frashokereti, or “Making Wonderful.” They are called saoshyants, and there have been several of these in history, chief among them Zarathustra himself. In the final time of this cycle, the ultimate saoshyant will perform certain rites and accomplish certain things to complete the perfection of the world. Of course, the relationship of humanity to these saoshyants is not passive; Humankind is not supposed to merely await action to occur from above. The works and workings of individual human beings are actually necessary to invoke the change-making force. In other words, magic is necessary. >In the fulfillment of time, everything that has ever been created by Lord Wisdom will be remanifested in an immortal and perfect form, individuals and true nations will be reconstituted in their ideal forms. This is a testimony to the high regard the Mazdan tradition has for the world of matter and of the flesh. Humans will be immortal not only in spirit but also in body. The logic of this is that whatever Lord Wisdom created in the spirit and matter was originally perfect, and it is this state of perfection, spiritual and material, that it is logically destined to manifest. >These and other myths of the Mazdan tradition are alluded to throughout the commentaries on the texts of the manthras (spoken hymns) and sîrôzahs (spoken formulas), and it is best to discuss them in that context. The major myths about the world—its creation and shape, the nature of humanity, and the character of the struggle of the human spirit against the Lie—are essential to the practice and work of magic. >The worst thing that can befall human beings is that they believe the Lies: that they were created by a daeva, that they are mortal, and that the world is a bad place. These are some of the things that the daevas try to make man believe, when in fact the opposite is true. Learning the truth and coming to know it are among the most important aims of magic. This understanding does not come from faith alone but rather from the knowledge and experience of working with magic in a practical way. It is the Mazdan destiny of Mankind to be a co-creator with Ahura Mazda. For this to happen, individuals must learn to be effective magically.
SERRANOFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH, EXPOSED AS MUDSLIME FOLLOWERS ==>For those few souls who have been heavily inspired by the writings of Miguel Serrano a certain question may arise from the onset. What is this “Green Ray” after one goes through the “Black Sun“? I can remember wondering about this “Green Ray” the first time I read NOS – Book of the Resurrection and it struck a chord (or perhaps a cord) in me. I asked Serrano about it one day and was told to look into Sufi Mysticism. >So we will look into Iranian Sufi Mysticism (Sufi-Sophia – both common-connected Aryan words which translate as Wisdom). I will be quoting from Henry Corbin’s book “The Man of Light according to Iranian Sufism”. Sufism is an Initiatic mystery school of training. Going through various degrees of Initiation one goes through various colors of light (see below). There are seven colors of light just as there are seven chakras. It is significant here to know that the last two are “The Black Light” which is also called “the Light of Night” or “the Midnight Sun“. We call it the Black Sun. When blinded by this “Light of Night“, by this “Shimmering Darkness”, by this Midnight Sun, this “Blood-Memory”, one ultimately reaches the Green Ray of Light (the “Son of Man“, the “Astral Body“). >“We enter into another kind of Darkness called by the mystics the “Night of Light,” the “Luminous Blackness” or the “Black Light.” This other-worldly light is the light of the soul, the light of consciousness rising over the Darkness of the subconscious in which the divine Cloud of Unknowing gives birth to an interior burst of Initiatic light — the light of the “Midnight Sun.” https://jasonthompkins.wordpress.com/2015/02/17/from-the-black-sun-into-the-ray-of-green-light/
SERRANOFAGS CONFIRMED FOR LUCIFERIAN/CTHONIC DEMON WORSHIPPERS >Serrano is not the only one to see the Vril-Force as being a means to 'contact' other dimensions (the gods, etc.), for we have a statement from Kenneth Grant, successor to Aleister Crowley in the Ordo Templi Orientis (or one of them), who tells us that Crowley carried a talisman with the letters VHRIL (*) which he saw as an 'extra-terrestrial entity' (extra-dimensional would be a better term), and Grant states that this was a magical force set in motion by orgasm for the purpose of invoking beings from the Outside - the Elder Gods. So we have confirmation of this use from a source that Miguel Serrano would have seen as part of the Counter-Initiation. (It may be wise here to point out that Vril is a neutral force and that the use of Sexual Magic may well be part of invoking this force, but the use of perverted sexual magic may well harness this force for darker and more sinister purposes. This would also apply to contact with other levels of being.) https://inglinga.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-vril-force-and-irminsul.html?m=1
>>2799 >>2801 Kikes and judeomasons are really terrified of Serrano it seems. What shills who waste their time trying to LE DEBUNK him don't understand is that his works won't be understood by the great majority of people anyway and that they are only discouraging those. Just because every single belief system that they promote (such as Zoroastrianism) is meant to proselytize their universalist, monotheist cuckery among as much people as possible, they automatically assume that others are trying to "spread the message" and endanger their Talmudic/Noahide goals. Serrano does so, but not in a way that they think. They want you to be a good goy and feed them by being (((moral))) rather than seeking power and destroying them. Remember, whatever you do goy, never seek power, because it's antisemetic and evil and muslim demons, ok? >Clickbait red text Sup imkikey
>>2802 Your vato loco hermano Serrano has just been shown to be recommending Islamic mysticism of the RumiQuotes kind, you insufferable faggot. He's also happy to use the Kabbalah and quote fuckin' Genesis in his works. ABSOLUTELY (((HEBRAIC))) You don't know the first fuckin thing about Mazdayasna, and you can't even prove you've even read Serrano's Wikipedia, because you can't point to any part of his work that says even a single word against Mazdayasna. So here's your (you), you fucking hunchbrain facebook runegoon fan
>>2799 >>2801 >>2809 What if bad people mix truth with lies, say the sky is made of dirt and fire burns? Does the truth become invalidated? Wiser people do recognize that even deplorable religions—which are vehicles to ideas and practices—do contain truths nevertheless. It would require quite some talent in lying to be able to create a religion only made of untruth. Like the holohoax, for example. It's quite an achievement, bad at that. Or 9/11. You think like a petulant child, sorry.
This thread was so comfy, what happened?
>>2799 >>2809 >muslim demons n shit goy You understand that you don't have to agree with everything an author writes right? Or were you just too fucking dumb to realize that. >>2810 Exactly >>2802 Why someone would ever want to "debunk" something dealing with nonfact spiritual subjects like spiritualism, esotericism is beyond me. Seeing how this guy is having this massive spergout just makes it more interesting to look into what the guy actually wrote about.
>>2785 >The total and infinite God contains all, so yes by definition everything belongs to it, we are all parts of it Even if we disregard Godel's incompleteness theorem and certain not so mainstream definitions of infinity, it would be a superimposition of every configuration possible, giving such "god" no capacity of thought (how could he know which one is "right" or have any self-perception without differentiation?) and no room to act, making it rather redundant and paradoxical (a god who would be entirely mindless/unknowing and impotent). Also, everything = nothing. Therefore, I highly doubt the existence of such a god and consider this concept to be the ultimate trap of dissolution. >thus this infinite one is actually incomplete This would explain differentiation and movement. Also, there is nothing preventing multiple instances of infinity running simultaneously, being able to interact in a mutual framework, or not interact at all with each other. The "total God" represents framework/medium, while we (those who are infinite that is) have our source beyond it, which is the basis for Will/Selbst . This resolves the objectivity/subjectivity issue. TL;DR: Oneness is a lie, but that does not mean that we cannot have sympathy, quite the contrary. >>2788 I usually avoid referring to sources for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it's often a thinly veiled appeal to authority fallacy, secondly, I'm not here to lecture a bunch of children but to (hopefully) have a discussion with people who did their homework and thirdly, this place is full of books and references, which then cross reference other books and authors or at least identify their ideas. Not to mention that despite extreme censorship, search engines still can provide a lot of information if you know what you are looking for. As for the idea that some souls are of permanently different quality than the others, refer to certain schools of Gnosticism and related philosophy. >>2817 I think we all know (((what))) happened anon. >>2819 >nonfact subjects Not necessarily. Maybe not in a way that they are presented, but real nonetheless. But you need to learn a lot of subjects that mainstream (((education))) barely covers to understand how. Anyway, I'd always rather recommend Ben Klassen to people than Serrano. I wouldn't even involve the latter in the "reading material" of aspiring fascists/nat-socs as it's meant for the small, inner circle of select initiates. You won't lose much, ideologically and politically-wise by not reading his works. Unless you plan to hold those views in the next life too
>Serrano believed that Hitler survived the fall of Berlin through an underground passage to enter another world: >'Had the German submarines discovered at the North Pole or in John Dee's Greenland the exact point through which one penetrates, as through a black funnel, going to connect with the Other Pole, emerging in that paradisal land and sea that are no longer here, yet exist? An impregnable paradise, from which one can continue the war and win it--for when this war is lost, the other is won. The Golden Age, Ultimate Thule, Hyperborea, the other side of things; so easy and so difficult to attain. The inner earth, the Other Earth, the counter-earth, the astral earth, to which one passes as it were with a "click"; a bilocation, or trilocation of time.'
>Everyone is familiar with the words of Genesis 1:3, And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. But the ancient rabbis, who scrutinized the words of the Bible for every hidden mystery, wondered what light this was. After all, God did not create the sun, the moon, and the stars till the fourth day. So what was the light of the first day? In discussions scattered throughout rabbinic, kabbalistic, and hasidic literature, the rabbis consider this question. They search for clues about this mysterious light in every book of the Bible and find the clue they need in a prophecy of Isaiah. He speaks about what the world would be like in the messianic era: >Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of the seven days (Isa.30:26). >Here a biblical mystery is explicated right in the Bible: the light of the seven days— a clear reference to the primordial light—was seven times brighter than the sun. Drawing on Isaiah’s explanation, the rabbis conclude that the two lights—that of the first day and that of the fourth—are different. >The light of the first day is a primordial light, what is called the or ha-ganuz, or hidden light. This resolves the problem. But it also raises a whole series of new questions—What was the nature of that sacred light? Where did it come from, and where did it go? These questions have been debated among the rabbis for many centuries, and they arrive at a variety of explanations. Along the way, they wrestle with profound questions about God and the way in which God created the world. What is actually happening is that a Jewish myth is taking form, a very essential myth about the nature of the divine and the Mysteries of Creation. Let us consider some of the primary permutations of this myth, which are often contradictory. First of all, where did the light come from? Some say that God created it at the instant He said, “Let there be light” (Gen. 1:3). Oth- ers say it was the light of Paradise, seven times brighter than the sun, which God brought into this world at the time of Creation. For the first three days and nights, it shone undi- minished. Rabbi Samuel Eliezer Edels, known as the Maharsha, said of this light, “The light that God created on the first day was the most important element of all, and for its sake the world was created.” >Still others say that the light existed even before the Creation. When God said, “Let there be light,” light came forth from the place in the universe where the Temple in Jerusalem would one day be built. Surrounded by that light, God completed the creation of the world. How, then, did God bring the light into the world? >Some say that God wrapped Himself in a prayer shawl of light, and the light cast from that prayer shawl suffused the world. Others say that God draped the six days of Cre- ation around Himself like a gown and dazzled the universe with His glory. Then there are those who say that God took the light and stretched it like a garment, and the heavens continued to expand until God said, “Enough!” Still others say that the light was cast from the very countenance of God. And where did the light go? There is a rabbinic debate as to how long the primordial light shone and when it was hidden away for the righteous in the world to come. Some say it only lasted 36 hours. Some say that it only lasted until the creation of the sun, moon, and stars on the fourth day, while Rashi insists that it shone during the day for the entire week of the Creation. For those who believe it lasted till the expulsion from Eden, it was possible for Adam to see in that light to the ends of the universe. >The clue to the fate of the primordial light is found in a verse from the Book of Job: But now one does not see the light, it shines in the heavens (Job 37:21). This verse was drawn upon to explain that God removed the light from this world and put it in the Olam ha-Ba, the World to Come. There it is one of the rewards awaiting the righteous. Source: Tree Of Souls by a bunch of kikes.
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Serrano's Hidden World is extremely similar to Kenneth Grant's Roots Of Set and Mauve Zone, respectively the Underside of the Tree Of Life which gives access to the Anti-Matter Universe with Anti-Creation. The Mauve Zone being a realm associated with this anti-universe. This also connects to Serrano through UFOs as Ultraterrestrial vehicles. Which is what Parsons and Crowley discovered as the Lam entity in Thelema.
>Ba’al Shem Tov, founder of Hasidism, proposed that God had hid- den the primordial light in the Torah, and for those who immerse themselves in the study of the Torah, a ray of that light would shine forth, and past and future and time and space would open up for a moment, and they would experience the revelation of the hidden light, and see the world as God saw it when God said, “Let there be light.” Sure sounds like our hooknosed friends have a pretty well-developed sense of infinity, persistence, and consciousness to me.
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>>2832 >Source: Tree Of Souls by a bunch of kikes. Publication date: 2004 Thanks for the recommendation though, I'll try to find some of the many ideas that they have stole from us. >>2833 >People cannot hold tangentially similar ideas without being the same tfw you are trying to throw a pilpul but are too stupid to pay attention to the details
>>2840 >pilpul That word, it doesn't mean what you think it means >tangentially same but totally different So I'm the one "pilpul"-ing, but it's you who can't stand that Pepsi and Coke are both fuckin' cola. I'm not the one saying anything in this thread isn't good stuff. You still never have explained why you hate and fear Zoroastrians despite sharing their beliefs in every way. >B-but th-they're probably k-kikes though Except you seem to agree with kike beliefs when it suits you to. Broken clocks and so on. So you admit you have no actual argument at all except that you assume Zoroastrianism isn't explicitly racist like Vedism which I dispute. I also dispute the idea you have ever even heard of Zoroastrianism before this very thread. No is sure what you have a problem with, except Jews. And no one is arguing for Jews... Except yourself, indirectly. At this point you are defending Jews but deriding Zoroastrians who are fuckin Aryan. Who's jewing whom here?
Yet another source with Indian authors, sourcing other Indian texts directly advocating for the theory that “the fourfold division of society... seems to have developed out of the multiracial nature of Indian society.” Interestingly (and unfortunately) the one author draws the conclusions that the caste boundaries were never extremely firm, and we see more evidence of a leaky system when we read about the laws of intercaste marriages in the Laws of Manu which accepted men marrying downward into the lower, less white castes. People have an innate in-group preference but if one is ignorant of racial reality and does nothing to combat it degeneration is bound to set in. It’s interesting how the books I’ve read by European authors (like Gavin Flood’s) deny the racial origin of the caste system outright yet Indians affirm it (and rightly so, as the scientific evidence is on the side of both us and the pajeets). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC311057/ Apologies for the bad second pic, I don’t want to fuck up the spine so I don’t open it all the way, hence why it’s wavy-looking
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I've been interested in these ideas lately: https://liftingtheveilofforgetfulness.blogspot.com/ where the chakra system is a system of implants installed by ultraterrestrials to control us. Now, from a Vedic perspective this makes a certain sense: Tantra is Dravidian. So are the Tantric Yogas of Kundalini. In the Ramayana, Bhagavata Purana, Mahabharata and RigVeda, Chakras are mentioned and used-- as WEAPONS. Many psychotechnogical weapons are mentioned. But never do you see them as parts of people's bodies. I think the Asuras are Archons and they use the Chakra System as a means of control. The systems of yoga using Kundalini are simply activating a kind of spiritual dope that keeps them from action in the world.
>>2828 (observed glitch) >Oneness is a lie I don't think so. The issue rests in what is claimed from this Oneness. I would say that it is nothing new to claim the All One Total Something Whatever is pretty neutral. >The "total God" represents framework/medium, while we (those who are infinite that is) have our source beyond it, which is the basis for Will/Selbst It seems obvious you cannot be beyond the Total God, or you're talking about the totality of something that is only itself a part of the Total God. >I usually avoid referring to sources for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it's often a thinly veiled appeal to authority fallacy. What about your appeal to Godel then, almost meant as to impress and therefore convince people by sheer value of using intimidating words and claims in a discourse? You present quite the poorest excuse ever you could have used here since in general, it's pretty much expected to not feel retentive about one's sources after making claims precisely based on "knowledge" or "facts" posited by some people over history. >I'm not here to lecture a bunch of children but to (hopefully) have a discussion with people who did their homework Now a barely indirect ad-hominem. That's a second terrible dismissal for a source reqquest you use here. I'm starting to think you're not that serious at all. Perhaps one more dismissal away from entering "full of shit" zone. >thirdly, this place is full of books and references, which then cross reference other books and authors or at least identify their ideas. >read: we have /pdf/ so go download all of them books, then read them all and see you ten years later Third shitty excuse. Right, that's three strikes. You're a complete clown. I give you one last chance before I decide to filter your literacy garbage.
>>2831 >Serrano's fan fiction Lots of words thrown here to impress people whilst allowing him to evade criticism. Let's just ask, then, what is this inner Earth that's depicted with very real seas and lands? Other dimension? Why does it even have to be "inside" then, instead of just being Earth 2? Where are the portals? Etc. Already counting until serranoses start dropping any variant of "this is too complex for you" ITT.
>>2879 >no firm barriers between racial people Imagine a prince marrying a currynigger, producing a bastard offspring, heir to the fief. Repeat this on and on until all is diluted, tainted and finally lost. When will Aryans understand that NO means NO? Territorial and racial segregation are absolutely necessary and must be applied with the most extreme prejudice.
>>2884 >that (((tree))) >derivative of the chakra system Why use Jewish material? You have absolutely no idea at all how much of their twisted mindset has affected the material they stole and exploited. There could be high-level errors or traps which you couldn't see in this alluring system until it is too late. And why could only the Jews produce such a thing?
>>2879 >Buddhism The Buddha accepted, no, advocated for the Varnas. Anyway, there's been a push for awhile to shill the Vedic tradition as multicultural 'n sheet to rootless Middle Class Whites by the likes of Sam Harris (New Atheist Jew).
>>2890 I think it's about the way things are phrased. Instead of saying "we must hate and destroy everybody who are not us," we need to say that we respect the true diversity of the races/castes and to maintain said diversity, segregation must be ensued. If anything, the hate talk makes anyone with /pol/ opinions in general a kike Hollywood "nazi" who wants to kill anyone not White. Although I won't fail to mention that there are anons out there (and in here) who want a White Ethno-globe.
>>2893 I want white ethno-globe. This is childish and will never happen, of course, but what a world that would be.
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>>2892 >The Buddha accepted, no, advocated for the Varnas. Did he advocate for the varnas? The book is not wrong in saying what it said, but I thought that Buddhism didn't explicitly advocate for caste (while accepting it or not necessarily fighting against it). This would especially make sense since Buddhism, to an extent, is more individually-focused in its doctrines in regards to a person's conduct. It's certainly true though that any type of egalitarianism being injected into the doctrine is a distortion though. It's fundamentally elitist and that's undeniable. If you have a source in regards to this it would very much be appreciated. >>2894 >I want white ethno-globe If the Pentti Linkola option towards climate change and overpopulation is ever taken we might get one step closer. I too wish for ethnoglobe but if I am to pull my head out of fantasy land what >>2893 says here when he says that "we respect the true diversity of the races/castes and to maintain said diversity, segregation must be ensued." is in fact the most dharmic option (not to mention most palatable to people). We might have no qualms in utterly exterminating non-whites but it would be nearly impossible to accomplish easily IRL.
>>2894 >>2895 To be fair, even if it makes NatSocs look like villians, a White Ethno-globe makes sense. But the weird thing is that a few anons from 8/pol/ did admit that they use White Nationalism as a front for the true agenda of White Supremacy. However at the same time, /pol/ claims to be nationalistic. The confusion is there. Sage for offtopic..
>>2900 >But the weird thing is that a few anons from 8/pol/ did admit that they use White Nationalism as a front for the true agenda of White Supremacy. Personally I've always been a "white supremacist", but I'd never use the term. I think that white Aryan peoples are the crowning creation of Nature and that they should rule in their own countries and exercise power over lesser peoples. I focus on white nationalism because if we don't have our own nations we have nothing.
>>2903 >exercise power over lesser peoples By the standards that Kikewood potrays nazis? Can you give some examples on what you'd do as a supposed leader?
>>2906 Read Aristotle. There is nothing wrong with enslaving natural slaves.
>>2907 Sure, but enslaving to what extent?
>>2906 Hollywood portrays National Socialists and racialists as buffoons and degenerates who scapegoat poor innocent non-whites. I don't align myself with any of those stereotypes. Like many in this thread, I believe in a system of caste. This poster >>2907 gets it, there exist natural slaves just as much as there exist natural leaders in all societies. In every society in human history up until very recently slavery was accepted as part of the natural order of things, and even Hitler in Mein Kampf realizes the role of slavery in the construction of ancient civilizations (quoting from Stalag): <For the establishment of superior types of civilisation the members of inferior races formed one of the most essential prerequisites. They alone could supply the lack of mechanical means, without which no progress is possible <It is certain that the first stages of human civilisation were not based so much on the use of tame animals as on the employment of human beings who were members of an inferior race. <Only after subjugated races were employed as slaves was a similar fate allotted to animals, and not vice versa, as some people would have us believe <At first it was the conquered enemy who had to draw the plough and only afterwards did the ox and horse take his place. Nobody but puling pacifists can consider this fact a sign of human degradation <Such people fail to recognise that this evolution had to take place in order that man might reach that degree of civilisation which these apostles now exploit in an attempt to make the world pay attention to their rigmarole. <The progress of mankind may be compared to the process of ascending an infinite ladder. One does not reach the higher level without first having climbed the lower rungs. Until 1945 we were on the path towards global white Imperium. <Can you give some examples on what you'd do as a supposed leader? I'd put them to work in various tasks suited to their nature. I wouldn't educate them beyond what they'd need to know. They would be legally barred from carrying weapons. Health care would be kept at a minimum and many would be sterilized or controlled in their breeding, we don't need them outbreeding us or serving as any sort of risk to white civilization. They'd have some basic living standards, obviously. It wouldn't be cruel for the sake of cruelty. If one really thinks about it it wouldn't be much worse than the average life of a golem NPC today who slaves away for his whole life for some Jew.
>>2911 >It wouldn't be cruel for the sake of cruelty I guess that's fair. What advice would you give to a a non-White trying to cope all of the information? As in trying to grasp the redpills? >path towards global white Imperium If things went the way Hitler wanted to, 2 outcomes may surface. >majority of countries of the world (not all,realistically) would try to leave each other alone and live with their kind OR >Japan and Whites conquer the world
>>2912 >What advice would you give to a a non-White trying to cope all of the information? All non-whites should try to grasp the nature of the JQ as much as a white should. The Jews want to destroy us all and mix us together into one decadent racial potpourri. If I wasn't white I'd still be fighting for the culture I'd have and against the Jews. >2 outcomes may surface. Both sound pretty comfy
>>2864 >Pepsi and Coke are both fuckin' cola You are the one who is trying to say: "Organic apple juice and Coke both contain water, therefore they are the same thing" >You still never have explained why you hate and fear Zoroastrians despite sharing their beliefs in every way I did, but you conveniently ignored those posts. I don't hate Zoroastrians, and I do share many beliefs with them, however, in there I see a potential root of monotheism, concept of 'one god' , focal point theology/ethics, moral dichotomy (good vs evil), etc, and I find those to be a result of Judaic influences/corruption. The logical conclusion of which are ZOG and globohomo. You don't notice it because Zoroastrianism is, for the most part, Aryan, but I see that seed of disintegration that is to grow into what we have today, over the centuries to come. >Except you seem to agree with kike beliefs when it suits you to. There is no such thing as kike beliefs. First of all, they are incapable of creating anything (even the aforementioned influences are a result of their programming and tendencies), and secondly, they are also incapable of truly believing in something, for them it's more like a set of clothes, they either wear it for practical purposes, or as seasonal fashion. Besides, there is no copyright on truth. Aryans are, among other things, exceptional in the sense that it's the race who got closest to it over the course of history, which is one of primary reasons why they are targeted for corruption and extinction. That doesn't mean that a Jew cannot hold beliefs that contain truth to a lesser or greater degree. But those beliefs will mean nothing to him, because a Jew is an organic lie. They recognized power in certain ideas, and tried to keep those for themselves while selling their universalist poisons like Christianity or mainstream Buddhism to goyim, which is why I wouldn't entirely dismiss them.
>>2885 This is true, but it has nothing to do with physical implants. Look up the 8 circuit model of consciousness, it's not entirely related but could give you additional insights on how the mind works. >Many psychotechnogical weapons are mentioned Indeed. That's why I control my body from the crown chakra downwards. I'm practically "possessing" my own body, it's a good defensive mechanism when you have very powerful enemies. There are downsides though. >>2887 I have already explained how there is no God in Total. There is also no existence, since it would have no room to move, and existence is defined by movement/vibration. What exists beyond the framework is the impulse, the Will, the Selbst. And not all people have an unique one (and th, most are just mechanistic, deterministic manifestations of the same. Which explains their desire to "join god" and melt back into the source of their emanation. Also, monad can project itself inwardly and non-locally, it's not bound to any specific iteration of the framework. Whatever you perceive as the "Total God" could only be an impostor, a false god. We will have to kill the 'one god' if our race (potential) is to survive. > almost meant as to impress Not in the slightest, it's just a matter of convenience. >Third shitty excuse. I know that modern generations are conditioned with quick information and instant gratification, but you'll have to do your own homework. Otherwise, lurk on Instagram or something, I don't know which part of certain knowledge being meant for certain people did you not understand. > before I decide to filter your literacy garbage How tragic. Well, it looks like you already made your decision. >>2889 Your obsession with people being "impressed" only tells us that you are the one with an agenda here. For the semitic minded, there can only be one god with everything else being entirely subjected to it, including thoughts. Of course, with his chosen representatives as guarantors of this "covenant". Anything challenging this paradigm is seen as a threat. Unlike your candala religions, I don't have a need to "convert" people or proselytize, it works the other way around. >Why does it even have to be "inside" then Think of those holographic images that change based on the angle of view. Now, this angle does not necessarily need to be based on euclidean three-dimensional space. But again, for the robotic/deterministic iterations of the 'one soul' , for the phantoms of Brahman, it was never meant (or possible) to be found anyway. For them, it does not exist, in the most literal sense. It's not real. There is no bolshevization of this access.
>>2900 White Nationalism is a wise first step, perhaps, and a humble one, but if we ever reach the greatness we should be capable of, I think we Whites will absolutely stand above all other races in terms of beauty and quality. This alone might not give us an intellectual right to get rid of other races—although it needs to be reminded that Nature is all for it—but a certain form of supremacism will automatically exude from this future situation for the sheer sake of, hopefully, being so better, so superior. But this is reserved for those who absolutely attain to the fascist true Overman, the quintessence of being Aryan and White. To, summarize, White Supremacism is not helping us right now for all sorts of reasons, but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that demigodhood isn't what we shall strive to reach at some point in the future, here or elsewhere. Perhaps by virtue of all of this, the supremacism will belong to the noblest elites. Whether you think it would give you a right to spit on niggers is up to you.
>>2903 That too. I think White Supremacism is the end goal and ambition of greater White men and women. White Nationalism is absolute required minimum for our survival.
>>2907 >slaves 1. What race? 2. Non-Whites should NEVER be allowed on our lands. As for territories managed by Whites, strict rules should ALWAYS be followed to forbid miscegenation. The enslavement is not a necessity either. Many Whites are right about saying we should just mind our own business, take the lands we need, but stop helping other races. Now you may ask how enslaving people helps them. Yet, as Whites can't help but improve of anything and organize, all races that were subjugated were actually integrated to a better system. But we have absolutely NO OBLIGATION to help bug/mud people. We could even envision a case of even helping them should be considered a crime. For one, look at what happens in Africa, where we have given the dark apemen have free food and this only compounded on the demographic problem. Would you say, should we help these people, or encourage them, to become autonomous assuming they have that potential? Why? To make them stronger? Wouldn't that be totally stupid? Is that again this Aryan compassion turned disease?
>>2952 >end goal I think what >>2951 said is best. White Supremacism doesn't mean killing off all the other races, but WS just means to say that Whites are superior. In fact, the way I accepted the redpills was that NatSoc isn't some boogeyman murderous ideology but rather a naturally sensible one. Many White Nationalists I've observed (on Gab - unless that place is kiked) never had the intention of conquering the globe really.
>>2920 >I have already explained how there is no God in Total. You cannot make the difference a claim and truth. >There is also no existence, since it would have no room to move, and existence is defined by movement/vibration. You claim there is no existence then proceed to define it, which is contradictory in itself since how can you define the details of its working what does not exist? > What exists beyond the framework is the impulse, the Will, the Selbst. Will does not preclude the existence of a whole lot of other ensembles pertaining to reality. You are about to say all is fake save for the will. >NPCs They have a minimal will, of little value, they're chaff, but the frontier is not clear cut. There are ways to trigger something in some of them to kickstart the first move towards God. >Also, monad can project itself inwardly and non-locally, it's not bound to any specific iteration of the framework. Whatever you perceive as the "Total God" could only be an impostor, a false god. We will have to kill the 'one god' if our race (potential) is to survive. Long winded non-explanation that simply fails basic logic. Or maybe you think that by God, I refer to something which we could relate to one way or another? Like the Christians' super God? Which is nothing but. Nope. The true understanding of it is infinitely broader. >More shitty excuses for not citing at least one source. You're full of it, you know that?
>>2920 >Your obsession with people being "impressed" only tells us that you are the one with an agenda here. For the semitic minded, there can only be one god with everything else being entirely subjected to it, including thoughts. Of course, with his chosen representatives as guarantors of this "covenant". Anything challenging this paradigm is seen as a threat. Unlike your candala religions, I don't have a need to "convert" people or proselytize, it works the other way around. KEK! Soooooooooooooo missing the point. As I suspected, you're the one using the wrong definition of "God". >pretends to explain why it's inside >but fail with a terrible analogy Let me help you here. Holograms, no matter how you look at them, are in the same place. There is no inside or outside. >you 3D Euclidian bolshevik Sure, off you go to /sudpol/ or whatever names it is know by these days!
>>2953 >1. What race? Those of a slavish nature can be of any race. Think of the most brainless white people you know in your day-to-day life and there you have an example. Prisoners should also be used as slave labor. We hear kikes here in America cry about how we need immigrants to fill all sorts of jobs "no one wants to do" when our Constitution allows us to have legal slave labor in the prison population (which is one of the largest prison populations on the planet). It always makes normalfags squirm when I say it IRL but they have a hard time arguing against muh Constitution >But we have absolutely NO OBLIGATION to help bug/mud people. No disagreements here. If they are found to be useful however they can be put to use for the benefit of whites, though. Any benefits non-whites would get from enslavement would be simple byproducts of their condition of service, not unnecessary compassion. I think the solution that I support the most though is a reduction of the non-white population worldwide though. Sadly it is Western governments, philanthropic Christcucks and profit-seeking capitalists who have created the conditions for non-white nations to even develop in the first place through gifting them modern medicine and technology. Under a reawakened white race in control of its destiny once again we absolutely need to end all aid and trade to these nations at once. My perfect world would lead to most of the non-white world being turned into a massive nature reserve with little to no human population. >>2951 Good post. Agree 100%
What's the post limit around this place? 751 or much lower?
>>2977 Currently 751. This place has always been a bit slow and it is usually a handful of threads that remain active at any one time so I thought it’d be better to aim high.
Assuming that one of us miraculously liberated one of our countries from ZOG, how would you go about reviving paganism? Personally, unless there was a strong revival already present within the masses, I would certainly have no problems in promoting it "inorganically" through state power and propaganda while promoting virtuous men who embodied Aryan values to positions of leadership and public visibility because, to quote the Gita (3.21): <Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. Along with that I'd basically take the Third Reich route. Paganism was defined through its participation in ritual action and gatherings by the community, and to me the great gatherings of the Third Reich were certainly pagan in spirit. It's enough in my mind to start bringing back the values, symbolism and stories of old times in education for a small revival to begin. I wouldn't LARP it up to hard and try to blindly imitate the past, but I'd have the government do something like State Shinto where the native traditions were given renewed importance and were set as the spiritual basis for the government. The great leaders of the past of the nation could be integrated into the pagan ethos of society, considered as gods -- but this should not be thought of in an Abrahamic sense, it may even be interpreted symbolically. To use the example of Shinto again, the term kami is merely an honorific form and since all beings have spirits all beings can be called in a sense kami, or potential kami. In Sokyo Ono's book on Shinto he says that the kami are noble, sacred spirits deserving of adoration for their virtues and authority, It is clear here why Adolf Hitler may be seen as a god, or why the emperors of Rome were sometimes deified. Even for the atheistic who do not believe in the existence of spirits, such venerable men and women serve as wonderful examples of conduct and virtues. Unlike Abrahamic religions, belief in a literal sense is not always paramount.
>>2955 >You cannot make the difference a claim and truth. If you further extrapolate what I wrote, you reach a statement that a) There is no such thing as the one, unifying God , b) There is no totality (albeit I haven't reached a definite conclusion regarding that) >You claim there is no existence then proceed to define it I was defining existence, and how it would not be possible as totality/one god, ergo, the latter being non-existent >You are about to say all is fake save for the will No, but (unique) will is the only thing that matters. And yes, it precludes form. >They have a minimal will, of little value, they're chaff, but the frontier is not clear cut Where would you draw a line then? An ant could be said to have some will, a plant, hell, even a rock. >There are ways to trigger something in some of them to kickstart the first move towards God. Firstly, what reasoning do you have for trying that in the first place, secondly, how could they move towards God when they are already a part of it (and vice-versa), and thirdly, it implies that everything and everyone has some inherent value/potential. Which is simply not true and leads us to the most idiotic belief that all life is sacred. Which further leads to refugee feet kissing and globohomo. >that simply fails basic logic Which should be followed by an explanation how, no? >The true understanding of it is infinitely broader. I see, so you would move the goal posts infinitely, that way no one could prove you wrong, right? >As I suspected, you're the one using the wrong definition of "God" What is the right one according to you? >Holograms, no matter how you look at them, are in the same place Photons are non-local, there is no "place" to speak of. I see you are completely clueless so I'll give you a reference to look into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holonomic_brain_theory Anyway, I cannot stress enough how important it is to give up a "one god" delusion. Not only for the survival of our race, everything that's meaningful, but our very souls as well. For those who have them in the first place at least. The NPC will always strive to "join god" , seek unity with nothingness and self-annihilate. Because they are just finite projections with no free will of their own. They are just a more elaborate phantasms of Maya.
>>3082 >There is no such thing as the one, unifying God Redpill me on this. At the very least I have always understood the gods as merely different forms of one and the same ultimate principle, and this was by and large the same conclusion that the Vedic Aryans in time began to come to as many of the extremely similar deities began to coalesce into one another, losing their distinct identities and relevance all together. There is certainly a common power or divine principle immanent within all of the gods. Note though that I am in no way arguing for any universalist conception of religion, as what the Aryans have traditionally worshiped and believed is best fitted to our unique natures and has no reason to be spread or forced upon others since we do not believe in a jealous desert demon.
>>3091 Principles, not principle. Archetypes, Platonic forms, laws of nature, impulse of will, laws of mathematics (incl. sacred), metaphysics etc. do not equal one god or a closed system (totality). They can all exist independently (of some singular unifying force), in infinite iterations. They are eternal, preclude (and survive) the physical universe and often have cyclical manifestations. This is what our ancestors recognized. Together, they make the framework (the objective), which is necessary for the existence to make any sense, and for us to be able to communicate, recognize and reflect ourselves in each other (the subjective). But none of this implies totality, 'one god' unifying everything subjective, having a single source/emanating point, everything melting into it in the end etc. Just because we share the objective, does not mean that we also share the subjective. Subjectivity is not an illusion, separation, "infinite aspects/manifestations/thoughts of the same god" or anything similar. God does not have schizophrenia. There is not One, but Many (and None) Fully autonomous, to a greatest extent allowed by the universal framework, and subject to any configuration of it in time and space (one's position in it). >and this was by and large the same conclusion that the Vedic Aryans in time began to come to as many of the extremely similar deities began to coalesce into one another, losing their distinct identities and relevance all together And we know what happened, next, right? The acceptance of 'one god' marked the start of our corruption and slow extinction. This is the development 'in time' par excellence. Many gods marked differentiation, one god marks universalism. Centrifugal and centripetal forces. Rotation of the swastika. >There is certainly a common power or divine principle immanent within all of the gods Power based on divine principles, yes. There is also what I call "shared subjectivity" when several unique souls find themselves on the same path, reaching a sense of unity, synchronization and common purpose, but that does not deprive them of their individuality, in fact, it enhances it. We preserve it by becoming a part of something higher than ourselves, as that way something higher also becomes a part of us. And I refer to the gods, archetypes, races, ideologies, art-forms, virtues, etc. Not a dead god of oneness. Same goes for something lower than us, which is why racemixing with animal-men and degeneracy (of all kinds) never goes without consequences. Do you think that kikes are just after our physical destruction? >a jealous desert demon What he could not conquer with a sword, he conquered with a lie.
>>3041 That's a pragmatic approach, more efficient than forcing a religion down people's throats. The state would organize events with a clear spiritual layer, and would manage points of connection for participants to be encouraged into learning more about paganism and deism, notably by also providing quick to digest info like leaflets, by put ancient symbolism and aphorisms everywhere, small and big, and also by having book stores about everywhere too, at events, outside, etc. You don't force anything but you make it ubiquitous, irl and online too. You limit the attacks on other cults to a minimum insofar as to maintain a positive image to cheer people up. You mix redpills and whitepills with folklore and random cultural and historical trivia, etc.
>>3082 >If you further extrapolate what I wrote I understood what you wrote. It's always going back to the same claim. I'm looking for solid logic on your part. >existence You were saying that existence does not exist otherwise it would have no room to move. However poorly worded, this statement would only be true if totality = existence. But totality is more than that. It is a sum of two opposite, contradictory and mutually exclusive ideas that yet work together because God. >No, but (unique) will is the only thing that matters. And yes, it precludes form. You jump to conclusions and they don't even appear workable. You are fond of non sequiturs. How do you define that will precludes form when obviously we actually enjoy both? >Draw a line It's more like a curve actually. >Firstly, what reasoning do you have for trying that in the first place Unless you started with an exceptional spirit, it follows that we all began as much less impressive selves. > how could they move towards God when they are already a part of it (and vice-versa) Towards God within the context of spirituality, thus understanding of the whole project and God itself. >it implies that everything and everyone has some inherent value/potential. Correct. But potentials vary greatly. >Which is simply not true Why? > and leads us to the most idiotic belief that all life is sacred. No. Not necessarily sacred as people would understand it today, i.e., venerable and not to be shunned and disregarded; but all life has a thing to do, a purpose, a reason for being. It does not preclude life forms from being killed, eaten, etc. Niggers do their thing, Jews do their thing and we do our thing. We do not need to be one big happy family if that's what worries you. >Which should be followed by an explanation how, no? The explanation is that you're raging little boy who just discovered counter-atheism and dove into god-killing as a meme. That's what it is. Play less Urr Durr Kratos and read more Hermetics maybe? >I see, so you would move the goal posts infinitely, that way no one could prove you wrong, right? No. It definitely is broader than your exclusivist viewpoint. >What is the right one according to you? Totality. >Photons are non-local For the purpose of holograms we can interact with, they are finely localized even if different states can superimpose onto each other. I'm also pretty sure that if I bust your brain, your being and this developed persona you enjoy and identify with will actually be seriously damaged too, perhaps to the point of being largely erased. >Anyway, I cannot stress enough how important it is to give up a "one god" delusion. Yes, we understand you stress it a lot, but hardly provide any good reason why your reasoning is valid. >The NPC will always strive to "join god" NPC follow whatever popular idea is in place. If tomorrow they're told they're already part of God at their own level, that's what they will believe. >seek unity with nothingness and self-annihilate And then we also see you recently discovered modern Buddhism. Keep being edgy. Still waiting for your sources btw. Without much surprise, none came our way.
>>3104 >Platonic forms So you actually do accept the existence of forms after all (that is in reference to your opposition between will and form). >Gods, principles, etc. All belong to a greater thing. >But none of this implies totality, 'one god' unifying everything subjective, having a single source/emanating point Stop right there. Please go read something enlightening and then return here two years later. >Just because we share the objective, does not mean that we also share the subjective Well, that's deep. If we all shared the "subjective", it would actually stop being subjective. >God does not have schizophrenia. There is not One, but Many (and None) Fully autonomous, to a greatest extent allowed by the universal framework, and subject to any configuration of it in time and space (one's position in it). That is it. Hardcore polytheism. Period. All these Gods or Principles, etc., do not belong to and emanate from something greater. OK OK. >The acceptance of 'one god' marked the start of our corruption and slow extinction. Don't you think there's something like a difference between, on one side, a Supreme Being with its avatara, and the amusing Yahweh on the other? That being said, one can see what the Trinity stems from. Father, Holy Spirit and Son are essentially avatara of the main being. That system might have even worked to some point if it hadn't been so jewed and cucked. >Many gods marked differentiation, one god marks universalism. Incorrect, unless you can prove that all the manifestations of this one big entity are all the same. >Not a dead god of oneness. Now it's dead? >What he could not conquer with a sword, he conquered with a lie. This again proves that you have barely elevated yourself beyond a mere anti-Christian criticism.
>>3152 Interesting approach, I like many of the things that you suggested. To some extent we're lucky that today we have the tools to promote this stuff at a much larger scale than anyone could ever imagine through television, film and of course online. I imagine that in following a policy like you suggested that a pagan spirit would soon be much more visible within our people, especially in the younger generations. Right now I think there is a major spiritual vacuum in the West. Christianity is as weak as ever and atheism provides no meaning or true satisfaction in life -- from the former I speak with experience, as an atheist I was at my worst. >You limit the attacks on other cults to a minimum insofar as to maintain a positive image to cheer people up Definitely agree with this. I attack Christianity a lot when online but I don't think that it is nearly as important in real life (or helpful). Like I said, Christianity is dying. One can believe what they like so long as the practioners don't actively try to work against the nation and its people and undermine Aryan values and traditions. And though this post is mainly in regards to having state power, I think this general policy is what I would follow if I led a group as well. I would allow people of all religions in while having a hard pagan bias. As long as they recognize the 14 words and don't try to divert the course of the movement, whatever. >>3104 >The acceptance of 'one god' marked the start of our corruption and slow extinction Explain. I don't think the notion of any sort of Supreme Being is necessarily a corrosive development that leads one to extinction. The character of how God is perceived here is all important. Yahweh is like Nietzsche in The Antichrist said "one of the most corrupt concepts of God that has ever been attained" for reasons familiar to almost all of us here so I won't preach to the choir. Now look at how Krishna is depicted in the Gita. Now that is the antithesis of corrosive. What was taught in there, like Savitri Devi said, was simultaneously the path of the yogi and that of the warrior, it was a doctrine to be followed by a true man against Time. Quite different from what Yahweh would tell you, and even radicalizing if a National Socialist truly ponders its significance like I have been.
An interesting paper on dharma, here are a few excerpts, I hope someone finds this as interesting as I did: >Etymologically, the Sanskrit word dharma is derived from the root dhr which means 'to hold, have or maintain'. The dharma of a thing may, therefore, be described as that form or power which makes it what it is and prevents it from becoming something different. Water remains water so long as it has the power of wetting things, and fire remains fire so long as it burns whatever is put into it. What keeps whole universe in order and everything in its proper place is dharma >the dharma of a thing does not lie in any external requirement ; it arises out of a thing's own nature, and in the case of man, manifests itself as soon as impurities are removed >The idea that an individual realises his true dharma only when he sheds off all the impurities is of fundamental importance ; it paves the way for the identification of the concept of dharma with the notion of rita which signifies cosmic or divine order. Rita also means Truth, A person who realises his true dharma establishes true relationship with the Absolute >It is the cosmic dharma , which keeps the innumerable planets in their proper orbits, and makes the sun shine and give light and warmth , the moon coolness and the clouds rain and the earth bear plants a food, etc. It is because of this cosmic dharma that there is there is the regular succession of seasons and of day and night, etc. Dharma has no moral aspect when viewed as responsible for the operation of law in the universe at large as well as in the plant and animal kingdoms. Dharma comes to acquire the moral aspect only when it is reflected in the human world >We may, therefore, say that, to a degree, the dharma a thing is that line of conduct which is determined by the stage of evolution at which it has reached and its inner nature. The dharma of a brahmin is different from that of a vaishya or a kshatriya because the former stands at a higher rung of the evolutionary ladder and has a preponderance of the sativic element over the rajasic and the tamasic. >Whatever helps the evolving soul to cultivate qualities which bring it nearer and nearer to God and finally enables it to realise oneness with Divinity is its dharma ; and whatever obstructs and retards this process self-realisation or God realization is adharma. It is reading stuff like this that makes me think that National Socialism is fundamentally dharmic and that the dharmapill is the final redpill. https://www.jstor.org/stable/41854399
>Ockham wasn't bad, Hume and Locke are/were terrible
>>1025 In what way? Only if you follow Vatican council 2 maybe
>>3255 Didn't mean to greentext
>>3254 When dharmas are met, there is no class struggle any longer, nor no point in any of it. The proper rulers are in place and care of the whole people, curtailing any excess as to guarantee justice and happiness. Everything as everyone is where it and one belongs. So true and good Order reigns.
>>3280 Exactly. You understand the beauty of this Order once restored. Once one discovers dharma they realize not just how far we have fallen from Traditional conceptions into pseudo-ideologies which exult conflict, degeneracy and notions of "progress" but that National Socialism is not just another ideology among many, but Truth. And while I prefer to use the Sanskrit terms for many of these concepts, it is truly non-denominational and pre-religious with a transcendent basis. I have a few more papers laying around on dharma that I plan to post excerpts from if they're interesting.
>>1576 English philosophy is what ruined America. Since middle America is at least 90% German you'd think they'd take more from Hegel, Scheilling, and Fichte. But Lyndon LaRouche was not wrong
Btw is Legalism compatible with the West?
>>448 >Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya I’m still waiting for him to release his translation on the Gita. He is a must watch for any anon ITT
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I am a newfag to all of this. I've always been wondering about the connection between Kali Yuga and fascists, obviously because of "Surf the Kali Yuga" but also because of this song by an Italian fascist band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoPnw3QPxk I am already learning that it came from Evola. Mostly just wanted to share this song. It is a motivational song. It talks about the lies of the current day, of Kali Yuga's approaching end and subsequent return of fatherland and freedom. Google translated lyrics: https://tinyurl.com/yfx8lwyw
>>3307 Pretty good song, thanks for sharing, anon. Evola and others like Savitri Devi definitely talk about the Kali Yuga a lot but it's even more surprising to read it directly from the sources and how closely it mirrors our current age, see >>1150. The formatting got fucked up but it's readable.
“the Tao [dharma], which others may call Natural Law or Traditional Morality or the First Principles of Practical Reason or the First Platitudes, is not one among a series of possible systems of value. It is the sole source of all value judgements. If it is rejected, all value is rejected. If any value is retained, it is retained. The effort to refute it and raise a new system of value in its place is self-contradictory. There has never been, and never will be, a radically new judgement of value in the history of the world. What purport to be new systems or (as they now call them) 'ideologies', all consist of fragments from the Tao [dharma] itself, arbitrarily wrenched from their context in the whole and then swollen to madness in their isolation, yet still owing to the Tao [dharma] and to it alone such validity as they possess.” “The rebellion of new ideologies against the Tao [dharma] is a rebellion of the branches against the tree: if the rebels could succeed they would find that they had destroyed themselves. The human mind has no more power of inventing a new value than of imagining a new primary colour, or, indeed, of creating a new sun and a new sky for it to move in.” t. C.S. Lewis
>One of the most powerful and meaningful myths in the Mazdan tradition relating to the character of humanity and the purpose of our work here in the world is contained in the Bundahishn (II.10–11). It relates how Ahura Mazda gives the fravashis of men a choice between fighting for the good and Ahura Mazda in the battle against Angra Mainyu and be assured of a final paradise and life eternal, or to have to fight evil forever and eventually die. The mythic text reads: >10. Ahura Mazda deliberated with the consciousness [bôd] and guardian spirits [ fravashis] of men, and the omniscient wisdom, brought forward among men, spoke thus: “Which seems to you the more advantageous, when I shall present you to the world? That you shall contend in bodily form with the fiend [druj], and the fiend shall perish, and in the end I shall have you prepared again perfect and immortal, and in the end give you back to the world, and you will be wholly immortal, undecaying and undisturbed; or that it be always necessary to provide you protection from the destroyer?” >11. Thereupon, the fravashis of men became of the same opinion with the omniscient wisdom about going to the world, on account of the evil that comes upon them, in the world, from the fiend [druj] Angra Mainyu, and their becoming, at last, again unpersecuted by the adversary, perfect and immortal, in the future existence, for ever and everlasting.2 >This is the Mazdan answer to the same question posed in the myth of Adam and Eve in the Book of Genesis in Hebrew mythology: Adam is given the choice to obey the commands of God or rebel. The choice of Adam and Eve condemns humanity for all time as damnable sinners; whereas the choice made by the spirit of Mankind in the Mazdan tradition ensures the ultimate salvation of all individual human beings. This myth and its understanding are important to the practicing magician, because it emphasizes the good nature of human beings. If your image of yourself, in your very core, is one of wisdom, strength, and health, you will be closer to happiness than if you think of yourself as a “damned sinner.” It is ironic that the Hebrew myth of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Paradise is actually based on an Iranian model, but that model was twisted to indicate something contrary to the original meaning. >For purposes of individual self-transformation today, it is of paramount importance to realize the truth that humanity is a good creation and remains as good as the day we were created but that we are subject to being polluted by the Lie. This pollution is responsible for all our unhappiness, sickness, and poverty. >Although humanity has been polluted by the Lie, each man and woman is armed with the fravashi and all of the other good faculties bestowed by the Wise Lord. By making use of these faculties, each human can fight back against the Lie and thus through training and initiation into wisdom make him- or herself a magavan (person of power) and an âthravan (person of truth). This is the aim of magic individually and of daêna (religion) collectively. (Original Magic, Flowers)
>>3350 >It is ironic that the Hebrew myth of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Paradise is actually based on an Iranian model, but that model was twisted to indicate something contrary to the original meaning. I was aware that the Jews had essentially ‘plagiarized’ and distorted many aspects of Zoroastrianism, but to learn that the Garden of Eden is in part a profound distortion as well is particularly eye-opening, especially given the effects that such a toxic idea has on people. It’s always seemed very strange to me that, of the Abrahamic traditions, only Christianity has inherited this kiked “original sin” doctrine while Judaism and Islam sidestep it completely. <For purposes of individual self-transformation today, it is of paramount importance to realize the truth that humanity is a good creation and remains as good as the day we were created but that we are subject to being polluted by the Lie. This pollution is responsible for all our unhappiness, sickness, and poverty. This is wholly Aryan and of course we can see commonalities in outlooi in other Aryan traditions, where one’s true Self (atman, etc) is fundamentally good, blissful and free. With Buddhism, and this would doubtlessly work with the other traditions I’ve mentioned too, I’ve seen it described in one book as almost akin to “original sinlessness”, with the basic root of pain and stress in life as spiritual ignorance (avidya) rather than (((sin))). The same could be said of Jainism, where the individual soul (jiva)’s naturally perfected, omniscient and liberated state is obscured by an accumulation of karmic particles which is generated first and foremost by spiritual ignorance. That book you’ve been quoting from seems very interesting, is it this informative all the way through?
>>3350 The Mazdan path is itself a modification of that which was established by the Sumerian myth too. Mazdan humanity submits to God instead of rebelling. In Sumerial tales, mankind wasn't rebelling, it got uplifted because a God couldn't accept that was done to humans. The Mazdan tale reworked the story by placing mankind in a better initial state of freedom and choice, not of some kind of slavery from which mankind had to be freed by a benevolent and friendly creature. The Old Testament pulled a mix of both tales by taking the worst aspects one could extract from them: again mankind was in a state of ignorance (intellectual servitude) but since it was imposed by God, it seemed fair to want to rebel from it (and it was) but this liberation is presented as a crime. >>3361 > only Christianity has inherited this kiked “original sin” doctrine while Judaism and Islam sidestep it completely. That's called a swindle wherein a people remains forever dependent upon the Church to obtain salvation from an illness it wasn't even aware of before learning about it from the same Church.
>egalitarianism btfo >hierarchy affirmed >dharmapills dropped >shade thrown at Abrahamists >99% of people in the video are white >exhortation of ARYA DHARMA and the ascending path to greatness Is Sri Acharyaji running the most effective and under-the-radar redpill campaign on the planet? Simply read the bibliography of his Dharma Manifesto and one will see Savitri Devi, Julius Evola, Alain de Benoist, Lothrop Stoddard, Francis Parker Yockey, Kerry Bolton, Hillaire Belloc, Yukio Mishima and Oswald Spengler hiding in the back, and you'd never guess from looking at him, but his videos are chock-full of the glorification of hierarchy, traditionalism and anti-degeneracy. He even quoted the one verse from the Talmud saying that the best of goyim should be killed in the book I mentioned above. He's hiding his power-level on YouTube.
>The theory of Mazdan or Magian astrology is closely connected to the esoteric cosmology of Zoroastrianism. Although Magian astrology is in many ways similar to the standard Western schools of astrology—because medieval Iranian astronomers put their stamp on Arabic teaching on the subject, which was subsequently taken into European thought—there are some significant differences of emphasis and ideology in the Magian school. Magian astrology is much more focused on the visible sky and the fixed stars. Of extreme importance are the Four Guardian, or Royal, Stars mentioned in the thirteenth sîrôzah dedicated to the star Tishtar. The planets and their relatively disharmonious motions are even sometimes considered to be more of a demonic influence. Astronomical observations are used to fix the calendar and the New Year (nowrûz), which begins at the moment of the spring equinox. Celestial movements determine the historical order of events on an esoteric level and play a part in the design of the cosmos. At the most original level the oldest theory about the importance of the stars seems to be the archaic idea that the vault of heaven is a dark, crystalline rock, and the stars are light portals in that rock, with light originating in the eternal realm of the gods. The light is seen as that of Mithra, the connector between heaven and earth, and the pattern of the stars, or light portals, constitutes an eternal message to Mankind from Ahura Mazda and the yazatas. ~ Flowers, Original Magic
Ruling According to Dharma: The following quotes are taken from the Law Code of Manu, mainly the seventh chapter: >"The king should administer appropriate Punishment on men who behave improperly, after examining truthfully the place and the time, as well as their strength and learning. Punishment is the king; he is the male; he is the leader; he is the ruler; and tradition tells us, he stands as the surety for the Law [dharma] with respect to the four orders of life. Punishment disciplines all subjects, Punishment alone protects them, Punishment watches over them as they sleep – Punishment is the Law [dharma], the wise declare." >"The whole world is subdued by Punishment, for an honest man is hard to find..." >"All the social classes [varnas] would become corrupted, all boundaries would be breached, and all the people would revolt, as a result of blunders committed as a respect to Punishment. Wherever Punishment, dark-hued and red-eyed, prowls about as the slayer of evil-doers, there the subjects do not go astray –so long as its administrator ascertains correctly ." >"The king was created as the protector of people belonging to all social classes and orders of life who, according to their rank, are devoted to the Law [dharma] specific to them." There's a long section that which stresses the importance of self-control in kings. Kings must control their lusts. Hunting, gambling, women, music, song and dance are all condemned. Between vice and death, it says, death is preferable. >"He should keep his military force in constant readiness, constantly display his might, constantly guard his secrets, and constantly probe his enemy's weaknesses. The whole world stands in awe of the man who keeps his military force in constant readiness; it is with military force, therefore, that he should subdue all creatures. >"He should ponder over his affairs like a heron, dart off like a rabbit, snatch like a wolf, and attack like a lion." The ideal king is in supreme self-control of self, spiritually advanced, skilled in war and ascetic in behavior. He must be wise beyond his years and able to impartially dish out punishment on those who transgress the Law. He is an example for his people as well, as the Gita says: <Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. How big of a contrast we see between the puppets who are in office today, fraught with degeneracy and incompetence. The average politician today would tremble in the presence of such a being. I wanted to write a bit about the symbol of the king and punishment, the daṇḍa staff but this post has gotten a bit long.
>>3154 >You were saying that existence does not exist otherwise it would have no room to move Totality = the sum of all possibilities, total potential. Which is also nothingness as there is no differentiation. It exists (as necessary/fundamental abstraction), but cannot manifest/actualize. It's absolutely inert. Hence why it cannot be God (as far as any reasonable definitions are concerned). >How do you define that will precludes form when obviously we actually enjoy both? Because without will, form cannot manifest or have any meaning. Will not only precludes form, but also transcends it, giving it meaning. It actualizes Form, creating a movement. Since there is more than one Will, it makes totality an open-ended system, as even the same superstate could be experienced in two different instances without them necessarily interacting with each other. Of course, monocucks don't believe this, and think that their will is part of some entity higher than themselves, that is the only and ultimate will. Which is actually true (at least the first part) for almost all people on this planet, except the small minority who realize that such will is not theirs. >It's more like a curve actually. Explain >Unless you started with an exceptional spirit, it follows that we all began as much less impressive selves. Surely you had something within you pushing you to seek answers and actualize? Or you believe yourself to be entirely a product of your circumstances? That you would never get certain ideas if you did not read them somewhere, or had someone explain them to you? >Towards God within the context of spirituality Maybe God did not intend them to move? First you imply that there is some sort of project, then you imply that God is incompetent and that you need to correct his errors. >thus understanding of the whole project and God itself There is no project, it's an eternally recurring continuum. And you will never understand God as long as you externalize it and project it onto something. >Why? Not all potential was meant (or possible) to increase. Trying to do so can only bring harm >but all life has a thing to do, a purpose, a reason for being True. That reason not being of higher nature in most instances. All things strive to reach their full potential, their logical conclusion. Even a mere rock. >The explanation is that you're raging little boy I'm likely older than you. And i'm quite familiar with Hermeticism. >Totality. Did you ever try imagining yourself as such? Complete deindividualization, loss of Self. How can anything at such state be a God? Why do you wish to undo yourself so badly? >I'm also pretty sure that if I bust your brain I am not my brain, you would only be impairing my ability to manifest in this body and my earthly persona. Which is severely limited already, human brains, even highly developed ones are not very compatible with such entities. Which is a result of dysgenic practices, possibly gene tampering. >Keep being edgy What's exactly wrong with being edgy? Except for the sake of edginess of course, that's cringe.
>>3384 it always troubled me that the humans in Genesis had to choose between blissful ignorance and cursed knowledge. on one hand, you're a happy idiot living indefinitely in a luxurious, gilded cage; on the other, you're an enlightened but fallen being, liberated yet burdened with suffering, mortality and evil. both ways of life seem lacking.
>>3155 >that is in reference to your opposition between will and form There is no opposition, in fact, one is dependent on another to manifest, will is just slightly more important >All belong to a greater thing. Forms do, but that thing is not an entity of it's own, just a vast, eternal, endless, indestructible depository >Please go read something enlightening By now it should be obvious to you that I'm coming from the enlightenment background. I'm just transcending it. >If we all shared the "subjective", it would actually stop being subjective That's how "objective" comes to be. We do not share the subjective, but they do interact. Some wills just have much greater "gravity" than the others. There are also the eternal laws and forms which provide the framework. >All these Gods or Principles, etc., do not belong to and emanate from something greater. They do, that greater source not necessarily being a single entity/god. Besides, principles are inherent, they do not need a source of emanation, they permeate everything. >and the amusing Yahweh on the other? Wouldn't be possible without monotheism. It would forever remain just a tribal god of the Jews, and treated as such. >Father, Holy Spirit and Son are essentially avatara of the main being I always saw it as the source, signal and physical manifestation, three stages of being rather than avatara. You are simultaneously the source of your entity, which exists beyond creation and is immortal, a mutual feedback loop between it and your mind (signal that exists in the immaterial frequency domain) and it's physical manifestation within your brain >Incorrect, unless you can prove that all the manifestations of this one big entity are all the same. If the source is the same, then there is really no difference. That's why recognizing a multitude of sources is essential. >Now it's dead? Something that cannot think, be aware, act, or move? Hardly alive >This again proves that you have barely elevated yourself beyond a mere anti-Christian criticism. How naive, in fact, I'm starting to see the world through the eye of God. Of course, I can't blame you for your all too human perception. Going beyond one god truly complicates things, and makes them much less safe, less predictable. Focal point theology/morality is the path of least resistance. But you will never free yourself as long as you adhere to it. Striving for the safety of the womb will only make you keep leaving it, eternally. How tempting, the white light is ... >>3156 > I don't think the notion of any sort of Supreme Being is necessarily a corrosive development that leads one to extinction It opens the way for it though. We can clearly trace the development of monotheism leading into what we have today. Could it be different? Probably. But why not eliminate the problem at it's source rather than risking it to evolve into globohomo countless centuries later.
>>1913 I will never forgive the kikes for what they did to Prabhupada. People talk about the importance of figures like Swami Vivekananda, but Prabhupada is the single most important figure for bringing authentic Vedic traditions back into the west and translating and writing dozens of great works. It’s a little too Krishna-centric and literalist for me at times, but respect should be given where it’s due. Prabhupada was clearly extremely redpilled on Jews, democracy, Hitler, women and hierarchy, but it confounds me why he became so surrounded by Jews who took on high ranks in the movement before poisoning him and turning (((ISKCON))) into their golem, kosherizing his translations and purports. Jayadvaita Swami — (((Jay Israel))) Tamal Krishna Goswami — (((Thomas Herzig))) Radhanath Swami — (((Richard Slavin)))
>>1262 So would you say to follow Theravada as a whole? What are your thoughts on sutras?
>>1612 Seeing Christians call for the killing of non-Christians makes me understand this. This savage semite idea of "one true religion" is a disease.
Came up elsewhere, in regard to the flaw of insatiability in man. A reminder that Material Desire does not exist to be satisfied. Srimad Bhagavatam 3.2.20 >Certainly others who were fighters on the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra were purified by the onslaught of Arjuna's arrows, and while seeing the lotuslike face of Kṛṣṇa, so pleasing to the eyes, they achieved the abode of the Lord. Prabhupada's Purport >The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, appears in this world for two missionary purposes: to deliver the faithful and to annihilate the miscreants. But because the Lord is absolute, His two different kinds of actions, although apparently different, are ultimately one and the same. His annihilation of a person like Śiśupāla is as auspicious as His actions for the protection of the faithful. All the warriors who fought against Arjuna but who were able to see the lotuslike face of the Lord on the battlefront achieved the abode of the Lord, exactly as the devotees of the Lord do. The words "pleasing to the eyes of the seer" are very significant. When the warriors from the other side of the battlefield saw Lord Kṛṣṇa at the front, they appreciated His beauty, and their dormant instinct of love of God was awakened. Śiśupāla saw the Lord also, but he saw Him as his enemy, and his love was not awakened. Therefore Śiśupāla achieved oneness with the Lord by merging in the impersonal glare of His body, called the brahmajyoti. Others, who were in the marginal position, being neither friends nor enemies but slightly in love of Godhead by appreciating the beauty of His face, were at once promoted to the spiritual planets, the Vaikuṇṭhas. The Lord's personal abode is called Goloka Vṛndāvana, and the abodes where His plenary expansions reside are called the Vaikuṇṭhas, where the Lord is present as Nārāyaṇa. Love of Godhead is dormant in every living entity, and the entire process of devotional service unto the Lord is meant for awakening this dormant, eternal love of Godhead. But there are degrees of such transcendental awakening. Those whose love of God is awakened to the fullest extent go back to the Goloka Vṛndāvana planet in the spiritual sky, whereas persons who have just awakened to love of Godhead by accident or association are transferred to the Vaikuṇṭha planets. Essentially there is no material difference between Goloka and Vaikuṇṭha, but in the Vaikuṇṭhas the Lord is served in unlimited opulence, whereas in Goloka the Lord is served in natural affection. >This love of God is awakened by the association of pure devotees of the Lord. Here the word pārthāstra-pūtaḥ is significant. Those who saw the beautiful face of the Lord on the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra were purified first by Arjuna when he made his onslaught with arrows. The Lord appeared for the mission of diminishing the burden of the world, and Arjuna was assisting the Lord by fighting on His behalf. Arjuna personally declined to fight, and the whole instruction of the Bhagavad-gītā was given to Arjuna to engage him in the fight. As a pure devotee of the Lord, Arjuna agreed to fight in preference to his own decision, and thus Arjuna fought to assist the Lord in His mission of diminishing the burden of the world. All the activities of a pure devotee are executed on behalf of the Lord because a pure devotee of the Lord has nothing to do for his personal interest. Arjuna's killing was as good as killing by the Lord Himself. As soon as Arjuna shot an arrow at an enemy, that enemy became purified of all material contaminations and became eligible to be transferred to the spiritual sky. Those warriors who appreciated the lotus feet of the Lord and saw His face at the front had their dormant love of God awakened, and thus they were transferred at once to Vaikuṇṭhaloka not to the impersonal state of brahmajyoti as was Śiśupāla. Śiśupāla died without appreciating the Lord, while others died with appreciation of the Lord. Both were transferred to the spiritual sky, but those who awakened to love of God were transferred to the planets of the transcendental sky.
Another good bit from Bhagavata Purana: >‘“The illustrious one said, ‘Though Purusha resides in a body created by Prakriti, he is not touched by Prakriti’s gunas. He is without gunas and without change. He has no attributes of being a doer. He is like the sun, distinct from its reflection in the water. When the gunas of Prakriti are absorbed by the jivatman, he becomes confounded because of the action of ahamkara and takes himself to be the doer. Therefore, he helplessly has to undergo his position in samsara and is not satisfied. Because of being associated with faulty action, he is born as superior, middling and inferior species. He does not really exist in this material form, but does not withdraw from it. He contemplates material objects, just as one experiences calamities in a dream. Therefore, one must use intense bhakti yoga to gradually withdraw the consciousness from this attachment to the wicked path and bring it under the forces of non-attachment. With faith, one must practise the path of yoga, yama and the other modes. A person’s sentiments must be truly immersed in me and he must chant and hear about me. He must be impartial towards all creatures, without enmity and without being attached. He must follow brahmacharya and be silent, thus strengthening his own dharma. He must be content with whatever is easily obtained. A sage must be moderate in eating. He must seek out a secluded spot. He must be tranquil, friendly and compassionate and realize his atman. He must not get attached to the body and the unreal possessions associated with it. Through knowledge, he will comprehend the truth about Prakriti and Purusha. He must withdraw his intelligence from material existence and keep any other such conceptions far away. Just as one sees the sun with one’s eyes, one will then be able to realize the atman in one’s own self. He will be freed from the linga sharira, which appears to be real, though it is unreal. This is because faulty insight has entered the real, though everything is without duality. The reflection of the sun in the water can be seen in its second reflected image on a wall. But the sun is actually situated in the sky. In this way, a person who has realized the truth can realize the radiance of the real in its reflections in the three kinds of ahamkara, the elements, the senses and the mind. When one is asleep, the elements, their subtle tanmatras, the senses, the mind are absorbed in the unmanifest. The one who is awake and without ahamkara is the atman. In that state, a seer may take himself to have been destroyed, but that sense of destruction is false. This is because ahamkara has been destroyed. One feels afflicted, like a person whose wealth has been destroyed. In this way, one comprehends one’s atman, which is the one who makes ahamkara and material objects manifest and is the foundation.’ [Devahuti asks for detail, I omit for space] >‘“The illustrious one replied, ‘One should not desire the fruits of action. With a pure mind, one must be engaged in one’s own dharma. There must be intense devotion towards me and one must hear about me for a long time. Through knowledge and insight about the tattvas, non-attachment becomes stronger. One must engage in austerities and yoga and be immersed in intense meditation. Even in this world, if Prakriti is burnt down day and night, it gradually vanishes from Purusha. This is like fire, which becomes hidden inside its source, the kindling. Always looking towards its taints and after enjoying its products, Prakriti is abandoned. There is nothing inauspicious in the lord, who is established in his own greatness. If a person is asleep, many kinds of calamities appear before him in a dream. However, when he is awake, these do not have the power to confound him. In this way, if a person knows about the truth and if his mind is in me, if a person seeks delight in his own atman, Prakriti is never able to harm him. Thus, if a sage is addicted to adhyatma for a long time, over many births, and if non-attachment towards everything has arisen in him, he obtains Brahma’s world. Through my favours, a devotee attains this objective. He obtains his own state and there is nothing superior to this. He obtains refuge with me, a state that is known as that of kaivalya. In this world, such a persevering person truly obtains this state. Because of his own insight, his doubts are dispelled. Having gone there, a person does not return. Such a yogi is separated from his linga sharira. O dear one! There are siddhis obtained through yoga, but these are maya. When a person is not attached to these and does not pursue any other objective, he obtains me as a destination. This is the infinite and death’s laughter is not heard there.’”’ Tangential note: here we see a term "linga-sharira" which is the Astral Body or Etheric Double (Ka in Kemetic mythopoetry). Now, why do we want to get rid of that? This is the self-image, literalized. It is emotional in composition and due to this is the mechanism of attachment, that is the mechanism by which we are shuffled from one body to another and as such we must control it, or it controls us, even beyond death in this life. You say "I don't mind reincarnation." Sure, but as a kike or nigger? Going down to an animal and eventually a microbiota, into even a worse universe? Of course not. You need to be able to direct it. Plus, dharma cannot be executed without dispassion.
>>3752 "One true religion" is certainly a Jewish idea, and it manifests itself even in extra-religious ways, such as in Jewish forms of political ideology such as Marxism, which purports itself to be "scientific" and fanatically intolerant of anything except for itself. The real redpill is that there is one Truth which manifests itself through a variety of exoteric outer forms and that religions are adaptations of this to different mentalities and conditions. Of course that means some religions may be further or closer to the Truth than others. One can't just sputter out any nonsense and claim that it in line with Tradition (see New Age garbage). This is different from the childish and intellectually lazy claim of "all religions are the same / equal" though. This is clearly not true from the face of it. For example if we ask a room of people "what is 2+2" some of them will of course say "4", while others may answer "5" or something completely unrelated and obviously off the mark. This doesn't mean that there is no correct answer or that everyone is correct, of course though. It would be silly to claim such a thing
>>3757 >A reminder that Material Desire does not exist to be satisfied. This reminds me of a few verses in the Srimad Bhagavatam and Isa Upanishad that you've likely seen, but it's always good to underline these things and show them to those who haven't seen them 1.2.10: <Life’s desires should never be directed toward sense gratification. One should desire only a healthy life, or self-preservation, since a human being is meant for inquiry about the Absolute Truth. Nothing else should be the goal of one’s works. Prabhupada's purport here is good too, as he links it to the problems of democracy: <The completely bewildered material civilization is wrongly directed towards the fulfillment of desires in sense gratification. In such civilization, in all spheres of life, the ultimate end is sense gratification. [...] In the political field the leaders of men fight with one another to fulfill their personal sense gratification. The voters adore the so-called leaders only when they promise sense gratification. As soon as the voters are dissatisfied in their own sense satisfaction, they dethrone the leaders. The leaders must always disappoint the voters by not satisfying their senses. https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/1/2/10/ <Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong. The purport for this verse is very long, but it contains much useful discussion on class conflict. I won't quote it here, but it will of course be linked below. I will quote this, though: <The root of sin is deliberate disobedience to the laws of nature through disregarding the proprietorship of the Lord. Disobeying the laws of nature or the order of the Lord brings ruin to a human being. Conversely, one who is sober, who knows the laws of nature, and who is not influenced by unnecessary attachment or aversion is sure to be recognized by the Lord and thus become eligible to go back to Godhead, back to the eternal home. https://vedabase.io/en/library/iso/1/ 7.14.8-9 <One may claim proprietorship to as much wealth as required to maintain body and soul together, but one who desires proprietorship over more than that must be considered a thief, and he deserves to be punished by the laws of nature. <One should treat animals such as deer, camels, asses, monkeys, mice, snakes, birds and flies exactly like one’s own son. How little difference there actually is between children and these innocent animals. https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/7/14/8/ https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/7/14/9/ It was extremely interesting to me how in Prabhupada's Easy Journey to Other Planets he states that: >"The Russians are unaware that in the Srimad Bhagatavam the socialist philosophy is most perfectly described. The Bhagavatam instructs that whatever varieties of wealth exist--such as natural resources (agricultural, mining, etc.)--all are created by the ultimate creator, and therefore every living being has a right to take his share of them. It is further said that a man should possess only as much wealth as is sufficient to main his body, and that if he desires more than that, or if he takes more than his share, he is subject to punishment. It is also stated that animals should be treated as one's own children". >We believe that no nation on Earth can describe socialism as well as the Srimad Bhagavatam. Living beings other than humans can be treated as brothers and children only when one has a full conception of the creator and actual constitution of living beings.
>>3766 Be careful with 'detachment' , you may end up completely dissolving your Ka, and since your soul is ultimately immortal, it will have to spring forth into existence again, starting from the lowest forms of life and sentencing itself to countless new cycles of suffering and ignorance. A proper way to approach gods like Krisna is to emulate them, not to aspire to be at their abode or get annihilated by them. >>3789 You always had exoteric and esoteric traditions, which were often in stark contrast to each other. >>3790 This interpretation is typical slave morality, read Max Muller's edition of the Upanishads, hopefully you'll figure out that the knowledge of Om/Atman/ultimate self is the only thing that matters and that everything else was made for the lower castes. Why did "the lord" create senses if they are not to be fulfilled? This is the same idiocy as Abrahamistic concept of "sin" . Why are animals created different if they are to be treated the same?
>>3800 >Why did "the lord" create senses if they are not to be fulfilled? This is the same idiocy as Abrahamistic concept of "sin" . The talk of one taking one's share in no more is certainly not slavish, as there is nothing in the verses which implies equality of share. It talks about "desiring propietorship", not having more that amount necessarily. It's merely recognizing the fact that God is ultimate creator of everything that exists and has ultimate ownership. Related to this, everything material is transient and impermanent, so it is easy to see why one should not desire more than he deserves or needs, as it is temporary and fleeting. There's a time and place for proper gratification of the senses. For example, in marriage for sex. There's nothing about Abrahamic sin here. The Bhagavad Gita basically says the same thing, telling you to discipline yourself and get control over your animal desires for spiritual growth. >Why are animals created different if they are to be treated the same? Animals being treated the same as who or what? The verse 7.14.9 says to treat them as you'd treat your children – i.e. to care for them and protect them. It's undeniable that this verse has a degree of hyperbole in it, but that strengthens the injunction (if it could be called that). To Sanatana Dharma man is undeniably situated in a superior position in the hierarchy of life, just how a brahmin is superior to a shudra, or a white man a negro. All of these have different rights and duties according to their nature and position. To this tradition animals are objects of moral concern as just as much as humans, though humans function as both moral agents and objects of moral concern. Unlike in Abrahamic traditions, this tradition is not man-centered, but life-centered. There is no irreducible breach between the world of men and the world of animals. The souls of all men, animals and plants are substantially identical, sparks of the Divine. The puerile partiality of Yahweh for the Jews has been merely extended to mankind as the Chosen in Abrahamic traditions. Bhagavad Gita 5.18: <The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brahmana, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste] . This verse means that the advanced sage can see the true nature of each and every form of life as manifestations of the selfsame divine power at play on various levels of consciousness, no matter how insignificant or lowly it may seem. Ahimsa is not non-violence is practice, it is minimization of harm. We can not get through life without engaging in some accidental and unnecessary harm (such as to some insects, plants, etc), but the scriptures are clear. It is reincarnation which merely strengthens this rationale, as the Pythagoras realized when he stopped someone from beating a dog when he realized that he heard the voice of a departed friend calling out in its cries. Read Savitri Devi's Impeachment of Man >>471. Hitler came to many of these same conclusions. >A proper way to approach gods like Krisna is to emulate them Of course, that is half the reason for the coming of avataras. They are examples, saviors and teachers, all in one.
>>3803 >It's merely recognizing the fact that God is ultimate creator of everything that exists and has ultimate ownership Seems awfully Talmudic. You should not combine ignorance ... >Everything material is transient and impermanent, so it is easy to see why one should not desire more than he deserves or needs, as it is temporary and fleeting With wisdom. >The Bhagavad Gita basically says the same thing, telling you to discipline yourself and get control over your animal desires for spiritual growth. I'm not arguing with that, I'm arguing with the specific interpretation of it which reminds me of candala religions and slave morality >The souls of all men, animals and plants are substantially identical, sparks of the Divine They are all the breath of Brahman as phenomena, making them equally transient and illusory, a part of Maya. There is no reason whatsoever why should they contain a spark of the Divine by merely existing in the phenomenal world. It's not a prerequisite. In fact, most of them are soulless automata without genuine will, completely subject to determinism, no different from a wave in the ocean or a gush of a wind. This profanization and bolshevization of the Divine is what unites all universalist religions. But while this "oneness" will come naturally to an npc as a logical conclusion of existence, for those possessing genuine souls and actual divinity it's noting but a trap of disintegration. To each his own I guess, but it is my duty to warn you. >This verse means that the advanced sage can see the true nature of each and every form of life as manifestations of the selfsame divine power at play on various levels of consciousness Or take it to the next level and realize them being equally worthless if not possessing the Atman/Divine. Minimization of harm becomes only applicable to some in that case. Reincarnation doesn't strengthen that rationale if you can control it (or avoid it altogether). Of course, one should avoid harming anything if unnecessary, however not because of the false "oneness" or those creatures possessing some inherent divinity, but simply for lacking sufficient reason to do so. Savitri Devi was a tremendously insightful person, but it's very difficult for people to maintain divine inspiration without straying to a wrong path. Not even geniuses like Pythagoras were immune to it.
>>385 Okay, you have redpilled me on Bhagavad Gita. I have added it to the top of my reading list. So, can someone redpill me on meditation also.
>>3837 *How To Chant On Japa Beads* >1. Hold the beads in your right hand. >2. There’s one head bead, a bead that’s bigger than all the rest. Grasp the first bead to one side of the head bead with your right thumb and the middle finger of your right hand. (Your index finger doesn’t touch the bead.) >3. Roll the bead back and forth between your thumb and middle finger and chant—Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. The word Hare is pronounced huh-ray. Krsna is pronounced krish-na. And Rama rhymes with the English word drama. Say each syllable of each word as clearly as you can. Concentrate your attention on the sound of each word of the mantra. >4. After you’ve chanted the complete mantra one time, move your thumb and finger to the next bead and chant the mantra again. >5. Chant on the next bead and then the next, until you have chanted on all 108 beads. You have now reached the other side of the head bead and have completed one full “round.” >6. Do not chant on the head bead, and don’t cross over it to continue. Instead, turn the whole set of beads around in your hand and chant in the other direction. The last bead of your first round is the first bead for your next. Chant on this bead, then the next. and then the next. Stop when you reach the side of the head bead again. Then you’ll have completed your second round. >7. Keep reversing directions in this way to chant your third and fourth rounds, and keep going. (How many rounds can you chant? Initiated devotees chant sixteen rounds a day.) >8. Treat your beads respectfully. Don’t let them touch the floor, your feet, or any unclean place. Don’t take them into the bathroom. >9. You can keep your beads in a bead bag, a specially sewn pouch with a strap. This keeps your beads nicely while you chant, and when you’re not chanting you can hang the bag around your neck to keep your beads handy. When you put your beads away, store them in the bag in a clean place. (If you don’t have a bead bag, you can wrap your beads in a clean cloth and keep them in a drawer or on a shelf.) >One final word. Try to find time to chant a fixed number of rounds every day. You can start with two rounds or even one—but chant regularly, without fail, preferably in the early morning. This regularity of chanting, coupled (if possible) with a regular program of study, will give you a firm basis for further progress in Krsna consciousness I often use this mantra: >Govinda jaya jaya; Gopala jaya jaya; Ramana Radharani; Govinda jaya jaya https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjI8eqy8n1k I got my bag & beads from here, size medium or large is best: https://krishnastore.com/other-items-tulsi-japa-beads-om-69_72.html They have them on Amazon in stone & metal as well. I do three rounds every night.
>>3837 >>3841 Prabhupada on the subject: >Lord Chaitanya's teachings are exactly the same as those given by Lord Kapila, the original propounder of the Samkhya Yoga, or the Samkhya system of philosophy. This authorized system of Yoga is practiced on the principle of meditation on the Transcendental Form of the Lord. There is no meditating on something Void or impersonal involved. When one is practiced to meditate upon the Transcendental Form of Lord Vishnu, even without the sitting posture in a particular place and atmosphere, the stage is called perfect Samadhi. This perfect Samadhi of Samkhya Yoga is confirmed in the Bhagavad Gita at the end of the Sixth Chapter, where the Lord says that of all the yogis, one who constantly thinks of the Lord within the core of his heart with love and devotion is the greatest. >Lord Chaitanya instructed this Samkhya Yoga, or system of philosophy—called Achintya Bhedabheda Tattwa (simultaneously one and different)—most practically for everyone among the mass of people, simply by chanting the Holy Name of the Lord. He says that the Holy Name of the Lord is the Sound Vibration Form of the Lord. The Lord being the Absolute Whole, there is no difference between His Holy Name and His Transcendental Form. Therefore, by chanting the Holy Name of the Lord, one can directly associate with the Supreme Lord by Sound Vibration. This Sound Vibration of the Lord has three stages of development, namely: (1) offensive stage, (2) clearing stage, and (3) transcendental stage. In the offensive stage one may desire all kinds of material happiness or distress as one acts, but in the second stage of chanting, one becomes cleared from all material contamination. But when one is situated on the transcendental stage, one achieves the most covetable perfection, the stage of loving God. Lord Chaitanya recommended that this is the highest stage of perfection for the human being. >Yoga practice is essentially meant for controlling the senses. Mind is the central controlling factor of all senses; and therefore one has to practice first controlling the mind by engaging the mind in the matter of Krishna Consciousness. The gross activities of the mind are expressed through the external senses, either for acquiring knowledge or functioning under the will, and the subtle activities of the mind are thinking, feeling, and willing, according to the different attitudes of consciousness. This consciousness is either polluted or clear. If the mind is fixed up in Krishna (His Name, Quality, Form, Pastimes, Entourage, and Paraphernalia), then the whole of the activities, subtle and gross, is changed favorably. The Bhagavad Gita's process of purifying consciousness is to fix the mind on Krishna-to talk of His Transcendental Activities, to cleanse the Temple of the Lord, to walk to the Temple of the Lord, to see the Beautiful Transcendental Form of the Lord nicely decorated, to hear His Transcendental Glories, to taste foodstuffs offered to the Lord, to smell the flowers and Tulsi leaves offered to the Lord, to associate with the Lord's devotees, to engage oneself in the activities for the interest of the Lord, and to become angry also at those who are envious of the devotees. No one can stop the activities of the mind or the senses, but one can purify such activities by changing the account. This change of account is recommended in the Bhagavad Gita (Chapter II/39). A human being is sometimes restricted in the matter of sense-gratification under certain circumstances of disease, etc. But that prescription or regulative principle is for the less intelligent class of men. Such less intelligent men, without knowing the actual process of controlling the mind and senses, either want to stop them by force, or to give them up or to be carried away by the waves of sense-gratification. >The eight formulas of practicing Yoga—regulative principles, following the rules, practicing the different sitting postures, breathing exercise, and thus to withdraw the senses from the sense objects, etc.—are meant for the persons who are too engrossed in the bodily concept of life. But the intelligent man who is situated in Krishna Consciousness, does not forcibly stop his senses from acting on behalf of Krishna. >You cannot stop a child from his playful activities and leave him inactive, but you can stop him by engaging him in superior activities. Similarly, the forceful restraint of the sense activities, by following the eight principles of Yoga practice, is recommended for an inferior class of men; but the superior class of men, being engaged in the better activities of Krishna Consciousness, naturally retire from the inferior activities of material existence. >Lord Chaitanya in this way teaches us the science of Krishna Consciousness, which is absolute. Dry mental speculators try to restrain themselves from material attachment, but it is generally found that the mind, being too strong to be controlled, sometimes drags such speculators down in the matter of sensual activities; but there is no such chance for persons in Krishna Consciousness. Therefore, one has to engage one's mind and senses in Krishna conscious activities, and how this is practically possible is taught by the Lord, Sri Krishna Chaitanya.
>>3837 If you happen to be getting the “As It Is” translation, make sure that it is the original 1972 edition, as the newer editions have been (((edited))), see one particular verse here >>1910. On meditation, one anon seems to have written a good post for you. If you would like a super in-depth series of introductions check out this Youtube channel’s playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6y_Lir8RzUfLmLcK3FFMDO8EBE1YSEKU The whole channel is great too
>>3846 krishnapath.org has all the original texts in pdf, epub and audio. That's the point of the site. I know people who knew site owner when he was alive. Great devotee. Best resource there is. I suggest hoarding every book from there because who knows how long he paid for the site before he left earth.
>>3841 >Go play with your beads goyim The point of this thread was Aryan spirituality and it's application in our struggle. You started off nicely, but gradually began introducing more and more counter-productive elements, eventually showing that your universalist cult and it's degenerate practices are more important to you than your race or politics aimed at preserving it. This makes you no different from Christian astroturfers, and are possibly a part of the same "denazification" team. That masonic faggot backing you up was not very subtle either. You can spam those quotes all you want hoping that they will somehow reduce the visibility of my posts, but gentlemen, I'm still waiting for an argument. In fact, your actions make me even more certain that this (((supreme being))) is something that we must get rid of if we are to ever free ourselves from the Jewish yoke.
>>3851 I don't see what is so bad about japa honestly. It's literally just mantra repetition and it's an ancient practice. The one anon asked for information on meditation and that practice is part of meditation.
>>3841 >>3842 >>3846 Thanks! >>3851 Why don't you post something to back up your accusations? What should we do instead? And why? If you aren't willing to post any pointers, how do you expect anyone to be able to learn anything at all? I am willing to listen (that's why I clicked on this thread in the first place)
>>3851 Here's your (You)
>>3852 Nothing bad about it, it's just pointless, we might as well discuss playing with marbles or knitting. >>3853 How about you start thinking on your own for once? Talmudic rats spent centuries infusing their idiotic philosophy and slave morality into every religion, philosophy, school of thought and scraping/persecuting any alternatives. They became very pedantic about it in the last decade or so, removing even obscure websites and books from the search results. This should be familiar to any anon who has been lurking for a while. Of course, can't have anything interfering with the noahide laws, especially not some pesky goyim trying to deify their Selves and go beyond the (((supreme being))) Or thinking that one race, species etc. is inherently superior to others, that's reserved for (((Lord's chosen))) who are merely being more equal than the rest :>) I'm utilizing a mix of Jainism, (exclusivist, particularist) Gnosticism and hold the concepts of determinism and free will to be simultaneously true. As in, most phenomena (including people, animals etc.) do share a single source and are a product of a single will/consciousness (what npc's perceive as a singular God), not having any independence, but there also existing souls/beings who are supreme in their own right (or have the potential to become so), who are just sharing the medium, but not the source. White race has the greatest genetic potential for such souls/beings to manifest on earth, which is why kikes are trying to destroy it. Such individuals can also be born as other races, but at a considerably lower and negligible ratio. There are some versions of Luciferianism promoting such beliefs, but I avoid the term in order not to trigger people too much. >>3854 Thank you for confirming my point >My concept of god is schizophrenia and psychosis >No, YOU are the crazy one goy!
Some interesting works I’ve been skimming tonight. Hope to read them in full eventually: Pagan Monotheism in Late Antiquity http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=56BF6B2C3FD49C59B45C40F60F03B4D9 One God: Pagan Monotheism in the Roman Empire http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=4FC9CC66E344C7B3E1600DA6E6E61610
>>3881 Intredasting

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