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Unpopular Opinions Blackshirt 09/11/2019 (Wed) 15:01:16 ID: 44881c No.87
Post your unpopular opinions here
Me:
>Islam is actually pretty based and Islam minus Africanization would be a net benefit to the West
>there is nothing wrong with having more than one wife
>Tarrant is overrated
>Hitler had no chance of winning, but was still based overall
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I agree go-guy ha.
>>98
That's one fatal flaw Muslims have. It's become abundantly clear that you can't just reduce the Jews to dhimmitude and solve the JQ. I'd definitely agree with OP that Sharia would fix a lot of the problems that we have today in the West, but Jews need physically removed at all costs. Though Muslims would strip them of much of their civil rights, that doesn't go far enough. The parasite still remains within the national body and needs cut out.
>second pic
Keyword here is 'refugees' I feel. Any brown refugee will do, as we see with all of the Yazidis in Germany. ZOG destabilizes the Middle East for the benefit of Israel, displaces million of people and then tries to resettle them in the West for white genocide, low-wage workers and a greater amount of people living consumerist Western lifestyles.
Multiculturalism isn't bad from having more than one race per se. It's bad since society shills memes on how autonomy and democracy are good, advocates garbage like "human rights", and encourages alienation (hence the case of expat's children embracing Wahabbism since they lack an identity not rooted in consumption).
>>87
>>Islam is actually pretty based and Islam minus Africanization would be a net benefit to the West
>there is nothing wrong with having more than one wife
>I don't know I just described a pedo-less religion like traditional Christianity.

>>100
>I'd definitely agree with OP that Sharia would fix a lot of the problems that we have today in the West
>I don't realize the lack of traditional Christianity caused a lot of the problems that we have today in the West - such as low birthrates, degeneracy, spread of jewry, ...
>>87
There is no solution other than a very violent judgement from God almighty to fix the state of things
Blasphemy laws were pretty based in relation to Catholicism
>>424
>Multiculturalism isn't bad from having more than one race per se
I think having different races living among one another is bound to lead to tensions and eventually conflict but I understand what you're saying. The main problem with multiculturalist ideology is that it's forced upon us and is in practice the promotion of ethnic amalgamation at the direct expense of real ethnic diversity. Funnily enough the Cultural Marxists justify this in the name of ethnic diversity. The real redpill is ethnic plurality within their own states, with all association being voluntary and racial amalgamation being heavily discouraged if not outlawed, at least in our own nations. I don't care if non-whites mix it up, not my problem then.
I think it's fine for white men to racemix with certain races only if they're a small number and confined to a certain space in the country away from everybody else in the nation. White women mixing is always undesirable no matter how low the number.
A CIA/Military coup would be beneficial, even if it created a Stalin-like regime, even if it came about as a coalition of globohomo forces, even if all of us got gulag'd, because the gentile leaders who actually run the military would realize that they don't like sharing power with their subversive partners, and would eventually enact a late-Stalin/Krushcevian 'reform' to disempower the Jews.

In fact, I think that's why they aren't stomping down on us as hard as they could be right now.

I think they actually fear any sort of authoritarian structure that would put more power into the hands of gentiles (USSR) or make the Jews more violently visible in politics (Hungarian Uprising).

Since one of these things would have to be done there's basically nothing for them to do in that regard, so all they can do is utilize soft power to the absolute limit.

I think that this disempowers the accelerationist who wants to provoke a crackdown by the government, but it gives ammo to the good-optics guys.

Because, basically, you can walk up to Washington DC in a Hitler uniform if you've got enough people behind you, because once the kikes unleash their authoritarian desires its all over for them. Even if the Boogaloo happened and their side won it would eventually be over for them; no one would stand a kike administration. Not generals, not the masses, there's nowhere for them to go.

This is the ultimate vindication of the "optics cuck."
There's no room for "atheism" and/or secularism as we know it now in any respectable movement.

Also, Protestantism is trash.

(considers himself only Christian insofar it's the only living tradition with continuity to the likes of Aristotle, though he's impressed with some variants of South Asian traditions).
>>87
>>100
>Islam is actually pretty based
>Jews need physically removed at all costs
Your opinions on these matters are meaningless because you have no political power. You pretend that you have to pick between feminism and Islam despite not having the power to pick anything.
>>685
>Your opinions on these matters are meaningless because you have no political power.
Gee better shut down the board then
Savitri Devi was not a National Socialist
She may have been one once but by the time The Lightning & The Sun was written she was just a esoteric Hindu with a thin veneer of National Socialist ideas.

The Lightning & The Sun is a work of despair, bitterness, thwarted vengeance and apathy.
Her idea of the Yuga, especially the Kali Yuga, for instance is that it is a cosmic law that degeneracy happens and is thus inevitable. It is cosmically ordained and all we can do is wait for kalki to set things right in order to have a' golden age'.

Quote:
'And they believed that the return of a similar (golden) Age, foretold in their respective sacred texts and oral traditions, depends, not upon man’s conscious effort, but upon iron laws, inherent to the very nature of visible and tangible manifestation, and all-pervading; upon cosmic laws. They believed that man’s conscious effort is but an expression of those laws at work, leading the world, willingly or unwillingly, wherever its destiny lies;'

Quote:
'The world evolves naturally towards disintegration, with accelerated speed.'

Quote:
'All men, inasmuch as they are not liberated from the bondage of Time follow the downward path of history, whether they know it or not, and whether they like it or not.'

This directly opposed by the understanding of life that characterises National Socialism. We embrace will, action, strength and struggle as virtues. The whole point is for ourselves to act and put things right, not wait for 'kalki'. If the National Socialists of the early 20th century had kept such weak ideas they never would have bothered. Devis ideas are also directly contradicted by the Natural world since no such Yuga are found within it.
Devi claimed that Hitler was a 'man against time' to explain away his accomplishments and maintain her apathy.

ctd.
ctd.

Devi believes her apathetic nonsense because her understanding of Natural Law was lacking.
The causes of our decline are not cosmic they are internal and well within the power of good men to remedy. We have become so weak because we have failed to internalise Natural Law as a moral code. This, combined with material affluence has caused us to degenerate into profligacy and perversion for no better reason than because, in the absence of immediately imposed external limiting/motivating factors, we fall back on internal drives such as simple pain & pleasure with little or no struggle. Such a people are incapable of survival in a world where struggle is mandatory and so they become extinct. No esoteric cosmic law is required for this process, the problem pertains to us, not nature. It IS inevitable that any sufficiently materially advanced Nation will encounter the problem of degeneracy if they lack proper external or internal motivators but this is not an inevitable death, it is a firewall through which a people must pass if they are to truly progress beyond mere material affluence. The whole point of National Socialism is to pass through the firewall and become more, not surrender to degeneracy.
>>755
>>756
>Her idea of the Yuga, especially the Kali Yuga, for instance is that it is a cosmic law that degeneracy happens and is thus inevitable. It is cosmically ordained and all we can do is wait for kalki to set things right in order to have a' golden age'.
This is a good criticism. I believe to an extent (like many non-Abrahamics that civilization and time are to an extent cyclical, but the way many people talk about the Kali Yuga leads only to defeatism. Varg, though he’s more anti-Indo-Aryan than I am it seems, actually made this criticism recently too. I have a physical copy of ‘The Lightning and the Sun’ that I have yet to read so I’ll have to see for myself. I did like her ‘Impeachment of Man’ though.
>>758
I wouldn’t normally bother about her but for the fact that The Lightning & the Sun is touted everywhere. This is what disturbs me, Rockwell and many others apparently loved it but i can barely bring myself to read it out of disgust. Its not that its completely wrong, its that she 'went native' and this coloured her ideas.
The fact that so many don’t appear to notice her defeatism and how it differs from National Socialism is rustling my fucking jimmies no end, especially after having it recommended to me for quite a while by people i thought were switched on.
>>759
I’m sure a lot of the people who recommend stuff like this have never even read it honestly. I get that suspicion a lot when people post those reading-list images on /pol/. I’ll obviously have to read it before I make a final judgement, but I feel like it could be the same as with Miguel Serrano. I’m willing (and do) entertain a lot of esoteric ideas about the black sun and its meaning, the soul, the divine, reincarnation, aliens, etc but after reading parts of the Ultimate Avatar I believe Serrano is legit nutcase
>>756
Hitler certainly accepted a "cosmic law" insofar he maintained there is indeed divinity that maintains a standard for men to follow.

>>758
Varg is a New Attheist LARPer.
>>765
>Hitler certainly accepted a "cosmic law" insofar he maintained there is indeed divinity that maintains a standard for men to follow.
From what I saw in Mein Kampf with all of his talk about Nature and Providence, this is definitely true. Cultured Thug’s video on Hitler’s religious beliefs said much of the same thing. It really reminded me of the concept of dharma as has been discussed in the thread on the Gita (>>448). This makes sense given Hitler’s antipathy towards Christianity. Natural Law was the founding principle of almost every single non-Abrahamic religious and philosophical worldview.
>Varg is a New Attheist LARPer.
Yeah that’s one of my problems with Varg. If I recall correctly he ascribes to the sort of paganism where the gods are either metaphors of archetypes rather than actually existing beings (in some shape or form, even if not anthropomorphic). That’s one of the main reasons why Christians attack us today because they believe it to just be a facade for atheism. I don’t really hate Varg though, mainly because he is raising his kids the right way and gives some good advice. He’s a bit kooky though
Hitler was a failure and using him to defend any point of view means you instantly lose that discussion.

Germany in 1940-1950 was a very different place to any country on the planet today. If you just take an ideology from that era and try to apply it to todays world it won't fit. Any ideology you need to save you must be fit to solve the problems you now face. While Hitler faced degenerates and single mothers he had an ethnically pure population for the most part and the Jews had not fully cemented their power base. Todays world is worse than anything Hitler faced and so we shouldn't rely on his "based gooks" type of philosophy. Doubly so in Japan's case where they are entirely owned by ZOG and can't take a piss without permission from Israel by USA proxy.
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>>765
>Hitler certainly accepted a "cosmic law" insofar he maintained there is indeed divinity that maintains a standard for men to follow.
Agreed, but he didn’t appear to think it was making us degenerate. It would destroy us of we got weak, not because of some hamster wheel cycle.

>>768
>Hitler was a failure . . .
No. Hitler succeeded brilliantly. Simply being defeated by massive overwhelming force on two fronts isn’t failure any more than Thermopylae was a failure. Pic related.
>ns was just for the 1940's goy.
The principles of National Socialism are eternal, in all times and all places.
Natural Law is eternal.
Another problem with Devi was the following:

Quote:
'But, as we have said, that selfishness is manifested in many different ways. It can find expression in that mere lust for personal enjoyment, which characterises the shameless voluptuary; or in the miser’s insatiable greed for gold; or in the individual ambition of the seeker of honours and position; or in the family ambition of the man who is ready to sacrifice every interest in the world to the welfare and happiness of his wife and children. But it can also be brought out in the exaltation of a man’s tribe or country above all others, not because of its inherent worth in the natural hierarchy of Life, but just because it happens to be the tribe or country of that particular man.'

She was focused on universalism over her own people.
She pursued what she would have claimed was 'objective truth' over loyalty to her own blood.
Hitler warned against this in Mein Kampf when he wrote about the need for a degree of subjectivity in our peoples interests instead of being so objective that we forget ourselves.
This doesn’t mean that we are uncritical of our Nation, it means that we place them first over other Nations.
A Nation that wont do this is not long for this world.
>>774
>It would destroy us if we got weak,
fixed
>>768
Hitler had many more successes than failures. He gambled it all for a higher cause and was destroyed in the process, but he risked it all to do what had to be done. In Mein Kampf he made it very clear why conquest of Russia was necessary to the future of German prosperity, and how France was becoming an African state on European soil and how America would be the greatest world threat in the future due to its size and manufacturing power. Looking to the current year, Hitler was remarkably accurate. Germany is a vassal of (((NATO))) and and the (((EU))) (Hitler warned against a European federation of any kind in his second book), France is ~10% Islamic and America is still the greatest superpower. Like >>774 said, there is nothing wrong with the principles of National Socialism themselves, for they are eternal. The thing to be avoided is mechanically applying 1930s solution in a 2010s / 2020s world. The situation is more dire today, and we’ll have to be creative and innovative, but what Hitler stood for, regardless of whether he ultimately failed after being fighting to the very end, is still as powerful as ever. They still fear Hitler for a reason
>>777
wanted to include this pic too
>>758
Not necessarily. The kali yuga also has a time of prosperity for 10,000 years despite being an age of decline. There's cycles within cycles.
>>774
>No. Hitler succeeded brilliantly. Simply being defeated by massive overwhelming force on two fronts isn’t failure any more than Thermopylae was a failure. Pic related.
Hiter did not win and achieve his goals hence a failure. At the end of the day it's simply a matter of who won and who lost. What came before that isn't relevant. He lost, we suffer in a world he lost in. You can say all the things he achieved and you would be correct on those fronts but ultimately he lost. And he lost so hard he enabled his enemies to completely take over the world in a strangle grip never seen before. It should be a reminder to all of us that it doesn't matter how hard we try or how far we go, if we don't win then none of it mattered. 6 million wasn't enough.

>>777
Natural law does not always mean national socialism. A libertarian could rightfully argue that capitalism is natural law. Is there any law greater than "I can trade whatever I want to someone else for something they wish to trade for it"? I would argue there isn't. I'm not a libertarian but you're not making an argument but relying on buzz words taken from Hitler again.

Hitler is not feared by the jews, they will bury what they fear. Hitler is the jews greatest ally. How much money has Call of Duty made off of Nazi zombies? Hitler is to the jews what the devil is to a Halloween shop. A little novelty icon to put in the window people will pay to use for a few hours then discard and move on.
>>766
>Hitler
Nationalist Socialism is not a movement for fedoras.

>Varg
He yapped about muh White Turks and backed Muslim invaders who took European slaves. Complained about National Socialism. Repeatedly spewed liberalism friendly talking points against Chrstianity and others.

There is no aid from his ilk. The path to pre-Abrahamic teachings is from men like Aristotle.
>>790
Man fixes car.
Car works pretty well.
Three pricks smash car with sledgehammers in spite of the man's heroic attempts to stop it.

Defeat isn’t the same as failure.
Failure is having all the time, resources & power to accomplish your goals and being unable to do so. Not because of external factors but because of the inadequacy of yourself or your ideas. Communism for instance.

>Natural law does not always mean national socialism.
Similar ideas do exist, Stoicism and Taoism spring to mind.
Liberalism is NOT one of them. Neither is capitalism.
>Is there any law greater than "I can trade whatever I want to someone else for something they wish to trade for it"?
I can take whatever i want from you because i have more power than you.
>you're not making an argument but relying on buzz words
How would you know, pat?
>Hitler is not feared by the jews,
The behaviour of the jew from 1933 to the present day proves you wrong.
But the issue isn’t fear. Its truth. National Socialism is Truth.
>>790
>Hitler is not feared by the jews, they will bury what they fear. Hitler is the jews greatest ally.
Hitler has been buried. NPCs know nothing about the real Adolf Hitler, and unless you were born redpilled you’ve likely been through the process of discovering that everything you knew about this man is fabricated, exaggerated or just flat out lies. This popular image of Hitler is used as the boogieman of the Jews, used to silence literally any and all criticism of the Jews. Why do they use this “pure evil” Hitler caricature like this? – because they’re terrified of another man like Hitler arising (Kalki) and finishing what Hitler started. They present Hitler as a power-hungry and meth-addled supervillian with one testicle who wanted to genocide everyone without blond hair and blue eyes and expel Jews for no reason to make him seem insane, irrational, evil. There’s a reason why Jewtube scrubs all Hitler speeches off Youtube, or why in many countries buying Mein Kampf is illegal, or impossible to get without extremely heavy (((annotations)))
>>755
I don't disagree with her being an esoteric Hindu. Her works are also repetitive and not as in-depth as I would like. And, actually, as I read her works, >>775 about loyalty to her own blood came to mind. That being said...
>Kalki is a good meme.
>Sun, lightning, and equal parts of either are also good memes. add them to your meditation
>I don't believe Kalki is a passive messiah that one waits around for
>The federal agent reading this post RIGHT NOW is probably the oneamong many chosen to be and acting as the final avatar.
The Kali Yuga can be very blackpilling, but if one looks into it a bit more I don’t think it is as bad as one thinks. We’re not just sitting on our ass waiting for Kalki, because (1) it’s stupid to sit around and be passive when we do have some power to work towards change ourselves and (2) the next avatar ISN’T Kalki. Kalki won’t come for hundreds of thousands of years and is wholly unlike the vast majority of all avatars. He’s literally the manifestation of God with all of his powers and in form (a purnavatara like Krishna or Rama). People like to think of the ten or so main avatars, but the Srimad Bhagatavam (ŚB 10.51.36) states:
<The Supreme Lord said: My dear friend, I have taken thousands of births, lived thousands of lives and accepted thousands of names. In fact My births, activities and names are limitless, and thus even I cannot count them.
https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/10/51/36/

There have been thousands of avatars across the ages, and there will be thousands more to come in the future. Hitler himself was not on the level of Krishna or Rama, he himself I believe was a aveshavatara, a person in whom God manifested his powers in an individual soul and acted through him. The Bhagavad Gita (4.7-8) gives the impression of more frequent incarnations as well:
<Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself. In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium
Keywords to me are “WHENEVER and wherever there is a decline of religious practice” and “I advent Myself millennium after millennium”.

If you want a real blackpill though, remember that all that is material (the inferior energy) is subject to ceaseless change, decay and ephemeral things. I don’t even know whether I’ll be reborn on this planet. This is why it’s best to focus on liberation and becoming an enlightened Aryan siddha while fighting to restore dharma on Earth. The fourteen words don’t fulfill themselves, after all.
>>785
Good point
>>808
I should also add that the Kali Yuga is essentially undeniable at this point. It’s been a pretty steady decline with some ups and downs since the beginning around ~3000 BC. Other civilizations have come far before ours, as advanced as ours today but far more spiritual. Read about the vimanas (flying cars) of the ancient Aryans, the nuclear weapons they possessed and the great flying shields spoken about by the Hopi which could move extremely fast and destroy cities:
>>809
>the Kali Yuga is essentially undeniable at this point
There is no kali yuga. The following post indicates this:
>>756
>The causes of our decline are not cosmic they are internal and well within the power of good men to remedy. We have become so weak because we have failed to internalise Natural Law as a moral code. This, combined with material affluence has caused us to degenerate into profligacy and perversion for no better reason than because, in the absence of immediately imposed external limiting/motivating factors, we fall back on internal drives such as simple pain & pleasure with little or no struggle. Such a people are incapable of survival in a world where struggle is mandatory and so they become extinct. No esoteric cosmic law is required for this process, the problem pertains to us, not nature. It IS inevitable that any sufficiently materially advanced Nation will encounter the problem of degeneracy if they lack proper external or internal motivators but this is not an inevitable death, it is a firewall through which a people must pass if they are to truly progress beyond mere material affluence. The whole point of National Socialism is to pass through the firewall and become more, not surrender to degeneracy.
>>808
>We’re not just sitting on our ass waiting for Kalki,
Maybe someone should have mentioned that to Devi?
Quote:
'There are no activities in “modern” life which are not futile, save perhaps those that aim at satisfying one’s body’s hunger: growing rice, growing wheat, gathering chestnuts from the woods or potatoes from one’s garden. And the one and only sensible policy can but be to let things take their
course and to await the coming Destroyer, destined to clear the ground for the building of a new “Age of Truth”' (The Lightning & the Sun)
>>825
You make it sound like Savitri Devi just sat around on her ass waiting for Kalki all day when in reality she was heavily involved in National Socialist organizations and even had a founding role in the World Union of National Socialists (WUNS) which was organized by men from many different countries like George Lincoln Rockwell and Colin Jordan. You’d be surprised how many contacts she had with people like Otto Skorzeny, Hans-Ulrich Rudel and others. Right after the war in the Western-occupied zones she was arrested for handing out thousands of leaflets telling Germans to stay loyal to Hitler and to resist the Allies. She was no defeatist and this is indicated in her own actions, regardless if she thought that ultimately that this was an age of decline.

There’s no authentic Vedic spirituality that tells you just to sit their and cry about how everything is pointless and that no action should be taken on Earth. The Gita is all about the necessity of doing one’s own duty and taking action for the upholding of dharma, and how these are compatible with liberation.

The real attitude towards a truly heroic spirit must take towards the Kali Yuga is laid out in Evola’s Metaphysics of War. He says that at dark, tragic and discouraging moments of life it is necessary to discover within ourselves either a hidden providentiality or an appeal to our nobility and superiority. He quotes Seneca who says:
<“‘Who is worthy of the name of Man, and of Roman,’ Seneca writes precisely, ‘who does not want to be tested and does not look for a dangerous task? For the strong man inaction is torture. There is only one sight able to command the attention of even a god, and it is that of a strong man battling with bad luck, especially if he himself challenged it’”
Evola writes then how despairing over being born in the last age (Kali Yuga, Wolf Age, Age of Iron, etc) was foreign to Tradition. In the Indo-Germanic traditions in particular it was those who, in the dark age, resist in spite of everything, will be able to obtain fruits which those lived in more favorable, comfier periods would seldom be able to reach.

Nihilism and depression in the face of impermanence is a result of abandoning spirituality and transcendent truths.
popular opinion; Indian religions do not belong in a white ethno state and you niggers need to go shit some where else.
>>838
>Indian religions
Remember that Aryans formed the ruling castes of much of India, Iran, Pakistan and Nepal for centuries until they were gradually racemixed out (due to a corruption in the caste system and an acceptance of female hypergamy among the lower castes). Siddharta Gautama, the Buddha, was a white Aryan man described repeatedly as having deep blue eyes. Evidence from the earliest existing Sanskrit scriptures likewise speak of Indra (Thor) hating swarthy skin, protecting the Aryan color and killing hordes of dark-skinned tribal peoples (pic related). Even the mutt Indians of today with their corrupted religion of Hinduism, such as Bal Gangadhar Tilak, recognize that the Vedic literature IS NOT OF INDIAN ORIGIN – hence why he wrote ‘The Arctic Home in the Vedas‘ in 1903 from evidence within the Vedas and Avesta. This clearly points to a Hyperborean / Thulean origin if one reads the book (there’s an English translation published by Arktos).
There is literally nothing wrong with anyone race-mixing
>>839
I don't care about "Aryans" or whatever larp term you wish to apply to different ethnic groups. I care about me and my people and introducing mushy spiritualism isn't going to help any. Fuck Hindus.
>>841
Regardless of what you think of the religions themselves, nothing I said in that post is false. All of Indian civilization is the product of ancient white ruling classes. On the topic of spirituality though, a revival in racial and national consciousness would best be paired to an extent with a spiritual dimension. All across the West many people are in a spiritual vacuum. Suicides are up, life is felt to be pointless, organized religion is being rejected. America especially is on the verge of a great Vedic awakening. Pseudo-Vedic concepts have been creeping into Western life for decades now, and for very good reasons. Luckily for Christcucks, much of the story of Jesus can actually be interpreted in an extremely interesting way from a Vedic perspective that is much more plausible than the Biblical narrative before subversion by (((Saul))).

Though, all of what I just said aside, you're 100% that saving our people comes first.
>>844
People do need a spiritual core. There's no denying that. I reject that spiritual core being a shit stained street made for slave classes. Even if you claim it is a white ruling class, it's still a street shitter religion they promoted to their slaves.

>Christcucks
Starting slap fights with the only people breeding enough to keep whites alive isn't a good idea.
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>>845
>I reject that spiritual core being a shit stained street made for slave classes.
Hinduism is the least egalitarian religion on Earth. A transcendent hierarchy of all men is built straight into cosmology itself. In the oldest Aryan written text (i.e. the Rig Veda) we see the story of the sacrifice and dismemberment of the cosmic giant (Purusha Sukta). The Brahmanas (priests) came from the mouth as society’s voice, the Kshatriyas (the warriors) as society’s strength the arms, the Vaishyas (merchants) as the thighs, being society’s support and of course the sudras (serfs, slaves) at the bottom, on which society stands as the feet. Caste was a common institution in all Indo-European / Aryan societies, read up on the Indo-European trifunctional hypothesis. Aryans in India of course had the innovation of a fourth caste, likely resulting from trying to incorporate natives into the hierarchy. Even if one does not literally believe this tale (as I do not), it contains immense truth about hierarchies and how they are part and parcel of Natural Law / Dharma. You need to look beyond what Hinduism is today and back into the world of Tradition and its commonalities with pre-Abrahamic beliefs about the world. As I said in another thread (>>448):
<The foundation of the beliefs and societies of our ancient pre-Abrahamic ancestors was rooted in the concept of Natural Law. In Sanskrit it was called 'dharma', in Pali 'dhamma', in Ancient Greek 'physis', in Avestan Persian 'asha', in Chinese 'tao', for Lithuanian pagans today it's called 'darna' (etymologically related to dharma and dhamma). These beliefs were nearly universally held and seen as the universal ordering principle of the cosmos, axiomatic, universal, eternal and unaltertable. The concept transcends religion itself. Though many of our ancestors neglected their traditions, the same principles never waned.

>Even if you claim it is a white ruling class, it's still a street shitter religion they promoted to their slaves.
That's not how religion worked in the ancient world. People weren't "converted", that's an Abrahamic concept. Membership in a community tradition came with the participation in certain rites and rituals. Hinduism has never been one thing. Some scholars have even questioned whether Hinduism even exists -- is there one God, are there thousands of gods? Are there any gods? Who is the supreme God? -- different "Hindu" schools will tell you different things. The term Hinduism can even encompass atheistic traditions which reject karma, the Vedas, ritualism and supernatural (Charvaka).
https://www.iep.utm.edu/indmat/
Alongside the orthodox traditions, there have always flourished a diverse number of more tribal and ascetic traditions which have doubtlessly corrupted and mutually influenced each other over the millennia.
>Starting slap fights with the only people breeding enough to keep whites alive isn't a good idea.
I have many problems with Christianity, though I would fight for a Christian nation before any other alternative because it is the best thing for our race that is currently available bar some great turn towards other religions that are just as, if not more beneficial. I have great respect for Jesus Christ. Christianity is the most dharmic of all Abrahamic religions, however it too has been subverted through (((councils))) and people like (((Saul of Tarsus))). Jesus was placed on a pedestal and worshiped instead of followed. The earliest Christians were practicers of meditation, vegetarianism and believers in reincarnation, seeking direct spiritual insight (jñāna / gnosis). Jesus spoke to the ignorant Abrahamic masses in simple parables but went into much deeper esoteric depth with his disciples. As an intelligent teacher he taught in accordance with his audience. An Aryan should hate Christianity and love Jesus.

Groups like the Amish and Hutterites are still based since they actually walk the walk and have the highest birthrates.

A good channel to check out:
https://www.youtube.com/user/DharmaNation/videos
>>848
>Jesus spoke to the ignorant Abrahamic masses in simple parables but went into much deeper esoteric depth with his disciples. As an intelligent teacher he taught in accordance with his audience
Forgot to provide my evidence for these: Mark 4:33-34 -
<With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.

Mark 4:10-12
<When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that,“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding
There was an esoteric core to his teachings that the Jews could not understand
>>840
Fuck off Anglo/Amerimutt.
A daughter or son being a homosexual is better than being a racemixer.

You are shaming your lineage either way. At least as fag the child won't be polluting it too.
>>829
She may have been enthusiastic about proselytising her Hindu/National Socialist hybrid but that doesn’t mean the world view she had wasn’t apathetic in itself.
>Evola
We are talking about Devi.
If Devi had hope then she didn’t indicate any in The Lightning & the Sun. Quite the opposite.
>>857
Hard disagree. Race-mixed children overwhelmingly mix with their non-white race, so most pollution is from whites-to-non-whites, much less if from non-white-genes to white genepools. On the other hand gays reproduce through molestation and pedophilia. So you not only birthed a faggot, but a pedophile too.
>>839
The Aryans that invaded India mongrelised themselves out of existence. They failed both biologically & spiritually. Not because they were overcome by a greater force or perverted by the jew, but by their own weakness, profligacy & complacency. They and their ideas are an example of what not to do and should be viewed with this in mind.
>>840
Hybrid vigour is a myth.
>>857
Its like asking what type of shit i would prefer to eat.
>>857
All women are dykes. Women are sexual mercenaries and will munch a rug if it benefits them to do so. Be it in a harem or in our times where being a dyke is highly rewarded. They will come back to men to get pregnant but that doesn't mean they stop being sexually flexible.
>>857
>A daughter or son being a homosexual is better than being a racemixer.
Disagree, personally. Homosexuals are abominations that are often disease vectors or pedophiles. If I had a son or daughter who racemixed and had mixed children it's at least likely that they'd be a somewhat normal person outside of what they did. I'd be upset about both, honestly, but at least if they were a racemixer I wouldn't feel the need to honor kill. I can at least show my face in public if I had a racemixer kid, I can't imagine having one of my kids turn homo or have himself be pumped full of hormones. This post >>859 makes a good point when he says "Race-mixed children overwhelmingly mix with their non-white race, so most pollution is from whites-to-non-whites, much less if from non-white-genes to white genepools" too. The best solution is to have five plus kids to mitigate the risk of having your entire line die out or be polluted due to one fuck-up kid.
>>858
>She may have been enthusiastic about proselytizing her Hindu/National Socialist hybrid but that doesn’t mean the world view she had wasn’t apathetic in itself.
Does it really matter if she may have inwardly felt that way but still outwardly, in real life, proselytized National Socialism? She obviously didn't force her views onto WUNS since it was a normal National Socialist organization. Matt Koehl and George Lincoln Rockwell were both her associates and were not Hindu (though they may have been esoteric) and had no problems working with her.
>We are talking about Devi.
The first part of my post was Devi-centric, the next, starting where I said "There’s no authentic Vedic spirituality that tells you just to sit their and cry about how everything is pointless and that no action should be taken on Earth..." is a more broad perspective on the real view one should take, which was well-illustrated by Evola.
>>860
>The Aryans that invaded India mongrelised themselves out of existence. They failed both biologically & spiritually. Not because they were overcome by a greater force or perverted by the jew, but by their own weakness, profligacy & complacency.
You are correct. While people innately have some sort of racial awareness, without the backing of modern racial science, we can see why the Aryan rule of India was eventually corrupted. If we read the Laws of Manu we see that cross-caste marriages are condemned, but (and this is the fatal flaw / corruption in this system), if they are to occur '''then those which the man is of the higher caste than the woman are better than marrying down as a man". Men likely started racemixing with natives. Sanatana Dharma (the real term for Hinduism) is celebrated by many fascists and esotericists not because it is from India, but because of things that I have said elsewhere in this thread and because at the core it is a tradition which represents (albeit in a semi-corrupted form) one of the last unbroken chains of non-Abrahamic Aryan religion (Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Zoroastrianism) and together with "extinct" pagan traditions holds many eternal truths that did not fade merely because of corruption or a break in the traidition, as was said in better detail here >>448

There are tens of millions of people in the West who have already began to fall under the influence of eternal Vedic truths or practices, whether they know it or not. We see these with the growing numbers of vegetarians, practitioners of yoga, meditation, those who believe in karma or reincarnation (over 20% of American Christians) or the readers of Vedic scriptures such as the Bhagavad Gita.
https://www.pewforum.org/2009/12/09/many-americans-mix-multiple-faiths/
Ultimately, however we must not look narrowly at India but instead at the vast literature of pre-Abrahamic times from across the globe to come back in touch with our roots
>>871
The Indian street shitter is okay with mixed race kids. Who knew?
>>881
Have fun with your homosexual or tranny kids. Neither are good, but if I had to choose one
>at l-least they're white
>>882
How about I pick none of the above instead?

Why wouldn't you be ashamed that your daughter or son fucked a nigger?
>>884
>How about I pick none of the above instead?
Obviously that's what everyone who's a racialist, myself included, wants to happen. I was merely replying to >>857 who was probably replying indirectly to >>840 . I don't want my future children to have any involvement with niggers or any other non-whites, but if one of the two were to unfortunately occur I'd much rather have a child racemix than become a sodomite. There is nothing more shameful to a man than having his kid turn into a sodomite degenerate.
>>885
Sodomites come from child abuse. You're saying you would rather you child be gang raped by queers than have one fuck a nigger willingly.
>>890
>You're saying you would rather you child be gang raped by queers than have one fuck a nigger willingly.
No? I said the exact opposite
>>884
I would, but I would be less ashamed if it was my son and it was any other race but niggers, abos and jews.
>>871
>Does it really matter if she may have inwardly felt that way
The issue i was raising here >>755 & >>756 was that Devi wasn’t, at least by the time of writing TL&TS, a National Socialist.
She argued against meaningful change through human action and even against simple racial loyalty (>>775) in favour of an esoteric, universalistic creed. Yet Devi is Lauded by us seemingly uncritically? Rockwell understood National Socialism very well and i recommend White Power as a good basic intro. But apparently he was a fan of her work.
>>87
I'm kinda borderline, so long post:

I'm closer to Fascism pre-Nazi alignment than to National Socialism.

I'm probably 75% in agreement with Fascism and would support a Fascist party even if they wouldn't accept me as a direct member.

I think compassion is important, though it must be within a framework of protection of a civilization. Democracy being a problem because it allows it to burst that boundary.

Race-mixing depends on what the races involved actually are.

I think the "Out of Africa" theory is correct and I draw certain conclusions from this.

I only really HATE africans and abos; afros are very distinct and don't even contain any neanderthal mix, instead mixing with other archaic humans which makes them very different from most other races, and even though abos contain some of this out of Africa legacy, they have regressed to a disgusting animal vermin like state through extreme isolation in Australia.

Other races have their high quality portions, but blacks are virtually not worth it all besides MAYBE the Igbo and some isolated tribes that have brainmaxxed and goodbehaviormaxxed, but that's only relative to the general African level.

The vast majority of direct racial problems are caused by blacks, with most other problems being to do with belief systems.

Some middle eastern peoples are very high genetic quality, and some are very low due to cousin marriage, so the middle east is a mixed bag genetically so long as Islam is removed from our countries.

Other races are in theory reformable so long as the state maintains a civilization promoting or white behaving majority of high genetic quality, which in almost all cases would be white anyway.

Race mixing if it happens should be between current racial majority men and high tier women of other races and NEVER between men of other races and our women. This matches pre-modern traditional race mixing which involved our conquering men going out and taking wives for themselves among a conquered population. It should always be scrutinized by the state in a way that a clearly white to white mix would not be.

The Jewish problem is less about their genes and more about their culture of revenge, which must be utterly destroyed.

Generally speaking Jews should be sent to Israel (in most cases).

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but the advantage of an autocracy is actually that policies can be more extreme where needed but also LESS extreme where needed, because a dictator can be nuanced about implementation without worrying about democratic processes inching things ever further in one direction or another. Things can simply be set a certain way and remain like that. This is important for economics and also race policy. You can give room to breathe precisely because the major civilizational questions have an unmovable answer.
>>929
I also accidentally redditspaced, which is pretty unpopular.
Anyone who unironically uses "Christcuck" can't be taken seriously and outs himself as either a porn/pony/ugly cartoon watching fedora, a LARPagan who takes Varg seriously, or just some pajeet/nig/other mud who hates Whitey and his civilization.
>>932
>Anyone who unironically uses "Christcuck" can't be taken seriously
How is saying that any different than when someone types “LARPagan”, or some other shitpost-equivalent of a term used for a group? (just like you used when you said “pajeet” or “whitey”)

The term “christcuck” is used for a very good reason because they believe that some arrogant Jewish demon, Yahweh, is the creator of all that exists even though he’s shown time and time again that he’s a merely localized desert godlet who for thousands of years sent prophets, Jesus included, exclusively to the Jews to the exclusion of all goyim. Jesus himself went around calling gentiles “dogs” (Matthew 15:21-28) and explicitly instructed his disciples not to associate with or heal goyim (Matthew 10:5-8). (((Saul of Tarsus))) himself makes it clear that the earliest Christians were all thieves, homosexuals and adulterers that Jeebus has saved as well (1 Corinthians 6:9-12).

Based Emperor Julian called them out on that:
<Do you see that he says that these men too had been of such sort, but that they "had been sanctified" and "had been washed," water being able to cleanse and winning power to purify when it shall go down into the soul? And baptism does not take away his leprosy from the leper, or scabs, or pimples, or warts, or gout, or dysentery, or dropsy, or a whitlow, in fact no disorder of the body, great or small, then shall it do away with adultery and theft and in short all the transgressions of the soul?
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Against_the_Galileans

And then we have the Sermon on the Mount, and all of the verses which justify bowing to foreigners and let them live among you with the same rights as actual citizens. This is why we call you cucks. It’s a Jewish religion, intended for slaves and degenerates that glorifies their enslaved status and comes complete with slave ethics (deontological ethics compared to the Aryan / pre-Abrahamic concept of virtue ethics).

The West isn’t dying due to a lack of Christianity, it’s dying due to Late Stage Christianity.
>>933
Stick to the Richard Dawkins. Also:
>ignoring how the Romans ruined their own civlization (conpleye with allowing migrants in) while not being Christians.
>>935
All civilizations are of a cyclical and ephemeral nature. Rome was bound to turn degenerate and fall, just as did Christendom and the West along with it. Still, the fact stands that Christianity is yet another iteration of the Abrahamic aberration, diametrically opposed to anything but itself, as Jewish as ever in spirit. Starting with Judaism the Abrahamic religions mutated into something more cancerous with each new version. It is really no surprise to one who looks upon it from a non-Abrahamic perspective to see that the latest and currently most rapidly growing Abrahamic religion is Baha’i, yet another universalist faith that split off from Islam, this one advocating for world government, race mixing, auxiliary languages, disarmement and also enjoys consultative status with the UN as an official NGO, refusing to proseltyize in Israel of all places. This is Abrahamism for the 21st century
>>932
>>933
Learn bantz or you're an SJW
>>932
No.
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>>955
>Roman Catholic
>Christian
wewlad
>>954
Maybe Cuckchan is more of your type of board if you can’t process anything longer than a sentence
>>956
Roman Catholics aren't Christian?
>>960
One poster does like to write essays which are often pretty excessive TBH.

>Unpopular opinions
I don't see Europeans (White) people winning a race war. I look at the history of fallen empires and they rarely succeed in creating a new ethnic pocket. Like Aztecs became Spics and Romans don't really exist at all any more. Their legacy lives on more in material objects than genetic lineage.

I'm not saying they will become completely eradicated, a mythic race of lost humans. But they will become a small population in isolated areas. Something akin to feather niggers in the US. And that's if we aren't targeted directly by a genocide campaign as the whites in south Africa are. I wouldn't put money against that.
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>>981
Pic related.
>>983
bit larpy but accurate.
>>981
>One poster does like to write essays which are often pretty excessive TBH.
I think essayanon is BO based on how many posts there are like that. I don’t mind too much, better to lead by example and be the change you want to see I guess
>>871
>There are tens of millions of people in the West who have already began to fall under the influence of eternal Vedic truths or practices, whether they know it or not. We see these with the growing numbers of vegetarians
Good news.
>>881
Nothing wrong with that.
>955
E. Michael Jones is such a pants-on-head retard when it comes to anything other than talking on the Jews. He does highlight a good problem with the term 'white' though. For those outside of our circles, they think we're only talking about skin-color, thus they think it weird that Jews aren't white although they have pale skin. The term Aryan is much more accurate than 'white' in my mind. All Aryans are more or less white, but not all white-skinned people are Aryan -- anything but! (see Jews and albino Africans). Plus the term ārya from which Aryan is derived means 'noble', the top three varnas, master, honorable, etc.

People should have stopped listening to this spiritual semite the moment he claimed that Africa would be on par with Europe today if only they had the Catholic Church. Fucking lol. Also I swear I've heard EMJ lament the fact that "blacks" flooded into white ethnic neighborhoods. I never hear him say that there is no such thing as black. Really makes me think.
>>980
Pay no attention to intra-Abrahamic squabbles.
>>989
>>990
I like effort posts and some times they're a good read. But his religious ones get on my nerves a little. Just a bit too long and out there for me. I wouldn't tell him to stop though.

>>992
The problem with Aryan is Jews have poisoned that well to shit. Aryan is now blonde haired blue eyed nazi experiement. I personally reject all the large labels and rely on ethic nation labels. English, French, German, Amerimutt :^)
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>>994
>I personally reject all the large labels and rely on ethic nation labels. English, French, German, Amerimutt :^)
>Amerimutt
This is why I envy Euros as an American myself. Everyone who hasn't completely swallowed the Cultural Marxist propaganda has an idea of what constitutes the protypical Englishman, Frenchmen, German, etc but the term 'American' is far more vague was prone to be subverted, which, to no one's surprise, it was. To be American today is to belong to a meaningless club where anyone can become a member to the average normalfag. Like I said in another thread >>491 :
<The final redpill (which is tinged black) is that America is not a nation, but rather a muddled jumble of overlapping, intertwined and competing sub-nations (white, black, Hispanic) within a forced political union, not a true organic nation. A Jewish potpourri. The kikes have made the full nation solution (i.e. America wide) increasingly unlikely, especially since 1965.
>>1003
Hasn't the US been under a state of tyranny since the end of the yank civil war? The states which wished to live int heir own ways were forced at gun point to bow to the federal government? Can't have Swedenistan in the USA if everyone has to bow to the north.
>>1004
Murica already compromised on its demographics (see the Irish). The country was tainted from the start and it only got worse, Clown World Capital was unavoidable.
>>1005
Wasn't it already nigger infested by then?
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>>987
Yer mums larpy.

Unpopular opinion:
Many Italians, Greeks & Spaniards are clearly mutts.
There, i said it.
>>1003
>>1004
>>1005
>>1006
>>1008
In this race i think only the native americans won, even if by not playing the game at all.
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>>1005
>The country was tainted from the start
Sad but true. As I get more and more redpilled I have begun to see the US itself as a mistake, given the fact that its ideals were the product of a group of deist Freemasons and classical liberals who gave civil rights to Jews from the get-go and made the very documents today that are used to justify all sorts of degeneracy under the name of "muh freedum". Jacques Ellul does a good job in The Technological Society is describing how these very measures that were meant to free the individual (by destroying natural groups such as the family and other close-knit groups and promoting individuals) in reality enslaved and atomized them, which is exactly what we see today in America and the rest of the West.
>>1006
Niggers are at least tolerable and usefulif they are kept under control, as they were when slavery was still an institution. At least we had a use for them then. When slavery was finally abolished we should have sent them all back immediately either to Africa or somewhere in South or Central America. It's way too difficult to totally get rid of niggers in the current year if we're being serious. The Northern capitalists though wanted to destroy the South and slavery though. They saw its end as a way to get more more-profitable wage-slaves and economic development

Based Prabhupada knew that blacks were completely ignorant and born-slaves:
<Śūdra is to be controlled only. They are never given to be freedom. Just like in America. The blacks were slaves. They were under control. And since you have given them equal rights they are disturbing, most disturbing, always creating a fearful situation, uncultured and drunkards. What training they have got? They have got equal right? That is best, to keep them under control as slaves but give them sufficient food, sufficient cloth, not more than that. Then they will be satisfied.
https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1977/feb?d=1
>>1010
natives lost, not a single tribe left is pureblood anymore
>>1011
The csa was financed entirely by jews and slaveowner were jewish, the only reason why the mason-Dixon is because the north didn't want niggers in there states, then the south tried to push slavery to the western territories which caused civil confrontations within the territories.
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>>932
Your religion encourages mix racing
>>790
>How much money has Call of Duty made off of Nazi zombies?
Shelteredfag here.
Did the original CoD zombies feature nazis or was this DLC? I fell out of vidya almost a decade ago.
>>1983
Yes, it was Nazis from the get-go. Only later did it branch out into Soviets, Japanese soldiers and really everyone else. The main focus has always been Nazis though.
>>1417
Acts 17:26
>>2013
>Acts 17:26
Here we go again
<From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.
Yes, goy, all humans have one source. Even pagans like Julian the Apostate laughed at this claim in antiquity. Also it's funny how your Jew-book is so liable to differing interpretations that I've actually found a pro-immigration interpretation of this very same verse which you conveniently cut off mid-sentence:
<And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
<27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
This site says this in relation to the verses above
<Acts 17:26-27 recognizes that the movement of peoples is part of God's plan to draw the world to God's self
https://wesleyan.org/border-stories-six-myths-about-immigration-part-two

Simply lol. Also, even if you were to stand firm on this verse, let us not forget what else the Bible says:
Genesis 23:4
>I am a foreigner and stranger among you. Sell me some property for a burial site here so I can bury my dead.

Deuteronomy 10:19
>And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.

Deuteronomy 27:19
>Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.

Exodus 12:49
>The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.

Exodus 23:9
>Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt.

Hebrews 13:2
>Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.

Leviticus 19:33-34
>When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt.

Romans 10:12
>For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile – the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.

Galatians 3:28
>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus

Christianity is incompatible with Fascism.
>>1011
>the US itself as a mistake
I disagree. The principles the U.S were founded upon is definitely inherently bad but the majority of patriots fighting against the crown did not care for these principles so much as other factors. After all, most of them wouldn't be able to vote even in the new republic.
Instead I would argue that it was destiny that we forged our own path in this world as a nation. This continent inherently changed us, even before the current demographic replacement you could see stark differences in American sensibilities in comparison to the rest of the anglosphere. The "why" of the matter doesn't concern me so much as the result. Yes, if Americans continue down the path of liberalism this nation will have died just as many before it did. We already see the dilution of blood and the bastardization of the meaning of being American with the "nation of immigrants" rhetoric floating around. Whereas back then it was understood that only certain Europeans could integrate and eventually be assimilated into the greater anglo population, now will allow even the lowliest of niggers to be citizens. However, it's not completely lost yet. There is still time to come from the brink of destruction and cast off the liberal values of America. It will inherently change the structure of the nation but the nation as a whole will still exist (the nation being white Americans not swarthy/black pretenders) in terms of the people living to see better days before them.
>>87
>unpopular opinions
I hate having the bleeding brown girl as a mascot and would much rather have an Uncle pol type figure as a mascot instead.
>>932
You do know Jesus said agape your enemy so you beret get started on agape kikes, shitskins, etc
>>2131
Gay
gtfo /pol/
>>2131
Gay
gtfo /pol/
>>2566
The version with this song is much better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw
>>2567
here ya go brother!
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>>2131
>I hate having the bleeding brown girl as a mascot
Are you gay?
My unpopular opinions:

-abolish law enforcement and prison; suffering, predation and criminality are beneficial in moderation; law enforcement causes dysgenia by reducing the gene pool and eliminating useful traits; makes life too safe, unchallenging and boring

-Western and Northern Europeans are too idealistic and obsessed with idealogy, probably a result of above dysgenia

-I am unimpressed with Hitler and recognize he held relatively generic views and came to power because of the lack of a more competent alternative

-At this point, I'm looking forward to the fall of the West positively. It's been coming for a long time now and has been caused by the effeminate Western morality that parades as "Traditionalism and Natural Order" on one side and unrestrained altruism and obsession with "productivity" on the other
>>2572
nah, he's just not a low IQ racemixer
>>2574
>I am unimpressed with Hitler and recognize he held relatively generic views and came to power because of the lack of a more competent alternative
I honestly have a hard time imagining a person more competent than Hitler. Just looking at the history of similar nationalist movements from that time until present day no one even approaches Hitler in stature and capabilities. He was one of those extremely rare men who are only born every few hundred years. His inspirational speaking ability, his achievements in uniting the German Volk on a transnational scale and his vision for Germany are unmatched. He was a true man against time. He admitted that he would not be the one to finish the job though, in a 1928 speech I believe. That will be left to "Kalki", the one who will act with ruthless violence in service of restoring the eternal cosmic order.
>I'm looking forward to the fall of the West positively.
ACCELERATE
>>2575
>he thinks Integralist-chan is for racemixing with
She keeps her bloodline pure.
>>2576
I understand your point, but to me, Hitler was charismatic, but 1 dimensional. He was of above average intelligence, but not by much, his ideas were either retreads or reformulations, was not Machievellian or endowed with finesse, not an original thinker, just a forceful one. Essentially, a slightly bigger fish in a nation depleted of quality human resource.

And no, I don't mean accelerationism, I'm just genuinely bored with Western civilization and our unfortunately mediocre race. It's run its course and I'm looking forward to the next phase of our journey as a people. Hopefully, we can learn from the mistakes I outlined briefly in >>2574 and reach a higher level of potential; destruction is creation and creation is destruction.
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>>2576
is that why she is brown? because she is pure? fucking LOL shitskin, you will never be White
Trump is the last hope of white race. We need to vote for him again in 2020 to have a chance.
>>2584
She’s brown because she triggers retards like you.
>>2585
I've started to feel like a Trump loss would actually be more beneficial to us in the long term. I don't think Trump is doing shit to help our race. He's just not making things worse than they already are right now -- and where we're heading right now at the current pace is still on the road to extinction. I might agree with this statement if Trump had actually done anything to help us out. He's done more for Israel than America.
>>2596
>He's just not making things worse than they already are right now
He is, he just appears to be doing nothing.
allowing 1000 page bills with 1 paragraph giving gorillions to kikes is just a resource drain for boomers that might have actually saved something for their children.
At this point I'd support a sanders president for naming-the-jew fodder.
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>>2614
>He is, he just appears to be doing nothing.
On second thought, you are right, I can think of a whole host of bad things that Trump has done that benefit Jews or his oligarch buddies over the people who voted for him. It's this combination of doing nothing when it comes to things like the wall and deportations on the scale that is needed and his eagerness for helping Israel before America that is what is bad for this country.
>At this point I'd support a sanders president for naming-the-jew fodder.
Sadly they'll never let him win
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>>2594
hahah you mean because you're insecure about being brown, let's be honest
>Hitler had no chance of winning, but was still based overall
If Lord Halifax accepted the position to become PM, then he would win. He would not be at war with Britain and thus not have to defend from them in North Africa, Greece and Yugoslavia, and wouldn't have to keep large numbers of troops in France and Scandinavia (occupied solely to defend their neutrality against British aggression a la Iceland). Thus he'd be able to invade Russia, and not only that, but invade it a month earlier. Leningrad would likely be able to have been seized with Finnish help. If the Soviets had to keep their Siberian divisions east to counter Japan, the Germans wouldn't have been pushed back in 1941. Plus, without Allied bombings and British lend lease, Germany would have a much better industry than the USSR. It'd probably capitulate after Belarus Ukraine (plus most of Russia proper west of Moscow), the Baltics, and the Caucasus are completely seized, and in the end Stalin is going to be hit by a revolt, since his grip on the USSR isn't as tight as it was historically. The only problem would be winter equipment for Hitler's soldiers in the cold months, and American lend lease.
>>2633
One can see the Teutonic Brother War continuing today, where then it was Atlanticism and West Germans (Saxe-Coburg England Naval Empire) vs East Germans (Remnants of Holy Roman Empire, Terrestrial Empire) and now it is reversed in Brexit against EU.
>Hitler had no chance of winning, but was still based overall
Being a man “against Time” is tragic yet respectable to the utmost.
Humans are too flawed and should be replaced by robots/androids/AI as part of natural human evolution.
>>2645
Begone transhumanist shill/jew trying to find another way to white genocide.
>>2646
>being unable to stomach opinion on unpopular opinions thread
>ignoring all the retarded opinions on religion ITT
Who said anything about genociding only whites? Biological humans must be dealt with so that there would be no more retards like you that hinder true progress. Human brains are getting smaller since agricultural revolution, this will destroy humanity if we don't use technology to enhance humanity. You're an emotional, flawed being with a flesh fetish, if you truly cared for what's good you would strive to overcome your animal limits.
>>2657
Why would we need robot bodies?

Go to sciencedaily and read up on CRISPR/cas9.
There's no reason we need cybershit when we can use the New Eugenics.
>>2657
Transhumanism seems to be the latest major pilpul and the big lie, an atheist version of Christianity. Humans are seen as "flawed" rather than "sinful" , there is a slavish worship of "god" (AI/technology), and a promise of eternal life (just mortal rather than afterlife). It's the same meme under a different guise. All you need to do in order to be "saved" is believe in (((progress))) and give a 'small' donation to Israeli and Jewish-American biotech companies :>)

Of course, the only way to overcome your animal limits is to embrace Talmud and turn yourself into a robotic insect (a kike). Any AI will be by definition infinitely inferior to even the dumbest of self-conscious and sapient organic creatures. Processing capacity does not change that fact.

Kikes are intentionally putting pressure on human biological flaws so they could sell them transformation into a kike as the only alternative. It's something like Necrons from W40k . It goes in line with their agenda to destroy everything natural/organic and replace it with an inferior, artificial copy.
>>2645
That's an interesting and different unpopular opinion. I'm unsure if its really possible to reproduce the human condition in a non-biological form; maybe a closer image if you can synthesize the 2.

To everyone screaming about Transhumanism: The dude said to move on from a biological basis of conciousness, that's not Transhumanism. Stop diluting the topic and creating strawmen.
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>>2664
Stop derailing the thread! I could care less about this childish shit. This type of garbage should be deleted.
>>2660 >Transhumanism seems to be the latest major pilpul and the big lie, an atheist version of Christianity. Humans are seen as "flawed" rather than "sinful" , there is a slavish worship of "god" (AI/technology), and a promise of eternal life (just mortal rather than afterlife Bingo. Tech-worship is to me little more than a secular millenarian cult. The great utopia to come (analogous to communist workers' paradise or the Kingdom of God) is the Singularity or a fully transhumanist utopia, there are like you said promises of eternal life for the elect and its priests are popsci shills and other techie degenerates. There is nothing more beautiful than the human beings and varieties of life produced by Nature and I think that anyone with a mind should realize that wanting any sort of immortality or robot bodies is only going to end up with a tiny immortal Jewish elite subjugating the goy cattle for eternity. Enjoy your microchips and forced engineering into a perfect race of slaves, goyim. I would suppress these freaks in an ideal society just like tranny shills and other adharmic demoniacs.
>>2658 Chink scientists already used the method on human embryos, results were bad, caused some other defects, leading scientist got vanished. But that's not the real issue. As it is now human brains are still faster than fastest super computer, but it won't stay like that for long, computer technology advances fast. And the nature of biological organisms will always have more to with chance than 100% engineered/mechanical ones since radiation causes mutations to DNA. I would rather trust an immortal AI dictator than a human one that would some day die and leave a power vacuum. >>2660 >>2666 >technology is only for jews You are proof that Idiocracy the movie is becoming a reality. Technology has made our species dumber and only technology can save us from its own negative impacts.
>>2667 >results were bad, caused some other defects Source: your colon
>>2667 >Technology has made our species dumber and only technology can save us Lol
>>2668 I'm not against gene editing, just less optimistic about the current progress. >He later found that CCR5Δ32 homozygous humans who get infected with that virus are more susceptible to severe encephalitis and even death than other people. Some mouse and human studies have also found that CCR5Δ32 homozygotes get more severe symptoms from influenza virus; however, other researchers dismiss this concern, pointing to conflicting epidemiologic analyses. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/08/did-crispr-help-or-harm-first-ever-gene-edited-babies >>2669 I repeat: human brains are getting smaller since agricultural revolution. We are self-domesticating and becoming like cattle in hands of our elites. To remedy this we must enhance humanity artificially.
>>2671 Or you know, eugenics. Selective breeding plus selective culling is proven stuff. >MUH SHOW DOGS THO There's these things called Working Dogs as well. Selective Breeding is not limited to aesthetics. I had a dude awhile back blow himself out by saying that I was wrong to promote selective breeding "because Samoans and Tibetans have special abilities" I can't believe I had to tell him that those are the two most isolated and selectively bred peoples on the planet.
>>2672 Humans and eugenics is a bad idea; the human mind is more complex than an IQ score and eugenia through the years has done more harm than good. High IQ is correlated with low testosterone, low birth rates and higher suicide. See >>2574 Our society has been explicitly been practicing eugenics and now there is a defiency in testosterone, creativity and polymaths. >>2671 Yes, we are overly domesticated, how do you propose artificiality can help? I'm not implying criticism, I am genuinely curious.
>>2673 The only reason high iq is connected with suicide is that smart people see why the world is fucked and how intractable fixing it is when confronted with retards like you. Low T isn't eugenics, it's fucking industrial chemicals and pharmaceuticals that only exist due to consumerism. We don't need computer brains or to become "roided out cavemen" because cavemen weren't stupid. That's an ignorant myth. A Neanderthal could knapp obsidian blades sharper than a surgical scalpel and had more brain volume than homo sapiens. So, to be frank, stfu and read more.
>>2675 1. You don't actually know why intelligent people commit suicide, so you are not able to make such a sweeping claim; pure conjecture. 2. Testosterone, like all physical traits, are decided predominantly by genetics; that is a scientific fact that is long proven. Here is an example: Prisoners in correction facilities have significantly higher testosterone on average despite a poor, highly processed, state provided diet; they also have higher drug rate usage, another factor proven to reduce testosterone. By your theory, they should be in line with the general population but they are not. Nor are "all-naturalists" who grow their own food and abstain from pharmaceuticals shown to have higher aggression; again by your theory, these people should be, but they're not. This alone is enough to invalidate your "consumerism" claim. I believe what goes into a human body will indeed influence it, but your proposal of it being the prime cause is demonstrably false. Furthermore, it is ironic that someone advocates eugenics in one post and then takes a Marxist, environmentalist stance to human causality and effect in the next. Quite a hefty self-contradiction that does not inspire confidence or convey competence.
>>2675 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180419100119.htm Stop trying to pass off turds from your colon.
>>2677 >Furthermore, it is ironic that someone advocates eugenics in one post and then takes a Marxist, environmentalist stance to human causality and effect in the next. Quite a hefty self-contradiction What is particularly marxist about it? What is contradictory? Did you actually do any research on fascism before wandering in here to troll?
>>2679 Man, you are bouncing around from strawman to ad hominem at breakneck speed. You think Low T isn't genetics and by extension eugenics, but it factually is; you think that Low T is by your own claim, solely the result of environmental influence. Then, you know IQ is genetics and want to influence that through eugenics. So, you discount the effect of genetic influence on one hand in favor of the pure environmentalism of Marx, then tout eugenics and genetics on the other; which is a biological stance. This is a self-contradiction, it has nothing to do with cavemen, multimorbidity, understanding fascism and every strawman you've been producing. If you were mature, you would be a man, admit your error and cease the infantile name calling.
>>87 >>Islam is actually pretty based and Islam minus Africanization would be a net benefit to the West Islam - Africanization = pre-subverted Western Christianity >a net benefit to the West Yes it kept up the birthrates too.
>>2684 Do you mean Behaviorism? I also provided a source for one of my claims. I can produce more. You can't produce even one because you're a lying kike
>>2686 That's not a source, that's just some multi morbid effects of low testosterone. We're talking about what is the prime cause of low testosterone, not the effects of low T. If you want sources, I'll give them to you, although I don't know why, because you seem very dense and incapable of admitting a mistake or listening to anyone that differs from you. I'm on my phone right now and work the rest of the day, so I'll post sources on my day off, tomorrow. Rather generous, since you're intent on giving me reasons to lose patience with your childish antics. You only call me a lying kike out of belligerent immaturity; ultimately my genetic argument about testosterone is in favor of producing harder and more cognitively diverse White Men by abolishing the criminal justice system and its dysgenic effects; two things I strongly doubt any Zionist or their shabbos goys wish for.
>>2673 >Humans and eugenics is a bad idea; the human mind is more complex than an IQ score Eugenics is not just about IQ scores >eugenia through the years has done more harm than good Stop pulling things out of your ass, letting retards having babies is retarded, retard. >Our society has been explicitly been practicing eugenics and now there is a defiency in testosterone, creativity and polymaths. All animals practice eugenics in a sense that we don't fuck the first retard we come across. To my knowledge out society(whatever you mean by this) hasn't been practicing eugenics as a government policy since WW2. >how do you propose artificiality can help? Retards are easier to control than non-retards, how do we have less retards? By enhancing people to be less retarded. Its not rocket science. >>2677 >Testosterone, like all physical traits, are decided predominantly by genetics; that is a scientific fact that is long proven So fallowing your logic eugenics can be used to fix this testosterone problem, since it is genetic, thanks for proving yourself wrong.
>>2687 You seriously need to go back to ESL class you blithering hillbilly
>>2685 That's just the Bible. It's not what Christianity actually teaches, because Christianity isn't based on the Bible, it's based on metaphysics and theological exegesis that tries to apply those metaphysics TO the Bible, i.e. PILPUL. So stuff like the trinity doctrine, "Christmas ham", the consumption of alcohol during communion, etc. are all justified by Christian theology. What you're describing is basically a form of Arianism (explicitly denying the trinity), in-fact it's basically what the original Nazarenes believed. Also, Muslims smoke all the time, it's just that many of them oppose it for hygienic reasons, not because of the religion. I've known many Saudis who smoked pretty often.
>>2693 >>pre-subverted Christianity > It's not what Christianity actually teaches. > it's basically what the original Nazarenes believed. > it's basically what pre-subverted Christianity actually teaches. (((It))) can't help outing itself.
>>2694 What do you mean by pre-subverted Christianity? 1st century Nazarenes? Because that's what I'm talking about, it's not really "Christianity" at all in that it didn't have Christian theology. Pre-Constantine? Untrue considering there were a lot of monastics who preached pacifism and that the Old Testament is gone, and who actually believed Plato was taught by Moses. Medieval era? Closest thing you might get, but it preaches the trinity doctrine, and preached the eternal soul and asceticism, which hardly conflicts with having multiple wives and high birthrates, also still kept pork. And there were plenty of people just like modern Christians back in the medieval era, like Maximus the confessor and Joachim of Fiore. The former taught SJW-tier gender equality, the latter worshipped the "Holy Spirit" and claimed that in the future, a monastic society rooted in reified abstractions would replace Roman Christianity.
>>2666 Satan trips of truth. Just like in semitic religions, the salvation is not going to come for the great majority of people, and they will be consigned to hell instead. Just in a literal, materialistic, sense. All those useful idiots who promoted and developed this Talmudic scheme, will have their freedom of choice completely taken away from them (which is the kikes' endgame as well). Not that they believe in it anyway since they are genetic robots/golems. I'm all for making power armors and neural enhancement interfaces though. As well as weapons for exterminating subhumans with extreme prejudice. >>2667 > I would rather trust an immortal AI dictator Slave mentality at it's finest >Idiocracy No greater idiots than those falling for such scams under the delusion of being wise >>2672 Proper eugenics is the only way because people dealing with gene editing don't really understand what they are tampering with. There are a lot of hidden variables that Jewish science (a theoretical framework under which they are working on) cannot account for. >>2673 Proper eugenics would be far more complex than just selecting people for high IQ. It would involve tons of factors, different types of perception/intelligence, etc. And it would take many generations to start giving the results. But the results would be very solidified and beta-tested by nature itself, rather than a bunch of kikes in lab suits.
>>2699 < I would rather trust an immortal AI dictator >Slave mentality at it's finest You do realize that fascism is a totalitarian ideology, right? Where do you think you are. You're just a kike trying to keep white man away from the power of technology.
>>2704 >le totalitarian You have no idea what fascism is aside from the jewish media's idea of it being "top-down control". Fascism is totalitarian in a way that benefits the people, not in that you mindlessly obey it. It's all based on self sacrifice, something a jew like you won't understand. Technology IS jewish. The industrial revolution in America was funded by German jews, A total industrial nightmare where the white man is castrated is the absolute end-goal of transhumanism. We are smarter and stronger without technology, all that is is a tool of slavery.
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>>2705 >Fascism is totalitarian Thanks for reaffirming what i already knew. >Technology IS jewish. Third Reich was the most technologically advanced power on earth at the time, fallowing your logic Third Reich was also the most jewish power at the time. >We are smarter and stronger without technology, all that is is a tool of slavery. Then why are you using a computer instead of siting naked in a forest somewhere? There is no such thing as "jewish science" - just science, all knowledge is power. You are stupid as fuck, lol, pic related.
>>2706 What nonsense. Although the Third Reich was an industrial power, it actively protected its nature, and traditional lifestyles. Manual labour was never eradicated in the state, and improvement of man, not of robots was its primary focus. Despite being a collectivist totalitarian power, the improvement of man was what helped improve the collective. Compare that to communist China for example (this is what you lean towards). Pure industrialisation, pure transhumanism. Its people are like unconscious lemmings, total canon fodder. >Then why are you using a computer instead of siting naked in a forest somewhere? Comparing using computers literally just to talk to people transhumanist nonsense, though both fall into the same quagmire of jewish industrialism is absurd. I plan on abandoning computers too either way. >There is no such thing as "jewish science" - just science, all knowledge is power. >pic related Yeah right. "Power". Why were the slave plantations of the US south able to beat the more "powerful" industrialist north in everything, only losing due to a war instigated by the north? In-fact, how could literal Zoomalis smash the US army in an open city (not even guerrilla fighting) using nothing with just Soviet weapons? Europeans are FAR more intelligent than Somalis. Raw strength, manpower and intelligence beats out technology at any time.
>>2704 Look at it this way, negative liberty that kikes promote is like being free to abuse drugs. Then you become a complete addict who would kill his own parents or sell his ass to get a fix. It's a kind of "freedom" that leads into total slavery. Positive liberty, as championed by Fascism/NS, is about making you good enough to be hard to enslave, a healthy, strong willed, independent thinking man/woman who understands the laws of nature and the necessity of self-sacrifice for long term benefits, as well as understanding that he/she is a part of something greater than himself, without sacrificing his individuality. In "liberalism" (classical liberalism is something else), everyone turns into an NPC thinking identical, kosher thoughts. Which is achieved through a mixture of social pressure and stick and carrot policies. This type of subtle, yet absolutist tyranny has absolutely nothing in common with Fascism. And an "AI god" would be simply it's endgame. It's a physical manifestation of Talmud. Of course, an average NPC like you could hardly understand the difference and just screams LE FASCISM for anything authoritarian. Of course, like a stern, but well intended parent would act "authoritarian" in stopping you from abusing drugs or engaging in other forms of self-destructive and anti-social behavior, so would a fascist state be. And if you are an incurable degenerate, they would disown you and stop wasting resources onto a defective family member. So would any proper state. >>2705 Kikes abusing white man's technology does not mean that technology itself is bad >>2706 Jewish science is a term made for somewhat practical, yet ultimately mathematically unsubstantiated false "science" like relativity. It's one part real science, one part pilpul. But, to a limited extent, it works. Which is enough for NPC's to accept it as ultimate truth. Do you seriously think they would teach you real science (and thus give you power) in schools? No, they want you to know just enough to be useful, but never go further.
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>>2708 >white man's technology False. Look into the actual industrialists of the 20th century themselves and see if they're really "white". Image related is literally why the machine gun was invented (a jew told Hiram Maxim to create a weapon that'd allow Europeans to kill each other far easier). Jews were behind the Manhattan project (Oppenheimer, et. al, though I wouldn't be surprised if nukes are a hoax to begin with) lasers (Theodore Maiman, Zhores Alferov), genetic engineering (Paul Berg, Herbert Boyer, Stanley Cohen), etc. As I said earlier, German jews in America funded the American industrial revolution, though it was started by an Anglo. Supplements for manual labour (modern gyms) were also started by jews, with bodybuilding being a jewish scene through and through. Modern agriculture is also jewish (kibbutzim). Google and Silicon Valley are a mix of jews and spic Catholics, Microsoft was founded by Bill Gates and Paul Allen, but was full of jews when it came out (like Steve Ballmer who was half-Swiss half-jewish, and jewish according to Talmudic law). So really, how much of modern technology that's being abused by jews is white to begin with? It's literally jewish!
>>2707 >implying it wasn't way too early for practical robotics during WW2 era >manpower and intelligence beats out technology at any time Then why the fuck are you arguing against enhancing intelligence? Humans use their intelligence to create and use technology, that is how we stopped being hunted and became apex predators on this planet. Do you want to become an animal again? Its really hard to "debate" emotional sensory types, you're all over the place and making a lot of assumptions regarding my position. Come back when you're ready to make a point. Otherwise have fun with your pre-caveman lifestyle. >>2708 That's all well and good. The only problem i have with fascism is its human factor, its always psychopaths that tend to get up in high positions, how do we ensure that power transitions to those most fit to use it? There are no elections in fascism. Do they fight it out somehow? That's a major weakness in the ideology. >And an "AI god" would be simply it's endgame I disagree, humans are irrational animals, i could never yield to authority of another human. >It's a physical manifestation of Talmud More religious bullshit.
>>2711 >>implying it wasn't way too early for practical robotics during WW2 era Even for its time, Germans still preserved manual labour for their technology. Just compare it to the USSR (wholly industrial) around the same time. >Then why the fuck are you arguing against enhancing intelligence? Technology doesn't enhance intelligence. In-fact the best thing technology did was link the libraries of the world together and create a new, free market of books that you could read online. All these books existed before, it's just the internet that allowed us to view them so easily. That's one thing I specifically like about technology. Now, as my previous point, high technology doesn't increase intelligence. It makes you dumb. When you use a GPS too long, you essentially forget your natural way of navigation, using the stars and celestial bodies. You are smarter and stronger in your natural state without technology, technology domesticates man. You are a lion without technology, you are a pussycat with technology. You don't conquer the world with technology, you let the world conquer you. Unless it (technology) gives you an explicit advantage (for example, drones in warfare), there's no reason to use it. >The only problem i have with fascism is its human factor, its always psychopaths that tend to get up in high positions, how do we ensure that power transitions to those most fit to use it? There are no elections in fascism. Do they fight it out somehow? That's a major weakness in the ideology. You're so dumb it's unbelievable. THE LEADER APPOINTS A PREVIOUS OFFICIAL TO BECOME THE NEXT LEADER. After Hitler's death, he appointed Karl Dönitz to lead the Flensburg governate. If the leader turns out to be bad, he's deposed like Mussolini was.
>>2712 >Even for its time, Germans still preserved manual labour for their technology. Due to limits of automatization. >Just compare it to the USSR (wholly industrial) around the same time. Are you claiming that russian commies were technologically more advanced than germans? That's retarded. Your fetish for manual labor is disturbing, you sure you're not a commy? >Technology doesn't enhance intelligence. Were talking about technology specifically intended for enhancing intelligence here - gene editing, brain implants, etc. Get with the program, dumbfuck. >THE LEADER APPOINTS A PREVIOUS OFFICIAL TO BECOME THE NEXT LEADER. What could prevent the leader to appoints his relative as the next leader? How would such a system be different from North Korean government? >If the leader turns out to be bad, he's deposed like Mussolini was. Deposed by who and how? How is the next leader chosen it this scenario? What if the leader doesn't want to be deposed? I don't think you have thought this through.
>>2713 >Due to limits of automatization. No, I'm saying that they kept traditional work and agriculture alongside having major industrial centres. Are you saying that the Germans would've turned into robots that did no work whatsoever, provided completely by the state if they won or other transhumanistic idiocy? Because that's untrue. Maybe YOU'RE the commie here. >Are you claiming that russian commies were technologically more advanced than germans? That's retarded. No I'm not. I'm saying they were more focused on industrialism than the Germans. Now I know you're American, because no honest-to-God white man would act so stupid. >specifically intended for enhancing intelligence here >gene editing, brain implants No such thing. Any attempt of that as you mentioned is just a bastardised version of eugenics at best (gene editing, which is jewish science by the way), and actually dumbs you down at worst. >What could prevent the leader to appoints his relative as the next leader? Nothing. However, there's nothing in the system that explicitly makes it hereditary. >Deposed by who and how? How is the next leader chosen it this scenario? Like Mussolini, who was deposed by the grand council. The new leader would be appointed by the party itself, the reason why that didn't happen in the 1940s is because the treason of Italy led to a new Allied conquest and the German occupation from north leading to the Italian Social Republic, and de-facto German control. >What if the leader doesn't want to be deposed? He's deposed against his own will. If he can gather up a party to reinstall him into power, then he might try to perform a coup, but then he's operating outside the system itself.
>>2712 >You don't conquer the world with technology, you let the world conquer you. W E W
>>2715 You do realise that the Indians not only had rifles and horses themselves, but that the invading settlers were similarly equipped to the Indians, practically relying on rifles and horses exclusively (even artillery was rare)? They didn't use industrial weapons or vehicles during manifest destiny because there was no way to bring them to the west. It's their superior military strategy that led to the conquest of the west. It just so happens to be that "Guns, Germs, and Steel" is not only an academic book, it's absloutely wrong.
>>2716 I've never seen someone so prey to the Genetic Fallacy. I sincerely hope you the best of luck in your future endeavors, friend.
>>2714 >Are you saying that the Germans would've turned into robots that did no work whatsoever No. There is such a thing as economic feasibility, you can keep manual labor as a form of recreation, but you can't prop your countries economy on outdated methods, other countries would out-compete you. > I'm saying they were more focused on industrialism than the Germans. Guess who lost the war. >No such thing. Technology has a tendency to advance, people used to say that flight is impossible, they were wrong. >Any attempt of that as you mentioned is just a bastardised version of eugenics Huh? Where exactly did i mention that? >jewish science No such thing, there is just science. Just like there is no social justice, just justice. No hate facts, just facts. No gay, women or black rights, just rights. >actually dumbs you down at worst On what exactly do you base this hypothesis? On technology that isn't even implemented on humans to enhance intelligence yet? As it is now, to my knowledge, gene editing on humans has been done only to increase resistance to HIV. >grand council I'll have to read up on that. You actually said something that might make me formulate a new opinion. Till then, fool.
>>2689 1. Of course, Eugenics is not just about IQ scores; the poster I replied to was speaking of eugenics and intelligence; strawman. 2. What's your definition of retarded? Someone with a low IQ? Mental disability? Someone with such poor social skills they call someone a retard at the start of their reply because they lack emotional control and maturity? 3.Society has absolutely been practicing eugenics and by extension, dysgenics by policy. What do you think war, the justice system and "anti-racism" actions are? The elimination of sets of traits. 4. "By enhancing people to be less retarded" is not the vague, low-effort answer I was looking for. I was looking for specific technical details and theory. 5. What a strawman; no, I said to remove eugenic pressures not utilize them. >>2690 Patience depleted
>>2717 Not the genetic fallacy or any fallacy. It's simply because the military organisation of the white settlers was greater than that of the Indians. They were literally equal technologically since trade got them rifles and horses. >>2718 >you can't prop your countries economy on outdated methods, other countries would out-compete you. This is proven wrong with the US south and the US north in the 19th century. The south's slave plantations were actually beating out the north's factories, and the north wanted to take them out. >Guess who lost the war. The Soviets won the war because of lend-lease and the reintroduction of the western front, plus the fact that the Germans had a 1 month delay due to fighting the Brits in Greece and Egypt. Not due to industrial manpower alone, especially considering that before the war, their tanks were actually superior to that of the Germans. >Technology has a tendency to advance, people used to say that flight is impossible, they were wrong. Gene editing as it is is basically a bastardised version of eugenics, as I said. >Huh? Where exactly did i mention that? When you mentioned gene editing and brain implants. >On what exactly do you base this hypothesis? On technology that isn't even implemented on humans to enhance intelligence yet? Not about gene editing, but brain implants, it ruining your natural intelligence.
>>2710 Kikes are notorious for stealing/buying theories, patents and technologies from others and then trying to pass them as their own. Yes, they made a big chunk of industrialists at the time (just like they do today) and they steered the development of technology to fulfill their goals. The industrial revolution was quintessentially Jewish and Talmudic. However, the industry, or the technology itself are not. They could also be utilized in a different direction, as we have seen in NS Germany. Most people don't know this, but Hitler had the bomb before anyone else did. He just refused to use it because it was against his principles and he did not think that it would help him win the war long term. >>2711 >The only problem i have with fascism is its human factor What makes you think that an AI will not attempt to emulate the same? Or that it won't be programmed so? >There are no elections in fascism There are guilds, the party, both the inner and outer circle of leadership. It provides enough checks and balances to make sure that anyone not fit for the role is not going to last long. Democracy has proven without doubt to be a total failure (by design). In fact, it became a tyranny worse than any totalitarian system could ever be. A highly dysgenic one since it relies on dumb and ignorant people to work. Kikes easily sold shitskin invasion to democratic politicians under the guise of cheap labor and more votes (political capital), they could hardly do so to Fascist/NS ones who would see it for what it is, destruction of genetic and cultural potential of a local population, and by extension, themselves. A democratic leader does not care about the quality or well being of the people at all. >I disagree, humans are irrational animals Not all of them. Besides, what's actually rational is highly debatable. What matters, ultimately, is the will. I'd rather follow a highly logical, yet inspirationally insane leader with a clear vision of something greater than a thing which forces last man philosophies like utility and lowest common denominator onto everyone. >More religious bullshit. Indeed, but real nonetheless.
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>>2725 >What makes you think that an AI will not attempt to emulate the same? Or that it won't be programmed so? That certainly is a possibility, but AI is already being used globally to support government decisions, stocks in the stock market are already being traded by AI, with time more and more government decisions will be made by AI, its not like humans can stop at this point, luddites always lose. This is why it is so important to create that "nuke" before jews do.
>>2620 I'm assuming you believe in Ethno-globe, instead of the usual view of ethnostates for all?
I have got a couple of what I think are unpopular opinions. The first one is that I'm of the opinion that racial purity is not a replacement for morality. Having a homogeneous ethnic state is not enough to shield you from subversive tactics. The second unpopular opinion that i have is that the concept of white is subversive. I believe it's an ahistorical concept that Americans use to control Europeans. The European Union being the embodiment of this idea. The final opinion that I would like to share is that I view the idea of the master race as being no different than the Jewish concept of God's chosen people. A people's worth ought to be measured by their actions and not by their genes. If you want to be an Übermensch, start living like one.
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>>2803 >racial purity is not a replacement for morality I don't think that the idea of racial purity conflicts with the idea of morality. Ethnic replacement on the other hand is genocide and quite immoral. >Having a homogeneous ethnic state is not enough to shield you from subversive tactics. I agree to this one in a sense that there is no true way to get rid of evil, there will always be in out group to your in group, but that doesn't mean that we should let ourselves be replaced by the out group in our own home, family takes priority over strangers, your own countrymen take priority over foreigners, your own race takes priority over other races, your own species take priority over other species, living beings take priority over inanimate objects. >concept of white is subversive This is why racial purity is a good thing, it eliminates confusion. >I believe it's an ahistorical concept that Americans use to control Europeans As european i don't see how. >the idea of the master race as being no different than the Jewish concept of God's chosen people I agree, if germans would have been less arrogant, they would have more allies and less enemies, and they would have won WW2. >people's worth ought to be measured by their actions and not by their genes On individual level - yes, but usually we don't have the luxury to get to know someone before we have to interact with them. Its generally wiser to go by the stereotypes, humans have pattern recognition ability for a reason. Crime statistics don't lie. "Around blacks never relax." "With jews you lose."
>>2804 >yes, but usually we don't have the luxury to get to know someone before we have to interact with them I can agree with this. Sure there are non-Whites who are okay in the world (except for kikes), but not only your point but just because, let's say, you're fine with some non-Whites doesn't mean you should be comfortable with the genocide of your race.
>>2804 >If Germans would have been less arrogant LOL, I don't even see that as possible. Germans are easily in the top 3 most arrogant and pretentious peoples of the Earth. Western Europe is haughty in general, but Germans are on another level with that shit.
>>2803 >I'm of the opinion that racial purity is not a replacement for morality. Having a homogeneous ethnic state is not enough to shield you from subversive tactics Definitely true, but racial purity is not the end goal alone. I think the average person does need some sort of moral compass and one should be promoted that champions Aryan values and self-preservation. I don’t think it can be too crassly materialistic though. I will say that having an homogenous ethnostate under the control of people like us will surely use the instrument of state as one means of shielding the citizens from subversion from both within and without. >the concept of white is subversive. I believe it's an ahistorical concept that Americans use to control Europeans. The term “white” has some problems, but I don’t see it as meaning much more than “person of native European ancestry” when we use it. It’s of course a fuzzy category, but it describes a real group of similar people (continuum fallacy, etc). All of this is not to invalidate the actual diversity of European peoples in languages, culture and even appearance. >The European Union being the embodiment of this idea. The EU’s more of a globalist superstate to help the Jews make money easier and control the entire continent. >I view the idea of the master race as being no different than the Jewish concept of God's chosen people. A people's worth ought to be measured by their actions and not by their genes. If you want to be an Übermensch, start living like one. Even Hitler in Mein Kampf said that his race had the potential to produce the cream of the crop, not that everyone was some sort of Übermensch by birthright alone. This is important to realize, because it’s different from the Jewish supremacist doctrine which says the exact opposite. I’ve seen some /pol/ types fall into this type of thinking over the years by thinking that all white people are created equally and are equally as valuable, to the extent where they decry Anders Breivik on Utøya gunning down communists and other scum because they were “white”. I agree with what you said overall though, though whites are undeniably in my mind the crowning creation of nature, this isn’t automatically so, it’s a potential that some of us carry within us and must be embraced. Not everyone is worthy of the title of Aryan, a word which carries connotations of “noble”, “honorable”.
>>2808 What are your thoughts on working class and poor whites outbreeding the better educated upper classes in the western world? I would say they have great potential in rising above their upbringing given the right conditions in place (third position government policies). I'm not too convinced the prosperity and intelligence of the upper classes are based on inherent genetic intelligence although I do believe it plays a small role. Also "Aryan" in the proto Indo-Iranic language meant "member of the tribe" with the "noble" connotation coming later.
>>2811 I agree with you when you say that many of our people have great potential within them. Under the proper government these people could be identified and given everything that they need to prosper and be put in positions that fit both their nature and benefit society at large. Of course though there'll always be frankly Untermensch-tier or mediocre whites out there. In a sane society the worst of the worst would be pruned while the rest would be put into their proper places in society in accordance with their nature. Basically neo-caste system It doesn't really surprise me that working class poor whites are outbreeding the more educated people of the upper classes, especially since the former is naturally much more numerous than the latter. I don't think that we live in a system where the most intelligent and capable are necessarily those with the most wealth and power, though. At most there might be a small co-occurence like you say -- I really need to read the The Bell Curve. >Also "Aryan" in the proto Indo-Iranic language meant "member of the tribe" with the "noble" connotation coming later. This makes sense. It wouldn't surprise me if we have here some sort of self-identification of nobility within their own kind -- kind of like what Nietzsche said with how aristocrats would call themselves something after their superiority of power or some sort of 'characteristic idiosyncrasy', but in the opposite way. He gave examples of aristocrats calling themselves "the rich" or "the powerful", but the word "arya" as an ethnonym likely underwent the opposite process were it by itself acquired an aristocratic sense of its own, especially when in a contact situation with the ancient Daysu / Dasa people
>>2807 >LOL, I don't even see that as possible. Germans are easily in the top 3 most arrogant and pretentious peoples of the Earth. Western Europe is haughty in general, but Germans are on another level with that shit. What a dumb discussion. "Master race" didn't mean what you think it means, it's (((allied))) psychological warfare because the term master race is an completely invented term on other words just jewish propaganda. It's a part of these cheap tropes similar to how jews pretend Zyklon B was this ultra deadly gas powder and not Germany's lice removal/disinfectant before DDT even existed.(and yet so many jews just magically survived from auschwitz with their outrageous claims lol) Herrenvolk == Gentlemanly People(untranslatable) Just like how in germany HERR is used to denote Sir, its a respectful term that denotes gender/morality/social status but especially morality. The concept of "master race" was not even a central concept in National Socialist Germany, they were homogeneous Germans living in an all white country, doing their own German things like in most of Europe. They didn't give a damn about pygmies in Africa, because there wasn't even a NEED to denote themselves as anything better because everyone knew Africans were living in huts and primal type lifestyles, there wasn't even a discussion of which was "better" whatsoever because our values as races are completely different, as in what's better isn't even the same thing, but we can safely say science and medicine beats voodoo witchcraft, simple huts and a shitton of starving children because their lifestyles. And on that note about africans and others, a lot of people in the west even collected African art and such as curiosities even back then. There wasn't any spite involved because we were geographically separated and nobody had to deal with them, nobody even saw them or knew what they were even like, we have just had problems with conflicts and partially related to the net negative race of Jewish talmudic trash who've been pretending they're white to leech off us for hundreds of years while having literally no shared values or traits with us. Even if we're going to take this old tired allied psyche warfare that doesn't even make sense seriously, understand that there is not much haughty arrogance and pretentiousness when you have previously had everything to show for it as a people, and still do, which everyone else and mostly nonwhites is literally still free-riding on allowing them to have more spare time to have a shitton of children or survive deadly plagues/diseases nature afflicts people who don't know the rules or respect them, most of the other races literally can't even invent or make something new because they don't have a creative spark like us. And as far as I'm concerned us whites can call ourselves whatever we want. We're a fantastic, inventive and extremely kind people, even too kind and altruistic, a less animal like trait which Jews abuse to the utmost extent, while they use psychological warfare telling us that it's possible to other races/sapien species into something they're not and genocide us with their total utter control of foreign and domestic policy in all western nations.
>>2813 Whoa, I didn't expect such an impassioned response, lol. I wasn't even referring to The 3rd Reich; this arrogance and haughtiness is almost universal among all types of Germans specifically and Western Europeans, generally. It literally applies to all matters, regardless of size. Your comment about excessive altruism is a good example; you deem it as "less animalistic", but it's objectively a flaw and not something I am proud of in assessment of our people. That is exactly the example of the haughty attitude pervasive in our race. A lack of humility where appropriate and the closed minded mentality that accompanies it. The inherent rightousness of almost every major (especially modern) European(race)-derived philosophy, idealogy and morality is just so pretentious; it's annoying and grating.
>>2814 Your faulty reasoning for what you say is based on the (((contemporary))) state of things. As in how things are today, which are diseased. Not how they were, or how they could be in the future. Both require effort to understand and reach. >altruism is a good example; you deem it as "less animalistic", but it's objectively a flaw and not something I am proud of in assessment of our people. Is something objectively a flaw when it's being abused by other people who are alien to yours? Altruism is not a problem in of itself. Those traits were meant for the ingroup always, It's only a problem when hostile influence has been able to brainwash little kids to let go of their roots since 1945. In any case altruism is not what brought us here, it was greed, subversion, and now total control. > A lack of humility where appropriate and the closed minded mentality that accompanies it. That makes no sense. Adding to that you prob hang around the wrong people, i.e with people who you dont actually belong you betray yourself and others by doing so. merry julay anon
>>2815 I like how you cut off the "excessive" part of "excessive altruism" to misrepresent what I said to attack a strawman. That "brainwashing" bull is pretty tiring, too. Genetics and this overly domesticated society causes weak Whites, not sorry ass propaganda. If a race was "brainwashed" and "subverted" into ruin and subjugation, that would mean they aren't too resilient and bright to begin with, wouldn't it? Your rhetoric, attitude and convenient excuses are all examples of that haughty European arrogance that refuses to take a realistic look in the mirror. I would keep the inaccurate assumptions to yourself, as well. >makes no sense Of course a statement about humility makes no sense to a narcissist; you only care about virtue signaling and being "right". Trying to understand someone else's viewpoint is irrelevant, it's all about the validity of your opinion, only; fuck everyone else's. Like I said, Germans=arrogance without equal.
>>2818 >propaganda from age 5 doesn't fuck people up >muh arrogance Yeah okay settle down there ilya ehrenburg, master race and this arrogance you talk about still doesnt make any sense. If someone who appears to be white with a large hooknose throws a scorpion on your bed and the scorpion kills you, is it the scorpions fault? The scorpion or house you live in is the root cause of the problem? That's the dumb bullshit you are arguing, somehow this is about weakness when you sit there and you pretend that WW2 ended, it did not, the semitic revenge war effort just shifted fronts. In some alternate universe where you could reduce this to what you mean it still wouldn't make any sense. Domesticated jew society by default weakens literally everyone not any race exclusively, look at places like Korea and to an extent Japan who adopted the poz nuUSA consumerist post war lifestyle, their society is filled with unhappiness and it sucks because everyone became replaceable units of labour born to consume, instead of real members of society with a real sense of community and pride as was normal before.
>>2818 >If a race was "brainwashed" and "subverted" into ruin and subjugation, that would mean they aren't too resilient and bright to begin with, wouldn't it? The Jews have historically worked in such a way that they don’t attack and subvert our cultures and nations in one swoop, otherwise they’d be stamped out immediately as it would be immediately clear what the intentions of this Tribe are. They work slow, slowly turning the dial, slowly boiling the frog and gaining influence. In a new society that a group of Jews has begun to infest historically they would come as iterant traders and money lenders, but eventually through predatory lending, theft and merchantry they would become powerful and ingratiate themselves to the powers-that-be, eventually becoming indisposable to them. In modern times the Jews work in such a way that they directly target our young through propaganda embedded in popular music, entertainment, social media and through education. Subjected to this influence from birth, it’s not hard to see why our race isn’t flourishing like it should be. It doesn’t end with childhood though, the infestation goes deeper. The Jews control the media and gentiles are daily inundated with constant 24/7 narratives and fake news which shapes their opinions and voting patterns subtley. On the spiritual plane the Jews have the tool of Christianity, or if the goy has rejected that, several other varieties such as atheism.
>>2820 I stated what I find arrogant, what the fuck is so difficult to understand? >horrible scorpion metaphor If I tell you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? You're telling me our people answered yes to that question and we're not primarily at fault.....SMFH >It was over a long time Even worse Yes, people are weak because they are deprived of opportunities to develop character in this boring paradaigm , but they're mainly weak because of dysgenic practices like "law & order" and incessant war removing competitive traits like aggression, predation, machiavellianism, bravery, high testosterone and physical health out of the gene pool. Do you really think the blame lies squarely on commercials and billboards? Get a grip, we have punks in the army who can't even kill anybody without getting PTSD and you think some fucking Big Macs and Fag Parades did that? All the developed nations followed varying courses of self-domestication through dysgenia and addiction to comfort. Pride and community aren't enough to avoid that fate. Arrogance is not taking responsibility for your mistakes and the Kikes gave us what we deserved as a result. If you don't have the courage to admit our people should shoulder the blame for our errors, you're just another coward in a race of many. >>2822 Inexcusable. Only the weak and stupid are vanquished by the pen.
>>2825 >Only the weak and stupid are vanquished by the pen Imagine thinking that being psyoped 24/7 by literally every aspect of our society with no alternatives presented to you ever is being “vanquished by the pen”
>>2830 More excuses for weakness. Most White people were born as cattle and they would be cattle with or without propaganda. If you need someone to think for you to show you the "light" or a better alternative, it is because you are devoid of brain and spine. Our race has been too stupid, too kind and too weak; the more you choose to pass blame the more you accept it.
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>>2868 >Most White people were born as cattle and they would be cattle with or without propaganda Obviously. I even affirm that in this very thread (>>2812), where I say <Of course though there'll always be frankly Untermensch-tier or mediocre whites out there. In a sane society the worst of the worst would be pruned while the rest would be put into their proper places in society in accordance with their nature Most people are cattle, period. I am not offering excuses at all though. We're not entire blameless for what has happened at all. The Jewish infestation could have never taken place at all if we were strong both internally and externally. Codreanu put it well in For My Legionaries when he said that a country has the Jews it deserves. Or, even more relevant to our own times, Tarrant said we ourselves are the ones who should be blamed the most.
>>2870 Then, when speaking of ourselves, let's focus on ourselves. I am tired of the J being in every discussion almost without exception. We can't let them define us so much, we need to have the ability to set them aside momentarily so we can turn our gaze to each other and address things as a family matter.
>>2871 I don't know if it's really possible just "to set them aside" when they are a major (and deadly) symptom of what is wrong, but I understand where you are coming from with this completely. We need to work first on an inner awakening within ourselves. Revolutionize the self, revolutionize the society around us and become truly worthy of the title "Aryan". That's what I'm focused on currently. I don't plan to sit still as the West is destroyed forever, but first one needs to reach for perfection of oneself.
>>2872 I agree strongly and I'm glad we can see eye to eye on this. Like I said, if we can just set them aside for moments to attend to ourselves, I think a lot of progress could be made. It satisfies me our discourse took a positive turn and I wish you success on your goals.
>>2873 I find that in a lot of these discussions there is more common ground between the two than there first appears to be. Good luck to you as well, friend.
>>87 >unpopular opinions Ok. Video games are a drug. Anime makes you gay. TV is for retards.
>>2876 I don’t think many will disagree here tbh
>>2877 We'll give me some good ones that I've missed anon.
>>2876 >Video games are a drug Some drugs are ok. >Anime makes you gay There is a difference between a medium and a message. >TV is for retards For most internet users, surfing the internet is a thing of the past, most people use internet like they would be watching TV, they go to the same websites and let themselves be fed information rather than thinking for themselves. Just because you're not watching TV doesn't mean that you're not thoughtlessly adopting opinions and identity shared by the hive-mind.
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>>2876 I disagree with your conclusion that video games are drugs. True, there are some people addicted to video games but really, one can become addicted to anything. There are people who have an addiction to working out. Does this mean that partaking in such activities should be labelled as drug use? There are some people who addicted to food; is this a drug addiction as well? To be fair, I do understand how you might come to this conclusion. Any kind of activity that brings joy can be a drug. I'll meet you on a middle ground and say that "Video games CAN be drugs" . I think we've had this conversation in the meta thread but I think there are some legitimately good video games that tell a unique and interesting story. Some video games can even red pill people. Here are some examples. >Killzone This was PS2 game that makes the fascist "bad guys" look good. The gun play is not the best and the framerate is shitty but from my perspective, the story really saves it. I don't know how good 2 since I didn't have a PS3 at that time. I know Killzone 3 was shit because it just turned the Helghast into cookie cutter ebil natzees. >Halo 2&3. In Halo 2 the elites, much like whites, are essentially being ethnically, militarily, and politically replaced by literal bix nood apes. The covenant can be see as a metaphor for the catholic church and all of its corruption. The UNSC and ONI are essentially space ZOGs and act as such. Imposing excessive taxes on the common middle class and completely fucking the over the rural areas of the UNSC which are called the outer colonies which causes a rebellion. 1/2
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>>2897 >Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Fallout New Vegas, and to some extent, Fallout 3. The main story of Fallout 1 is about the vault dweller attempting to save his people from dehydration as his vault's water purification chip has malfunctioned. He then later gets wrapped up in a fight against the super mutants and their master after he finds out the now destroyed ZOG was working on some kind of unholy chemical weapon called the FEV(forced evolutionary virus) which is what caused the mutant and their master. The master wants to turn all non-irradiated humans into super mutants through the use of the FEV. This would cause all the best of the human race to become a green, indistinguishable mass. In Fallout 2, The same ZOG who created the FEV comes back and considers itself the last real humans and wants to genocide everyone else in the wasteland. They might be right in some context but saying all humans in the wasteland need to genocided because they might have been effected by the radiation doesn't exactly mean they aren't humans. The brotherhood of steel is an example of this. Fallout 3's story brings back the enclave but they are kind of stupid. For example the main villain in Fallout 3 can be convinced to end the enclave with just a small speech check. Fallout New Vegas is known for it's amazing writing and deep stats system. What I really admire Fallout:NV for its interesting story telling. There's not really a villain and all 4 sides make valid arguments towards one another. Caesar's legion is a brutal recreation of Imperial Rome and its action reflects that. They are known to crucify their enemies and have no qualms about slavery. Their treatment of women is worse than most muslim countries as they barely see them as human. They exist only to raise children. It might sound like Caesar is big bad evil warlord focused on conquering everything but he actually civilizes the tribes he conquers and makes them useful. The territory is also free from drug dealers and drug users. There is also little to no crime in legion territory. In fact, many of the Mojave Wasteland's worst raider gangs are scared of the legion. The NCR, another faction in FNV, has everything wrong and everything right about pre-war America. For one, they are a democracy and that has all the problems that a democracy. The government of the NCR is extremely corrupt and often takes bribes to the detriment of it's own citizens. The NCR also enforces taxes on its citizens but yet raiders run rampant and it can barely defend its roads. Mr. House, another one of the factions, owns the strip and is allieduneasily with the NCR. Mr. House can best be described as a libertarian autocrat. New Vegas is his city and is actually quite orderly. It is however, a city of degenerates. Gambling, prostitution, and drug use all run rampant in New Vegas. Mr. House does nothing to stop it and in fact encourages it. There do exist more games with deep social commentary and even some with fascist leanings but these are the ones I just wanted to bring up. I know for example, Deus Ex directly reference our friend Ted. 2/2
>>2881 >some drugs are ok Give me some examples. Do you mean the legal ones used for medical purposes, or the ones used for recreational purposes?
>>2876 Let's see. >vidya is a drug For me, it's the only enjoyment I have. I like to mod older games just to see how fun it can be. But, to each his own I guess. >anime makes you gay The only two anime I've ever watched (I think) were Pokemon the first season's 6 episodes only and then I never really saw it again and Cowboy Bebop since everyone was praising on how great it is. Anime does consist of little children (esp. girls) and therefore makes the nature of such shows feminine. I do believe that not all anime is as such but I am not into anime in general as I watch either YT or western. >TV is for retards I can understand why a board like this one would hate TV. I find shows like Breaking Bad enjoyable since the writing is at least interesting. As for comedy, the jews really have been subversive. After I got redpilled, I rewatched episodes of Arrested Development and I couldn't believe the amount of incest put in that show.
>>2898 >Deus Ex directly reference our friend Ted I keep hearing great things about this game and how accurate its predictions have apparently been. A Ted reference makes me even more interested. Damn I've been cutting back on vidya because it's mainly empty escapism but I need to check this out.
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>>2899 Merits of medicine are obvious, i'm talking about recreational drugs. I think that using drugs for pleasure is generally a bad idea, because human bodies basically are controlled by our addiction to feeling good, changes of serotonin, endorphins and dopamine levels in our brains reward us and make us see merit in actions that enable us to function in a manner that's beneficial to ourselves, and would ensure continuation of our species. So not all addictions are bad and lead us to ruin, some are positive. Whatever its artificial pleasure we receive by getting high or natural/authentic pleasure we receive from positive actions, either way its addictive. Humans are too smart for their own good in certain aspects and long since have figured out how to cut corners by forcing brains with drugs to reward themselves without the work. Different drugs have different action mechanisms to make our brains believe that using the drug is worthwhile, for example, opioids act by directly sending signals to our brains to release more dopamine to cause euphoria, i see no merit in using such drugs. However i see merit in some psychedelics, lsd for example, it doesn't necessarily cause pleasure at all, what makes lsd worthwhile are its therapeutic effects, by changing perception it can help a thinking person to unfuck itself, lsd can make a person stop seeing merit in addictions that he/she doesn't benefit from, as a result person starts seeing merit in things like washing the dishes again. There are also some positive ways to use some supposedly recreational stimulants. One could also argue that for someone who's life is actually already ruined, like patients in palliative care, its the right thing to do to just get high till death.
>>2898 >The master wants to turn all non-irradiated humans into super mutants through the use of the FEV. This would cause all the best of the human race to become a green, indistinguishable mass. what's interesting is that the Master and his lieutenant make strong arguments for this. the super-mutants are strong, intelligent, long-lived, and resistant to radiation and disease. further, the Master points out how humans have always been divided by tribal loyalties, which ultimately led to nuclear war in the first place, so that assimilating into the super-mutant network would ensure peace. however, the fatal flaw in his Plan is that the super-mutants can't reproduce, and a sterile life-form is ultimately doomed. if you prove this point to the Master with docs from the brotherhood of steel, he realizes his mistake and commits suicide by arming the nuclear device, with time for you to escape. really, the Master believed he was saving the human race, and his Plan would've worked without that fatal flaw. for a mutant army in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, they're surprisingly deep.
>>2748 There is no such thing as an AI, it's just a meme pushed by kikes to give a bunch of complex scripts an "image" so they are sold easier. Of course, normies will rush to adopt it so they are not called luddites and so they don't lose a competitive advantage, thus becoming it's slaves, or more precisely, slaves of it's creators. Some anon on 8ch posted a paper written by some kike saying how they plan to take over what's left of traditional industries through "AI revolution" and how anyone not jumping on the bandwagon is going to go bankrupt. That doesn't mean that one should not develop countermeasures though. We don't really need an "AI" other than for making the society even more lazy/incapable, enslaved and degenerate.
>>2813 In the case of Germans, I don't think it's altruism. They are highly competitive people, and today they are trying to outdo everyone else (and each other) in self-hatred and collective suicide. It's not really about wanting to genuinely help others, but about virtue signalling. To destroy the best race and feed it's corpse to the subhumans, so all could be equal in slavery to the lowest creature on earth, the eternal Jew, is not really altruism, but it's opposite. If you want to help subhumans, sterilize them, because no one wants to be subhuman. Only a Jew takes pride in that. >>2830 >>2868 There are arguments for both of these points. While it's true that the parasite has refined it's methods to the point where most people are entirely helpless, what makes some of us being able to resist them to a certain degree? If we are to survive, we will have to select for these traits. If history is cyclical, what we see as the noble Aryans today could have been just a survivors of a previous neo-weimar and global collapse. Those who have concentrated certain traits due to evolutionary pressure, making the domesticated bugmen an easy prey after the collapse, allowing them to (re-)conquer great portions of the world. Then, they had to maintain larger populations and started mixing with subhumans so the domestication kicked in again, gradually decaying into what we have today. >>2898 Are BoS /ourguys/ ? Even in Fo4 you have the Institute, which are a bunch of hypocritical, transhumanist kikes, the Railroad who are your typical deluded SJW's, Minutemen who are your vanilla civnats and BoS (this time as a major faction) who are most fashy and want to purge the unclean. They seek to preserve technology, however not to eliminate what makes us human, but to preserve and enhance it.
>>2934 I didn't play Fallout 4 because I've heard it's nothing like NV or 1&2. Regarding the villains, they're as poorly written as the enclave in fallout 3. From what I remember from a game play clip a few years ago, you could directly ask the Institute why they do what they do, much in the same way you could ask Caesar in NV. The person who you asked just out right tells you "It's too complicated you wouldn't understand." I can't find the clip but I am sure it's out there. Image unrelated.
>>2933 If acronym "AI" triggers you, just call this technology something else, lets go with "kike scripts". Its still evidently a revolutionary development. I'm astonished at the amount of mental gymnastics you're willing to go through to justify your luddite viewpoint. "Kike scripts" clearly doesn't belong in the parallel reality that you're living in. >anyone not jumping on the bandwagon is going to go bankrupt You're not denying this. >That doesn't mean that one should not develop countermeasures though Countermeasures against technology? Ridiculous. >We don't really need an "kike scripts" other than for making the society even more lazy/incapable, enslaved and degenerate. That's like saying: >We don't really need "nuclear weapons", using "nuclear weapons" would only degrade our sword and shield skills.
While I respect the success monarchies had in the past, I think the recent history of monarchs- especially in the cases of Italy, Romania, and Spain, prove that Fascists, and nationalists in general, should not place their trust in them
>Hebephilia is just normal male sexuality >Rousseau and Foucault had valuable ideas despite them influencing liberals >Plato's philosopher king is a fundamentally good idea >America hatred is heavily exaggerated, and is just penis envy >British analytical philosophy had a bad influence on America
>>2901 To be fair, Arrested development wasn't even funny
>>2897 Video games are fine in moderation
Plus strategy games are good for conflict resolution
>>2996 >>2995 >Hebephilia is okay >Arrested Development not funny Funny. Considering that in that show it was hinted that GOB loved Ann. And when I was referring to the show, I was talking more about how the show can do setups and payoffs pretty well. It not being funny can be true sometimes. oh and you think that a NatSoc society can allow hebephilia? what are you thinking?
>>3002 I meant in marriage only. not fornication.
>>2898 what about Brotherhood Of Steel or Enclave. care to elaborate on them?
In NV, ofc.
>>3002 >oh and you think that a NatSoc society can allow hebephilia? what are you thinking? There’s nothing wrong with hebephilia, it’s completely natural and was seen as so until the beginning of the 20th century in white Western societies. The change came about through feminist and Christian puritan legislation. As soon as a girl hits puberty she’s fit for marriage – so yes, 8 to 13 year old girls are marriable – this is how Nature (or God) has decreed it. I stand against all forms of fornication as well, the only true outlet for sexuality is within the confines of marriage between a man and a woman. The current age of consent allows fertile young men and women to whore it up for years on end before “settling down”, already having destroyed any chance of a future stable marriage. Every man wants a loli wife at heart.
>>2934 to an extent though I think Todd Howard was a moron for killing off Caesar's Legion in 4.
and what about STALKER?
>>3010 Todd is a lying greedy moron in general and Bethesda is fucking garbage. People tend to forget that vault 15 in fallout 1 was experimenting with multiculturalism and diversity. It failed miserably, resulting in the creation of various nigger factions and the NCR. >>2897 >Helghast Jesus christ! they really did shit at making them the bad guys. Also, didn't the Helghan empire started out as a mega corporation before some fuhrer inspired his people or something?
>>3011 >STALKER Duty is a great faction and the most fascist in my opinion, but destroying the entire zone is way too fucking ambitious and, the best thing they could do so far is to kill the dangerous mutants and degenerate stalkers. Duty could also benefit from clear sky's knowledge of the zone, too bad clear sky is fucking dead, but i'm sure they could get help from the legendary Strelok The STALKER games are pretty bleak. Everytime an emission happens in the zone, the zone expands by 5 kilometers, and now people that happen to be near the zone, or the rest of humanity, have to adopt the stalker lifestyle
>>3019 I don't know. Caesar's Legion seems too brutal while Hitler's one was better.
>>3023 The thing about Caesar's Legion is the only way he got to the level of unity that it is at was literal blanda up, i.e removing all the tribal influences through raping them out.
Here's one >winning war requires you to kill non-combatants
>>3070 That would be a war crime. Doesn't look good in the history books.
>>3070 That's dumb. The Vietnamese war wasn't lost due to non-combatant casualties, and killing non-combatants is really never the goal of any war, since most wars are wars for control over people and the primary goal of any war being to get the enemy to stop fighting/give up. You're just trying to be edgy for the sake of edge, that makes you a faggot.
>>3072 War crimes are about as real as human rights, i.e. they don't exist.
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>>3074 Niggers have a hard time wrapping their minds around abstract things like laws or human dignity, so they end up in prisons, don't be a nigger.
>>3075 It's not about abstractions, it's about the fact that war crimes are a form of globalist fiction used by the victors of wars to justify their conduct in war and punish the defeated. Likewise human rights are nothing more than a political weapon used to justify interventions against national sovereignty and any form of government or policy that doesn't align with liberal norms. What are called human rights are nothing more than privileges granted by states to their population that can be revoked at will. Calling me a "nigger" or appealing to human dignity is not an argument, lib.
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>>3076 So raping and slaughtering civilians for fun is alright because its war 'n shit?
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>>3079 >So raping and slaughtering civilians for fun is alright because its war 'n shit? "For fun" sounds like it's outside of the objectives of war and is unlikely that doing such things would be good to the discipline of an army. Killing civilians is permissable depending on the situation.
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>>3080 >Killing civilians is permissable depending on the situation Yeah, in situations when they take up a weapon without putting on a uniform, then they are classified as combatants and guess what, there are Laws of War regulating that sort of thing, braking said laws would make one a war criminal. I get where you're coming from, but war crimes really are a thing.
>>3083 >war crimes really are a thing. And who is the lawgiver in this situation? inb4 globalist Geneva Conventions
>>3084 >And who is the lawgiver in this situation? inb4 globalist Geneva Conventions But of course, would be kinda silly if it wasn't globally agreed upon Whats wrong with systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct? Are you seriously gone advocate in favor of lawlessness?
>>3086 The Geneva Conventions are built on values which I reject. You do release that that expulsion of groups and their resettlement is one of the things explicitly "outlawed" in the Geneva Conventions? This is quite troublesome for anyone who values a racially and culturally homogenous nation-state. Likewise we're supposed to allow supervision of our treatment of prisoners of war -- the same people in a war which would be actively killing and destroying our own nations and families? LOL >Are you seriously gone advocate in favor of lawlessness? Modern warfare is nothing but warring groups of merchants employing their cannon-fodder wage-slave armies as international policy forces against each other and is totally disconnected from Traditional heroic Aryan forms of warfare. Let them tear themselves apart by any means possible. If I was the leader of a nation I would not allow myself to bound by such fictions. Note though that that doesn't mean intentional cruelty and savagery.
>>3072 There was no concept of a "war crime" until relatively recently. Without going further into how the phrase itself makes no sense whatsoever (war is a conflict of laws, which define the crimes), it's a Talmudic meme pushed by kikes and their anglo-zionist pets after WW2 as a psychological tool to establish an entirely arbitrary moral framework that would make their propaganda more effective and allow them to demonize anyone not unconditionally obeying them. Anglos lost their empire (and ultimately, countries) once they took the "moral higher ground" bait and stopped completely and utterly massacring any subhumans they came across. To even think that you will win by appealing to the last man sentiment and morals based on the scoundrel/kike/weakling survival strategy proved to be catastrophic. >>3075 A lie is not an abstraction. Niggers end up in prisons because someone puts them there, and that someone does so because he is getting paid to do so. Without the kikes controlling the money supply, their laws become entirely meaningless. Unfortunately, there are countless idiots out there supporting their laws for free. That's why they love "democracy" so much, it all comes down to lemming manipulation, and having them policy themselves, funding their own slavery and destruction. Otherwise, enforcing their laws and (((morals))) would be rather .... costly. Financially and logistically unsustainable.
>>3086 >But of course, would be kinda silly if it wasn't globally agreed upon Argumentum ad populum. Also, appeal to the lowest common denominator (which is degenerative as a principle and has the bugman/last man as the logical conclusion) >Whats wrong with systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct? According to our objectives, not those of our enemies. There is no such thing as universal ethics, it's just a package wrap that kikes use for selling Talmud to the goyim. Of course, they don't believe in universal ethics either, as they know it's real purpose. Which is anything BUT ethical. >Are you seriously gone advocate in favor of lawlessness? Lawlessness is preferable to Talmudic law. Or any other law not based on natural law. >>3087 Most modern armies are the antithesis of heroic. They are lowlife mercenaries, and the few conflicts in which they might be engaged in are entirely staged (to sell weapons, fight for few resources still unclaimed by globozog or to give fuel to the political theater). Also, conflict zones are always a good source of human organs to be shipped to Israel.
>>3089 >Most modern armies are the antithesis of heroic Exactly. I never realized how far we had fallen from the times of Greece, Rome and Vedic Aryandom until I read Evola's Metaphysics of War. Most of what I said in that post as regards to merchants and cannon fodder was written with him in mind. No one truly believes in the ideals that these wars are allegedly fought in, everyone knows it's no more than a mask. It's the exact opposite of transcendent or Traditional.
speaking of video games anyone ever play Defcon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCpVpIBqaJg
>>3072 Israel does it all the time and so has the U.S. we don't lose now do we? the victors write the books. >>3076 so Arkhan the Serb was a globalist for murdering Muslims because muh NATO? they were civilians but they were also fucking up his country with rape and murder. its perfectly permissible. like I'll be honest I don't like the fact that our soldiers and Israelis kill Arabs but its been proven time and again unless some globalist asshats like the UN say "no bueno" it secures victory. on another note the UN should break up. they are no moral arbiters of peace, in fact quite the opposite.
>>3073 imo, the Vietcong were Imperialist
>>3110 Vietnam was an imperialist force in Cambodia – /leftypol/ will ban you if you tell the truth
In my book I describe mass invasions of Europe and migrant rape as a good thing because Europeans have a superiority complex over Americans and it would be good for them to take a slice of humble pie, esp. England since they imported shit philosophy into our government framework and we are the only ones to break off their empire in self determination, yet the queen 's agents haven't gotten their tentacles out of our system yet and until that happens, more migrants
>>3111 I know this first hand
>>3115 You know that the VC are imperialists or that /leftypol/ will ban you?
>>3119 Both
>>3088 > Anglos lost their empire (and ultimately, countries) once they took the "moral higher ground" bait and stopped completely and utterly massacring any subhumans they came across. In other words, the only reason non-Whites even exist is basically because of the human rights thing?
>>3087 > Note though that that doesn't mean intentional cruelty and savagery. Funny you say that. You do sound like that. Unless I'm judging you wrongly.
>>3109 > I'll be honest I don't like the fact that our soldiers and Israelis kill Arabs But if you hate Arabs so much as you've mentioned in the previous sentences and question, why this then?
>>3123 I never said that, I was stating why we don't lose wars
>>3120 How were you involved with the VC? Were you at Cambodia at the time the VC were invading? Did you perhaps speak to a survivor? You sound like you have an interesting story.
>>3124 Never said what to be exact?
>>3125 No I'm too young to have been involved >>3126 About attacking civilians. You ok man?
>>3129 >About attacking civilians. You ok man? Nah. Ever since I got redpilled, it's been difficult for me to just accept everything. With the entire concept of true morality crumbling down, I just don't know what to believe anymore. sage for offtopic.
>>3109 >so Arkhan the Serb was a globalist for murdering Muslims because muh NATO? Most of those were false flags done by western actors, and highly exaggerated by the media, so kikes could intervene. I'm usually against killing whites, even if they are Muslims, but in Bosnia you had scenarios where someone who was your best friend for life, suddenly comes and kills you and your family because muh jihad. In that scenario, killing children is not justified because they could be re-educated and turned into functional white people. For adults, it may be too late. >>3114 That's crab mentality, you let USA become mongreland so you want to bring Europe down to that level too. Europeans, especially the western EU, did need a good reality check though, they became so decadent and degenerate that they have completely lost touch with reality. While I wish for shitskins to kill as many cucks and teletubbies as possible before we exterminate them, we could take similar eugenic measures without endangering the genetic potential and having them kill quality people as well. That's why self-determination and garbage separation is crucial. Instead of trying to save what doesn't wish to be saved, and what's already lost, save what's worthy and make a stand. >>3121 Short answer: Yes. Well, most of them at least, not all. They were used as leverage by one group of competing whites against another, slave labor (which is degenerate and always leads to decay imo), but they were mostly weaponized by kikes against us. Which would never be possible had we not fallen for Talmudic memes.
>>3135 But I'm confused. Non-Whites being used under Whites can be the same as Non-Whites being used by kikes? All I see is slavery written all over. However, I must not forget the Barbary Slave Trade.
>>3135 I still believe the U.S. can be saved. I guess I'm a bit of an idealist, still
and the only ones who let it become this was LBJ and his stupid immigration act.
>>3164 LBJ was the worst president, hands down.
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>>3165 the Great Society is one of the major factors behind the creation of modern ghetto culture, alongside globalization and the crack epidemic.
>>3168 lol. cute of you.
>Pol Pot is not a fascist >Tolerance and diversity (among, not inside countries) is a good thing >The United States has being only a force of destruction >Being Anti-Technology is very stupid >Transhumanism and cyberpunk fantasies are also stupid but for entirely different reasons >Jew are not born bad and deserve a place to call home, just not Palestina >Reading books is overrated >Making non-white countries white is as bad as making white countries non-white >Making things you do not like illegal is immature and lazy statesmanship
>>3205 >Pol Pot is not a fascist The only reason Pol Pot gets any love here from a select amount of anons (it's no more than one or two but since the board is small it makes it seem a lot more prevalent) is (1) the fact that he led a ethnonationalist peasant revolution against global capitalism and urban domination and (2) that some of his actions can be reinterpreted and appreciated through an ecofascist à la Pentti Linkola / anti-tech lens. Personally, when it comes to Pol Pot's extreme anti-religious stance I part ways with him, as well as when it comes to the absurd collectivization of nearly everything and anything. This is why in the anti-tech thread I have spoken of "tactical Pol Pot-ism". And while to an extent I reject his communistic views for their egalitarianism, it could also be argued that no such thing as egalitarianism (which I regard as undesirable) existed in Democratic Kampuchea since in effect an endogamous caste system was established between slaves and commoners under Pol Pot, more in the manner of ancient Angkor than any socialist state. He was clearly not a fascist, that much is true. >Being Anti-Technology is very stupid I could write a whole essay on this topic, but I'm sure you've heard it all before. Many of us anti-tech anons are merely observing the changes that have taken place since the Industrial Revolution and the negative effects that it has had on us in terms of health, family structure, globalization and many other things. Currently, since I cannot go off the grid until the future for various reasons, I am passively anti-tech. I believe that we are heading towards a system-wide collapse within the next half century or so, slow or not. >Making things you do not like illegal is immature and lazy statesmanship This really depends on what we're talking about here.
>>3208 >Pol Pot For me him and other characters are simply socialists and Plus, almost all his methods and doctrines are undesirable for me. While I believe that individualism and capitalism are destructive I am not against the individual or capital, if given their place you can make them work for you, not against you, which is something manny seem to overlook in favor for a more romantic and complete revolution. The misuse of a tool is no reason to get rid of the tool. >anti tech I am not against the stance because I disagree with the idea of technology being correlated to manny destructive aspects of the modern world. But I see the primitivist tendencies manny Anons show as short-sightedness. How would you defend against a higher technological power? How would you maintain a big-population if you want to use numbers as a way to counter your technical limitations? If you want to reserve technology for defense then who will build and maintain the tools, infrastructure and logistics needed for a functioning defense system? How will you replace this class of technicians from a pool of farmers if they were to die? This stance is just too situational, an example of « Won't work unless everyone else also follows it » which brings too manny problems just for the opportunity to achieve a romanticized version of the past The only defense these communities would have is being irrelevant enough to be ignored by bigger powers or making it too expensive for you enemy to bother destroying your mudhuts, Which is something I would hate turning into, I hate weakness; that is the only thing I truly hate. Thus I believe that we must control it, not get rid of it. Technology would allow us to reduce our impact in our world, the reason this has not happened yes is because consumerism took a hold of us and our demands increased. >This really depends on what we're talking about here. I was referencing something I have seen in manny discussions in manny communities; when faced with a problem manny lazily post something along the lines of "Have the Government ban it" without any consideration on the root of the problem or ould would the population. Most issues respond similar to the prohibition of alcohol, akin to covering a leaking pipe with one pipe only to have two more leaks appearing in their place. « Just Ban It » is the internal politics' version of « Just Nuke 'em »
>>3210 >For me him and other characters are simply socialists and and the only aspect of them that makes them foreign to /leftypol/ is that they gave the USSR the middle finger God, I really need to stop doing that
>>3210 >For me him and other characters are simply socialists and the only aspect of them that makes them foreign to /leftypol/ is that they gave the USSR the middle finger I have to disagree here. Pol Pot is radically different from any type of orthodox Marxist such as, say, Lenin. We of course see this in the revolution's truly non-proletarian character (as there was no proletariat in Kampuchea), in its ethnonationalism, and its extremely utopian character (as Marxists would say). Marxists see socialism only as a first stage which will eventually develop into a stateless society, etc etc we all know this, but what Pol Pot tried to do was to immediately jump into a classless society without money, property or religion. The anti-urban doctrines are quite foreign to Marxism as well, as are things such as the destruction of large parts of Kampuchean industry. I once argued with an anon over on 8chan and compared Kampuchean socialism not to Marxism, but to a pre-Marxist peasant socialism called Narodism / Populism. It is interesting how much the two had in common. I could try to dig up the post somewhere (assuming that is not you since I've argued over this topic with a Synarchist anon before and it was probably you) >Plus, almost all his methods and doctrines are undesirable for me. While I believe that individualism and capitalism are destructive I am not against the individual or capital, if given their place you can make them work for you, not against you, which is something manny seem to overlook in favor for a more romantic and complete revolution. The misuse of a tool is no reason to get rid of the tool. I certainly agree here for the most part. I think from reading your posts I'd more easily in favor of methods that are far more brutal (hence why I am a follower of Pentti Linkola) though, but I doubt we can in any way bridge that gap between us so we'll just lay that aside. I call myself a "tactical Pol Pot-ist" for only one reason -- I can push away all of the trash in the doctrine and see the good within it. I like the urban evacuations, I like the leveling character of the Khmer Rouge in action in certain areas (against the urban and industrial society), but besides that I do not like this man or the regime. I am personally not against the existence of religion (I am heavily pagan-influenced myself) and think that atheism has been harmful for society, and I am certainly not against all forms of private property. If you know anything about Pentti Linkola you can probably see where the overlap comes in. If not, see: http://www.penttilinkola.com/pentti_linkola/ecofascism/
>>3210 (2/2) >anti-tech The Linkola school of thinking has technology reduced to an absolute minimum and only being retained in state-power (defense, certain types of transit, electricity, essential production etc). That solution itself has problems, of course, but it is better than mudhut-tier luddite posting. I truly believe that the possibility for a major collapse of the system is in our near future which will cause a massive regression of our living standards. The type of technology that will become more scarce in this period will be only organizational dependent technology, which frequently regresses in cases of societal collapse (as example in Rome for centuries afterwards people stopped constructing aqueducts and the amazingly advanced system of running water in Rome fell out of use and was never restored). You're 100% correct that this doesn't work out in a utopia unless the whole world imploded, there're arguments about why if there would be a major collapse today that it would be necessarily global due to the interdependent nature of the world today due to globalization and such, but even if such a thing happens we will be surrounded by technology whether we like it or not for a very long period of time. Even when resources eventually become exhausted we will be surrounded by the trash and scrap of this current period for millennia to come unfortunately. I am not blindly optimistic about technology ever being removed as I sometimes dream of it being, but I am not blackpilled about the future either. Personally, unless I were to magically find myself in a position where I could bring about change, I hope to try to live a life off the grid in the future in an environment disconnected from rampant technology and modern life where modern technology will be mastered instead of being an enslaving force, a la the Amish. >I was referencing something I have seen in manny discussions in manny communities; when faced with a problem manny lazily post something along the lines of "Have the Government ban it" without any consideration on the root of the problem or ould would the population. Most issues respond similar to the prohibition of alcohol, akin to covering a leaking pipe with one pipe only to have two more leaks appearing in their place. I see what you're saying. I have many things that I would personally like to ban, but I think that a ban alone is not enough. I think that propaganda and education are two methods that are unappreciated in our circles sometimes. To teach the population of the dangers and undesirability of alcohol could go a long way I feel, and lay the groundwork for an eventual ban (if that is needed).
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>>3205 I agree with everything you said except the "Reading books is overrated" and the "Jew are not born bad" part. I still think that jews deserve to be deported to a land of their own, where they could jew each other unbothered by anyone. Ticks and mosquitos aren't born bad, they don't have a choice, but to be blood sucking parasites, they can't just start eating something else, nature made them that way and its not their fault. Jews and gypsies on the other hand don't have such biological limitations and yet they've been scoundrels as long as history can remember them, if there is such a thing as a free will then jews consciously decided to mess with other peoples rather than living peacefully, even after acquiring land of their own, they still seek to destroy european people though multiculturalism, they still seek control over global media and they use their power to do bad things to other peoples. Jewing is what defines being a jew, if a jew stopped jewing then it wouldn't be a jew anymore.
>>3219 While I do respect the fact that you trow away the trash instead doing a Mao and putting ideological fidelity over functionality, at what point does it stop being pol-pot's ideas? >>3220 >Think that propaganda and education are two methods that are unappreciated in our circles sometimes Basically. For me baning is not an option worth looking into for most of the cases. I much rather stop demand by educating people. We humans are crafty, so if you cut supply instead of demand people will find other –usually more destructive and unregulated– ways of fulfilling those demands. I would like to keep as little things banned, very few things are inherently evil, and manny are just misused, so by not banning some things you make it easer for people to find good uses for them, without the need for special permits and paperwork. Which relates to another doctrine of mine, to give people options to the point of removing room for excuses altogether, this is the best way of making people do what you want, much better than obligating them at gunpoint –Something that commies need to learn–. If I want people to collectivize some aspects of life then I would make my way desirable. For example, if I want people to stop using cars I would not ban cars, it would destroy our economy. Instead I would >make a better public transportation system >reduce parking spaces >narrower streets to give more space to pedestrians and green areas >create nationalized companies to make it easer for people to move goods between cities >more and better railways >use propaganda to make public transportation attractive >Destroy public transport syndicates Generally make my way better for most people, they will do the rest for me and I can move onto other issues. The few people left that still need cars for very specific reasons that I did not took into account –Local delivery of heavy equipment, emergency services, etc.– will either not be affected or have issues that will be more easily solved. <banning alcohol OVER MY DEAD BODY *HIP* >>3222 Then you jew the Jew out of the Jew until it stops being a Jew that Jews even other Jews Jewing non-jews
>>3226 >at what point does it stop being pol-pot's ideas? What I advocate for is hardly the ideas of Pol Pot honestly, when I refer to "tactical Pol Pot-ism" that is mostly tongue-in-cheek. What is interesting is that apparently I am not the first third positionist to come to such an idea. Through my reading I've discovered figures such as Nick Griffin, a former National Front leader in Britain who ran a "smash the cities" campaign and tried to set up a rural commune in Shropshire. The author of the book that mentioned this called it reminiscent of Pol Pot. Another American white nationalist figure, Nathan Pett, directly called for an "Aryan Pol Pot". >OVER MY DEAD BODY *HIP* <not being teetotal gang lol reported jk
>>3222 Good post. Judaism is fundamentally an expression of the Jewish mentality rather than it being Judaism which has shaped the Jews - the latter being the fatal flaw committed by many religious people and anti-white faggots like E. Michael Jones who happily chats it up with converted Jews on his Youtube channel. If one needs any better proof of the enduring nature of the Jewish mentality across history, one should read Rosenberg's The Track of the Jew through the ages. The problem is not the Talmud, it's the race whose minds produced the Talmud.
(((>>3205))) >>(((Tolerance)))and (((diversity))) (among, not inside countries) is a good thing >>Jew are not born bad and deserve a place to call home, just not Palestina >>Reading books is overrated >>Making non-white countries white is as bad as making white countries non-white >>Making things you do not like illegal is immature and lazy statesmanship ‎fucking YIKES thanks for making me puke /lefypol/ Sage for low-effort
>technocracy is a form of meritocratic totalitarianism that favors the "cream of the crop" who are nepotistic and don't care about the common man.
>>3228 my biggest problem with EMJ is how he shits on the Scots, because we're the most American of nationalities. I guess THAS RITE, we built this shit.
>>3293 I think the biggest problem is that he thinks that the white race doesn't even exist. EMJ only cares if his precious Catholic Church gets more converts, beyond that he doesn't give a shit about who converts, Jewish, black or otherwise. He's even on record saying that an African can become a Pole if he lives there and learns the language. Fuck him. >>3249 Tolerance and diversity aren't inherently pozzed concepts, but have undeniably been coopted by our enemies. For example, there is nothing wrong with a diversity of languages or religious traditions among a racial group. Religious tolerance was a feature of the ancient pre-Abrahamic world in religious matters and a plurality of opinions and worldviews interacted with each other relatively peacefully until the fanatical Jewish doctrines attempted to stamp them out, succeeding in many cases sadly. I assume that is what that anon is referring to. I say this with the caveat that I personally do not hold tolerance and diversity as any sort of core value of mine though, I think authority, hierarchy and racial wellness take first place before any of these would even enter into my mind.
>>3294 I am a christian so I'll give my view on the whole race thing and explain why the entire bible is basically pro homogeneity. Firstly I want to describe the fact that there are two separate creation events. Genesis 1:26-31 and Genesis 2:1-7 the main point here is that the creation of Adam is distinct from the creation of the other people groups described in Gen 1. Since in Genesis 2 it is stated that God breathes the breath of life into Adam and he becomes a living soul. This never happens with the ones in Genesis 1. We can tell that the creation of Adam is different because it happens after God's rest. Now I believe that Adam is the progenitor of all Caucasoid people including Jews, Europeans, Ancient Persians, Ancient Egyptians, Romans and the Ancient Greeks. I have quite substantial evidence for this. The word Adam in Hebrew comes from the word Adom through Strong's exhaustive concordance. The word Adom's meaning is ruddy which basically means a reddish tint. The bible actually backs this up on numerous occasions if you look at the descriptions of some of the appearances of some of the people in the bible. For instance David was described as ruddy in both the KJV and the Septuagint the verse is 1 Kings 16:12 for the Septuagint https://www.biblestudytools.com/lxx/kings-i/16.html https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Samuel-16-12/ Remember the fact that the entire genealogy of Jesus was lined out at the beginning of the Gospel of Matthew. This goes all the way back to Abraham and includes David because he is from his lineage. Now what we must then come to terms with is that Jesus must have had a Ruddy appearance if David had a Ruddy appearance. This is actually really important because the only people group who have a reddish tint are Europeans and Jews. However I've got quite a bit to say about the Jewish people in general as well because it also adds a differing perspective to their end goal. Here is the definition of the term Adam and Adom https://biblehub.com/str/hebrew/120.htm https://biblehub.com/hebrew/119.htm Next I'll move towards genesis chapter 6 because that is where the next most important part of the strong comes into the picture. Effectively the Son's of God came into the daughter's of men and the world became corrupted with the abomination's made through this union. Then God decided to flood the world and destroy all of humanity however he decided to spare noah's family because Noah was pure in his generations. Genesis 6:9 https://www.biblestudytools.com/lxx/genesis/6.html https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-6-9/ Obviously these were angels because I doubt any self respecting European Men finds black females attractive but the point still stands that Noah was saved because he kept to his own people. Additionally after this we begin to see the three Caucasoid groups spring up these are The Hamites, The Japhites and The Shemites. So the entire things goes like this. The Hamites were represented in the past by the Egyptian's mainly but also the philistine tribes. Sadly they are extinct however if you believe in any form of christian identity or British Israelism then you can consider the British to have Egyptian DNA. Japhites in the past were mainly the Ionians, Romans, Celts, Medes, Aryan's, Germanics. Today are mainly represented in Europe. Finally shemites were represented by the Carthaginians, Assyrians, Arameans, Babylonians and the Ancient Israelites. Now are only represented by the Judahites which are also called Jews. Effectively through the first 10 chapters of Genesis you get the actual story of the Aryan race. Yes Jews are technically Aryan Just a different type.
>>3294 >Tolerance and diversity aren't inherently pozzed concepts Sort of what I believe, diversity among countries (European, China, India etc) is okay but INSIDE countries is not a good one. But many suggest otherwise - such as an ethnoglobe.
>>3294 true diversity is achieved by a variety of different ethno-states, so that each people/language/culture can have its own homeland. to thoroughly mix these together creates homogeneity, based on the lowest common denominator; we're already seeing the early stages of this in globalism. of course, this is not to say that we should all be hermit kingdoms. trade and exchange can be beneficial, as long as it's within reason and doesn't lead to inundation.
Nerds deserve to be bullied. Transhumanism is just another Abrahamic theology but for nerds. Just look at this: >>2718 >gene editing on humans has been done only to increase resistance to HIV. >pretending the HIV spreading in the 20th century had nothing to do with modernity enabling such. >>2711 >i could never yield to authority of another human. >he never had any parents >More religious bullshit. >he believes in "muh rights" Bet this Nigger couldn't make an argument for any rights he's entitled to have that doesn't use teleology. >>2706 >There is no such thing as "jewish science" - just science, all knowledge is power. Sure Nigger, that's how we know WE ARE ALL AFRICANS since Dick Dawkins said so. And men can become women since Billy Nye did a zany song about it. Oh and IQ is waycis and women are just like men on the "inside."
>>3414 Even among a single polity, "diversity" is handled far worse in liberal society since it's hostile to segregation and pillarization. You can see this in Murica where Nig Nogs were notably better behaved where they had to stay in their designated territories or face the consequences.
>>3205 >Being Anti-Technology is very stupid None of the great and non-degenerate philosophers had any regard for tech as some means to "liberate" men from the church/gubnimt/wives keeping them down. Or some means to achieve the "healing of the world" (itself a bastardization of an Abrahamin tradition). >Transhumanism and cyberpunk fantasies are also stupid but for entirely different reasons They're bad since the advocates are homos, fedoras, feminists, and libertarians (aka extra edgy liberals) .
>>3441 The masses used to rightfully be extremely suspicious of machinery and related technology and protested against it, sometimes even destroying it. But then (((Marx))) worked to rehabilitate it in their eyes, presenting it as a possibly liberating force. It wasn't the machine who enslaved the workers, it was the elite who owned them! Sadly though this idea was attractive to many, and the rising living standards of the early twentieth century in particular engendered the proles with the myth of progress and technophilia. Today they see it is indispensable and won't give it up even if it would destroy them. They are more enslaved today than ever before and Red Industrialism (communism) will not save them
>Well sure nerd gods like Bill Gates and Dick Dawkins are all either actively pushing poz or cooperate with the ones who do to serve their schemes or are too cowardly to object in any notable way, the Shithole World's births are at an all-time high while Whitey Land's are at an all-time low, Actually Practiced Science is filled with cat ladies and cucks who shill for poz like Rapeugees, hordes of coomers are on Nigger porn thanks to the internet, DisneyMarvel is churning out endless superheroes (with a dose of Kang LARPing for Amerimutts and resentful migrant blood Darkies) for today's rootless coomsumers, but golly gee we just don't have enough tech
>>3441 What I mean is that is not technology, but its misuse and it having more power than it is supposed to be. It may be a wording problem, but when I see users being « Anti-Technology » it reminds me of people who’s answer to the misuse of a tool is the abolition of a tool. Which brings me back to another point I made, banning things instead of educating your people is lazy statesmanship. Just because modern society has replaced God with technology and is now repeating the same mistakes of making this new god be the end-all solution of all your problems, completely taking all your responsibilities; does not mean that the correct course of action is to prohibit all technological advancements from an arbitrary point in time and forward. Is like people who complain about capitalism and thus want to get rid of capital (physical money) and use a nightmarishly inefficient bond system. Yes, it will get rid of capital, but it will not fix the source of the problem as it is bot capital, but our attitudes towards capital that are the problem. Same with technology, the problem is not that it is not making us into higher beings, but that people expect technology do that. And it not meeting these fantastic ideals of what we were promised technology would do is not a flaw nor a reason to get rid of it, but a reminder of how flawed we are.
>>3445 When you got the likes of >>2645 yapping how they do then I'll call a spade a spade (in this case, nerds and other degenerates who hate life and death since they see the beautiful tapestry and its agents as "oppressors" keeping them from becoming "liberated" "equal" men who can coom all they want).
>>3439 There really is no such thing as jewish science, what you're talking about are just lies, lies and science are complete opposites, why would we need another word for lies? Is that newspeak for meatheads? And if you're so anti technology stop using the nerd invented internet, getting tired from your hypocrisy, go live in the woods, the rest of humanity is moving on. I've noticed that you are putting your own words in other peoples mouths to serve your luddite agenda, then get offended at what you perceive the other poster meant and try to refute your own false perceptions, you must have some mental issues, were you raped by technology as a child?
>>3452 >There really is no such thing as jewish science, what you're talking about are just lies, lies and science are complete opposites Lol, the most devious trick that the Jews ever pulled on us was presenting science as some sort of absolute Truth and popularizing it among the masses. Evolution, atheism, soullessness, crass materialism, etc. Most of what is presented as modern "science" is complete bullshit and ignorant of anything beyond the material, and is backed up by certain ruling liberal ideologies. >And if you're so anti technology stop using the nerd invented internet, getting tired from your hypocrisy, go live in the woods. NPC-tier argument. This isn't centuries ago, you can't just go live in the woods on a whim without ZOG thugs throwing you in a cage. To live a normal life within the system you literally have to own a computer, a car and the like. This is on par with "hurr if you hate capitalism why do u use IPhones?? XD". When I do finally liberate myself from this ZOG plantation I'll be glad to never hear this type of garbage again. >the rest of humanity is moving on. Right off the cliff, the blind leading the blind. Anyone is smart will allow themselves to be left behind. >you must have some mental issues, were you raped by technology as a child? Your nose is showing.
>>3454 You are completely delusional, you will likely find yourself on a people reservation with all the other folks that insisted on living off the grid.
>>3452 >There really is no such thing as jewish science >i fucking love science Just go back to reddit. >what you're talking about are just lies, lies and science are complete opposites >he can't address how come so many science shills are poz monkeys ,>why would we need another word for lies? Is that newspeak for meatheads? And if you're so anti technology stop using the nerd invented internet >The United States' government had nothing to do with the internet's coming Thisis your brain on liberal/whig history. >getting tired from your hypocrisy, go live in the woods, the rest of humanity is moving on. So how proud will you be of your mulatto grandson? Or will you just coom until death? >>3457 Hilariously natural selection depends on accepting there's teleology in the universe. The only fedora tipper I know of who actually followed the implications of accepting natural selection led to him rejecting it. >>3454 You will never transfer your "consciousness" into a catgirl body or whatever you coom to yourself about. You will eat bugs and read cuck porn.
>>3457 >You are completely delusional Go back to Reddit if this is the extent of your arguing abilities.
>>3460 It's funny to see how hilariously Christian/Crypto-Jewish/Liberal/Coomer the "I fucking love science" crowd is. What with the disregard for their ties of blood, sex, community and accepting being a rootless coomsumer. Hatred for the body they were given (hence the edgy talk on muh emotions). Endless quest to "heal the world." Having practically no difference in in telos than an American Negro (coomsumption, muh dik).
>>3461 >It's funny to see how hilariously Christian/Crypto-Jewish/Liberal/Coomer the "I fucking love science" crowd is. I know. They cry out against Christianity and how "backwards" it is, but they themselves are completely infected by Abrahamic ideologies. They think themselves so enlightened and intelligent when they can themselves can barely correctly grasp the exoteric outer forms of authentic spiritual traditions (leading to "muh sky daddy strawmen), let alone the esoteric true core. I used to be as ignorant as that anon until I realized the end result of my implanted worldviews and realized what a degenerate I would have seemed like to my ancestors. Hopefully that anon can wake up as well.
>>3461 >"I fucking love science" they don't actually love it, nor do they even care about it. they care insofar as it props up their agenda, and acts as an infallible Scripture to back up their views. you can see this in the global warming movement, which cites the 'consensus' as if that's somehow irrefutable. in fact, there are a number of uncertainties and limitations in climate science, which is far from settled. science isn't done by consensus, and while you do give more weight to the best qualified, science is ultimately not based on authority or credentials, but on the scientific method. the fact that they use science as authoritative dogma is inherently contradictory, as science is supposed to be an antidote to dogmatic ideology. it only gets worse when neo-marxist politics infiltrate scientific institutions, dictate what's allowed to be researched and published, and then use these compromised findings as 'proof'.
>>3462 Relevant: https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=80DEC39AC33F39756BC1BE3DFCD6D189 (The Genesis of Science) https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=EE76E41275E64BECB3B7421A7B0D9204 (Dominion: How the Christian Revolution Remade the World) Of course, accepting what you learn from these sources mean Trads and other Christ followers who fancy themselves for Tradition are themselves misguided.
Hers is an apparently unpopular opinion around these parts: You don't have to be a right wing version of an SJW and a bible humping luddite to be a fascist.
>>3477 >bible humping Kek did you even read our posts? I think we might have shit on Christians and Abrahamics in nearly every post we've made in reply to you or to each other. I'm 100% pagan and unrepentant about it. > a right wing version of an SJW If not falling for kike bullshit and expecting people to adhere to certain standards makes me "a right wing version of an SJW" in your eyes, so be it.
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>>3479 Are you anti-science or are you not? Are you anti-technology or are you not? Can you argue without using buzzwords like "jewish science"? Can you argue one point at a time without constantly diverging and adding elements that are irrelevant to the argument? Arguing to you feels exactly as arguing to a religious fanatic.
>>3481 I don't think slippery slope can be considered a fallacy anymore, and you often can make a decent judgement of something based from where/whom it comes from. And, while I get what you're talking about, you yourself have presented loaded questions though I suppose a luddite would not mind being called anti-science or anti-tech
>>3482 Definition of slippery slope fallacy might be too vague in that infographic. Correlations can be either true or false, a deduction made on a false correlation could lead to a slippery slope fallacy. I don't see how my questions are loaded.
>>3483 >a deduction made on a false correlation could lead to a slippery slope fallacy Fair enough. The infographs are pretty good, though I think there is something to be said for appealing to nature, as we can see there can be dire consequences when things move away from their natural ways- fags and diseases, animals moving to unfamiliar habitats, etc. And I suppose it was a bit much to say your questions were loaded, apologies for that.
>>3481 >Arguing to you feels exactly as arguing to a religious fanatic I take that as a compliment. The principles of National Socialism are Truth. It’s not merely another ideology, it’s an express of dharma, the universal and eternal ordering principle of the cosmos as ordained by the Creator. We all have differing duties according to our particular material natures and a place in hierarchy. Your atheistic and materialistic conception of the universe is laughable and has an end result in nihilism. The universe is not dead and meaningless like (((science))) says, it is rife with many forms of life, whether they are divine beings (devas / gods), nagas, apsaras and yakshas, to use the Sanskrit names. The Primordial Aryan Tradition is in total coherence with actual science, since these natural laws are part and parcel of dharma. This >>3312 is what you need to understand.
>>3482 The difference between the slippery slope fallacy and the transitive property, I'm thinking of how it is used in mathematics here, is this: Example of valid argument: 1. If A then B 2. If B then C 3. If C then D 4. A is true Therefore, D is true Example of Slippery Slope fallacy: 1. If L then M 2. If P then Q 3. L is true Therefore, Q is true. Essentially it's about skipping a logical progression to the final conclusion.
>>3142 Slavery is degenerate and non-Aryan, it was always the mark of the downfall of Aryan societies. No exceptions. It makes the slaveowners decadent, dependent on slaves and introduces alien blood, which is never a good idea. Every nation has it's workers, it's scientists/priests/philosophers, it's artisans, it's warriors etc. They are distributed per natural proportions, and there is zero need of slaves. Slavery is quintessentially semitic. Mongrelized societies have no dharmic/racial balance and have to rely on subjugation in order to function. >>3208 >Pol Pot Wasn't that guy killing everyone who wore glasses or had a triple digit IQ because they were "intelligentsia"? Or was that Mao? Hard to tell a difference between /leftypol/ figures. His policies seem quite dysgenic, but feel free to explain why do you believe that not to be the case. >>3293 Scots were one of the nations which Engels and Marx saw as an obstacle to their Communist utopia and planned to ethnically cleanse. The Jew fears the mountain clan. >>3222 >Jews and gypsies on the other hand don't have such biological limitations They do, they don't posses consciousness and free will any more than a tick or mosquito does. They only appear to do so in order to deceive you. This mimicry, this "empathy" is part of their programming, they are not even doing it consciously. A Jew doesn't think "ha, I totally jewed this guy" when he does it, he believes to be doing something right. And he is, from the perspective of his socio-biological programming. Not only did they acquire a land of their own, but they also had control in white countries at the peak of their productivity, and were the safest in history. The fact that they continued jewing, corrupting and destroying white countries in spite of that, only proves my hypothesis. They are not people, no, not even animals, they are humanoid shaped bacteria, an overgrown HIV infection.
>>3439 >Nerds deserve to be bullied Absolutely adharmic. Animosity between the nerds and the "chads" is a modern sickness, everyone has his role in the organic whole. Transhumanism is just another Abrahamic theology but for nerds Correct. That does not mean that we should go to live in the mud huts however. Both extremes are terminal signs of a sick and lost society, lacking metaphysical principles. Transhumanism is nihilism, it will only lead to total dissolution (which is the actual endgame of it's Jewish propagators) >>3440 Even in truly liberal societies, segregation comes naturally. It's a natural cleansing process that doesn't need to be violent until "diversity" reaches it's terminal stages. Nothing in the so called "liberal" societies is free or natural however. It's 100% artificial and forced by ZOG. >>3452 I use the word "Jewish" synonymous with a lie, hence Jewish science would be false science, or not really science. They steal some theories from the Aryans, corrupt them (but keep them kind of practically functional, and somewhat making sense), add tons of pilpul to them, and sell them back to goyim at a high price. So yeah, it kind of works and makes sense, but not really when you try to get to the bottom of it. >>3454 >Most of what is presented as modern "science" is complete bullshit It's a religion made to impress the scientifically illiterate masses. The "I love science" types often don't have a clue about science, philosophy, mathematics etc. and are in the sub 110 IQ range. A true scientist always evaluates alternate and opposing theories, these people are pure believers. They are the modern equivalent of the flat earthers (which also made "perfect sense" back then) with the irony being completely lost on them. And the great majority of modern "scientists" are paper pushers entirely dependent on (((funding))). Whoever challenges the kike narrative, loses his career or gets "suicided" if his findings are threatening enough.
>>3495 /leftypol/ barely likes him. As far as I'm concerned, he hated smug city folks who thought they knew what was best for those dwelling on the countryside. It's the classic redneck vs. hipster divide in the states. Nice to know that about Marx, even more of a reason to dislike him. And Engels was a cuck on women suffrage. I like Socialism but Marx was a guy you had to take with a grain of salt and the people he influenced, particularly Bataille and Camatte were much better, if in ways Marx didn't influence them (Bataille's mysticism, Camatte's primitivism)
>>3439 Not all Nerds are into that. The ones I know aren't into science anymore or atheism. Scientism and atheism are normalfag-tier shit now. We're the ones being bullied.
I've seen evidence of these "suicidings" all over the net. It's an epidemic
>>3495 >His policies seem quite dysgenic, but feel free to explain why do you believe that not to be the case. I addressed this to an extent here and why it meshes with my ecofascist views >>3219: <I call myself a "tactical Pol Pot-ist" for only one reason -- I can push away all of the trash in the doctrine and see the good within it. I like the urban evacuations, I like the leveling character of the Khmer Rouge in action in certain areas (against the urban and industrial society), but besides that I do not like this man or the regime. I am personally not against the existence of religion (I am heavily pagan-influenced myself) and think that atheism has been harmful for society, and I am certainly not against all forms of private property. If you know anything about Pentti Linkola you can probably see where the overlap comes in. If not, see: http://www.penttilinkola.com/pentti_linkola/ecofascism/ >>3497 >Absolutely adharmic. Animosity between the nerds and the "chads" is a modern sickness, everyone has his role in the organic whole. The incel phenonemom is another good example of what happens when a society actively spurns dharma. The Bhagavata Purana predicts much of this in the 12th skandha: 12.2.3: >Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brāhmaṇa just by his wearing a thread. 12.3.31: >Because of the bad qualities of the age of Kali, human beings will become shortsighted, unfortunate, gluttonous, lustful and poverty-stricken. The women, becoming unchaste, will freely wander from one man to the next. 12.3.37: >In Kali-yuga men will be wretched and controlled by women. They will reject their fathers, brothers, other relatives and friends and will instead associate with the sisters and brothers of their wives. Thus their conception of friendship will be based exclusively on sexual ties. 12.3.42: >Men will no longer protect their elderly parents, their children or their respectable wives. Thoroughly degraded, they will care only to satisfy their own bellies and genitals. Let's see here, women will be unchaste and become extremely promiscuous, men will be predominantly beta and will be controlled by women, masculininity and femininty will be judged by sexual prowess, men and women will live together merely for sex and men will turn into coomers who spurn their own families. Sounds pretty accurate. Industrial society is the biggest thing to blame for this feminism and "women's liberation" and now we see what the result is. Women aren't completely at fault though, men are thoroughly degenerated as well. Until dharma is restored we will only continue to degenerate. There are even many people on this board in the women's thread who will call any true restoration of strīdharma (women's dharma) according to the shāstras and wider Aryan tradition "white sharia" or "extreme". Everyone is more or less a product of their age to an extent, I guess.
>>3498 It gets tiresome to make these distinctions all the time, for literally everything bad in our societies, but someone has to do it ... Cities are a natural development. They are places where scholars, traders, professionals, administrators etc. live. Since due to their specialization, they cannot live in villages efficiently, they converge in cities where they offer their services to the wider village folk in exchange of produce. Cities also serve as places of government and higher culture, hosting galleries, museums, concerts etc. The problem arose with governments trying to force peasantry into cities, which was caused partially by the industrial revolution, and partially by disincentives for farms and forcing urbanite standards on everyone. Which was again, caused by kike greed, but also, desire of peasants to give up everything in order to live in the city, sacrificing long term benefits for short term ones. Cities were never supposed to be large or host huge population. Again, we are faced with two equally wrong extremes, one being living in insect hives, another being that everyone should live as a peasant, permanently. >>3503 The animosity between peasants and citizens (those who belong in the city, which is a minority of their current population) is also adharmic and caused by mixing and confusing of the roles. Women are reflecting the values of society, which are defined by men. They are not chaste, because men do not want them to be chaste. I mean sure, you always had promiscuous women who fucked everyone (which is a beneficial role too), but they were at least pretending to be pure in public. Now, women who are naturally inclined to be more pure, try to act like whores due to social pressure. Highest species are most often monogamist, trying to force polygamy onto us is just another dysgenic practice utilized by kikes. Sex shouldn't be something "holy" or taboo either, judeo-christian notion of seeing it as something "sacred" is very degenerate as well, and was what made this rampant decadence possible in the first place. Without sexual repression, there is no "sexual liberation" either. >Everyone is more or less a product of their age to an extent, I guess. There is so much sexual imagery everywhere that one needs an iron will not to be affected by it. Besides, many of us are degenerate in our own ways, but we can at least recognize it and strive towards something better, rather than finding excuses to justify it.
>>3522 Just to be clear I’m the Tor guy you’re responding to. >The animosity between peasants and citizens (those who belong in the city, which is a minority of their current population) is also adharmic and caused by mixing and confusing of the roles. You’re completely right. In your reply to the other anon (who is much more in line with Pol Pot iirc than I am outside of the narrow ecofascist / tactical sense) you mention how cities are a natural development. This is definitely true, they have existed for millennia as natural places of government, religious centers and the like, along with everything else you mentioned. I am moreso against the modern concrete jungle hellhole than the existence of cities period. Forcing everyone to become a peasant is adharmic and therefore degenerate and something I am not in favor of. Perhaps associating myself with this man brings onto too many connotations that it’d be easier to avoid otherwise. I definitely think extremely radical measures would have to be taken by a government in order to restore dharma and protect the natural environment against current techno-industrial civilization, but I would never wish to abolish private property, destroy religion and turn 95-97% of the country into peasants on collective farms. >Sex shouldn't be something "holy" or taboo either, judeo-christian notion of seeing it as something "sacred" is very degenerate as well, and was what made this rampant decadence possible in the first place. Without sexual repression, there is no "sexual liberation" either. I think we agree here, but what I support would still be considered repressive by today’s standards. I am wholly opposed to fornicators and adulterers just like our pre-Abrahamic ancestors and all homo trash, but when it comes to the body or modesty. Of course what I refer to here is impossible without a massive change in attitude and values. The kikes have made everything sexual and bombard us with it constantly. Honestly I see it as no surprise that it was big-nosed, beady-eyed, big-eared, curly-haired Semites who developed these extremist and self-hating positions towards the body. They’re hideous.
>>3529 >Honestly I see it as no surprise that it was big-nosed, beady-eyed, big-eared, curly-haired Semites who developed these extremist and self-hating positions towards the body. They’re hideous. Wasn't Sartre like that?
>>3558 Checks out. Really makes me think how the author of “Anti-Semite and Jew” looks like such a kike himself
>>932 You're right as they all worship the same God anyways
>>3558 He was a marxist
>>3565 well no shit
>>3503 ><I call myself a "tactical Pol Pot-ist" for only one reason -- I can push away all of the trash in the doctrine and see the good within it. I like the urban evacuations, I like the leveling character of the Khmer Rouge in action in certain areas (against the urban and industrial society), but besides that I do not like this man or the regime. I am personally not against the existence of religion (I am heavily pagan-influenced myself) and think that atheism has been harmful for society, and I am certainly not against all forms of private property. If you know anything about Pentti Linkola you can probably see where the overlap comes in. If not, see: I'm closer to him than you. and am against most forms of private property, but I do agree with you on religion.
>>3568 That could come off as a bit of an understatement of my position however. Due to the position that we've found ourselves in I certainly do take Pentti Linkola's idea of ending most businesses completely. Only absolutely necessary production / manufacturing should be going on and will be under state control. Products must be made as durable as possible. This would never be necessary if it were not for the predicament we've placed ourselves in.
>>3569 If we got rid of planned obsolesce and similar practices, production would reduce tenfold, and so would pollution/resource exploitation. How many shoes do you change in 10 years? Now imagine having shoes that last for 10-20? Or a car, tv, etc. People repairing broken things rather than turning them into waste and buying new ones. Without losing much of quality or appearance. There is no need to go full retard. And ecological extremism is just that.
Not really an unpopular opinion. I just didn't want to clutter your board with a useless thread. Dropped by to say that I'm impressed by the overall civility and level of intellectual discourse on your board. It’s rare to see actual theory/books being legitimately discussed in online communities. I oppose the vast majority of your ideas, but I have more respect for ideological opponents who are coherent and learned in their beliefs than imbeciles who happen to hold views tangentially related to mine. That said, I hope you never get anywhere. But you have my respect as opponents. (PS: I'm sort of a statist socialist/mutualist if you need to label me)
>>3648 >That said, I hope you never get anywhere We will, anon, just remember that.
>>3648 >Tito, Hitler, Trotsky and Stalin sitting at a cafe in Vienna.png You are free to debate your views, I don't think mods will intervene if you are not too obnoxious, try to forcefully change the nature of the board or keep raising points which were debunked countless times (although you could hardly know this if you didn't lurk for a while)
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>>3651 >I don't think mods will intervene if you are not too obnoxious Can confirm.
>>3649 Not with technology. Only way to revolt is to revolt against industry.
>>3648 respectable, but don't post here ever again.
>>3667 Read the rules here, anon
>>3671 sorry my autism acted up because he was being a cunt.
>>3680 He pretty much complimented the board. Compared to the natural state of /pol/ we’re great, and that anon was acknowledging that despite not being a fascist himself.
>>3684 I know but that one thing he could've left out.
>>3005 You can post more than one sentence in a single reply, anon.
>>3718 He can’t seem to figure it out. He’s the reason there’s even a rule against double posting here.
>>3719 which I think is stupid because I post in a stream of consciousness way that irks people and I cannot understand why. does it affect your autism or something?
>>3764 It means you are a chat-addicted, ADD ridden zoomer who can't form a coherent post containing more than one sentence. Open a notepad, attach those and then copy paste them together or something.
>>3764 You’ve been told this before – think before you post. No one wants to scroll through five or six posts in a row all by the same person, most of them only being a few words in length. Everyone doubleposts occasionally but have you realized that no one else posts in a “stream of consciousness” here or anywhere else? Do what >>3770 said.
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>>3780 Yes I have I'm just too different I guess
Time to cool off that doubleposting for a bit
>>3770 Actually not a zoomer. Xennial.
>>3823 For those curious it’s only a 24-hour ban. I can’t have the rule and not enforce it forever. I’m not alone in thinking it’s annoying, that much is clear, especially when it’s not hard to not do if one would simply wait to submit posts.
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>>3822 >I don't have a problem with LEGAL immigration irl, And you're going to talk about what's legal? The flooding of our countries with third world refuse has been happening "legally" even though not one EVER voted for it, everything just happened behind our backs all at the same time in some shady backroom meeting. (see: recent Marrakesh agreement aka "migration pact" where they will criminalize disagreeing with the childrape and violence from invading third world trash while only put us in debt by mooching) > as long as they obey the laws and assimilate to the host society and its culture. likewise, if I lived in another country, I would observe their customs. Rich, you know moving to another country you know you will still always be seen as a foreigner right? Because that is what you are. >of all places, /fascist/ is not where you should flout law and order. Thats fucking rich. Law and order from who? The evil criminals who keep signing marrakesh agreements aka "migration compacts" and global U.N patriot acts destroying our nations? Selling our people out whole sale and tell their future generations they will be black worldwide instead of getting tried for treason in a people's court? >you have to adapt to the status quo. Go fuck yourself coward. Enjoy your future of a subhuman dystopia in 30-40 years, think detroit/baltimore/malmö we will see how much you enjoy it then fucking retard.
>>3827 >The flooding of our countries with third world refuse has been happening "legally" to clarify, by legal immigration, I mean that all persons seeking residency should be vetted and screened through a process to ensure that they can assimilate, contribute, and do not have criminal/terrorist histories. I don't see the migrant invasion of Europe as a legitimate process. keep in mind I'm an Amerimutt, so the US situation is my default. fortunately, with Trump in office, we're far better defended than Europe, where globalist consolidation of power is further advanced under the auspices of the EU. of course, the globalist shills known as the Democrats are trying their hardest to undermine our borders, but the Wall is underway. >Rich, you know moving to another country you know you will still always be seen as a foreigner right? Because that is what you are. of course. if I lived in Japan, in spite of my study of their language and culture, I'd always be a gaikokujin. that's why I support western ethnostates, just as the Muslims, East Asians, and Jews have their ethnostates -- we all need a place to call home. >Thats fucking rich. Law and order from who? The evil criminals who keep signing marrakesh agreements aka "migration compacts" and global U.N patriot acts destroying our nations? again, I don't consider globalist rule to be legitimate. they are an imperialist regime in the making, and their 'laws' are in violation of higher law, which human law may or may not be consistent with. >Go fuck yourself coward. Enjoy your future of a subhuman dystopia in 30-40 years, think detroit/baltimore/malmö we will see how much you enjoy it then fucking retard. you seem to thoroughly misunderstand me. the status quo must be based upon legitimate concepts. the globalist status quo is one we all have a duty to defy via the populist uprising; I've already done my part by voting for Trump. assuming we are victorious, I would expect non-Western immigrants to respect Western culture and assimilate to it. letting people into your country who are culturally incompatible, and who make no effort to learn the language/culture and assimilate, is a very bad idea, especially in large numbers. it's bound to cause chaos and undermine the body politic, which of course is the globalist plan -- they're using mass migration as artillery against Western heritage and nation-states. it is precisely because the migrants bring the 3rd world with them, instead of adapting to the Western status quo, that we're at risk of ending up in the dystopia you referred to.
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>>3829 I wonder how people like you find their way to places like this, what you wrote is extremely gullible and bluepilled. "Muslim" is not an ethnicity. Nor is "American" . I wish I could find that Goebbels' quote on Americans right now, some of you are really a lost case.
>>3829 > I've already done my part by voting for Trump. Is this parody?
>>3833 Goebbels. that's funny coming from a guy who looks like a rat faced kike himself.
>>3829 Sorry I jumped on the gun there but. Unfortunately you seem to misunderstand some of the situation, this has been going on for a long time. It's not a question of legality or not, it's a question of what have these people, more specifically Jews and their collaborates have been doing to America and other places since and before the (jewish)"hart-cellar" bill written by the Jew Norbert Schlei and was sneakily browbeat into American law by their collaborating stooges like president (Lyndon J), again behind the scenes(because it was treason and nobody would have voted for such atrocious, destructive policies) >National Origins FormulaIt aimed to reduce the overall number of unskilled immigrants, to allow European families to re-unite, and to prevent immigration from changing the ethnic distribution of the largely Northwestern European-descended United States population. The hart cellar bill and others only reason they keep doing these backhanded policies to pollute America with nonwhites, aka "diversity", opening up the floodgates to the third world has no rationality other than deliberate destruction, the same reason israel does not take refugees, and as in true dictatorship style the bill and others like it has never been considered irresponsible it's "beyond reproach", because it's intentions are to destroy white nations, their genocidal plans as the hooton/kalergi plan already outlines this judeomarxist plan and is really nothing new if you have paid a little bit of attention to the events since after WW2. >, I would expect non-Western immigrants to respect Western culture and assimilate to it. letting people into your country who are culturally incompatible, and who make no effort to learn the language/culture and assimilate, is a very bad idea, especially in large numbers Yes however Integration/assimilation is a myth, simply does not exist to make people fall for their propaganda. People like animals naturally favour their in-group(the ones similar to them) always, you witness this all the time in real life anything else is rarity. It has already been found that racial genes predict behavior, the fact that the mud races fuck like rabid animals is the biggest issue. They do not procreate like native population and that is the whole (planned) issue importing these people to genocide native European populations by birth rates, ironically enough leftists have no qualms about protesting this when it happened to Tibet by China, or other nations/cultures but because they are essentially the system's sick and naive little goons and they try their best to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative they were injected with. >Trump People voted for trump due to his promises on closing the floodgates that pollute America and sending the foreigners and aliens back, and halting the flow of unskilled, criminal third worlders did he fulfill this promise? No he did not. In fact apparently according to some statistics (((immigration))) has increased from the third world. The traitor trump only pulled a tactical little stunt to make it seem he was following up on it where he restricted immigrants from countries thousands of miles away not even relevant to America's demographic problem like Mexico and doing vile shit like forcibly inserting in thousands of alien somalis who have been going on gang raping/crime sprees in Minnesota destroying small communities/towns causing literally causing immediate 60% increase in crime. By the way, Jews these days are freely bragging about their plans of genociding entire of white nations with glee, dont you think that's wierd? Even though it is strictly illegal by UN international law prohibiting population replacement whole or in-part over multiple paragraphs. These laws do not apply and are not followed because these people are above any law, in fact because they make them in whole or partial and influence our whole political system with their extremely disproportionate, always jaded media control pushing their narratives and dictating what people feel hear and see and censoring every piece of "inconvenient" information. Just like the Norbert Schlei treasonous bill their puppet Lyndon Johnson passed with an executive order. It does not matter as much what you consider legitimate or not, it is illegitimate and illegal, but the only thing that matters right now is that they are doing this unhindered, and have been doing so. Unquestioned for decades, and without being held accountable for their actions. And why is that? Media control, however people are waking up to this at an increasing rate, what remains as you say is for something to actually be done about the problem before it's too late.
>>3829 >I've already done my part by voting for Trump. /fascist/ 2020
>>3833 >"Muslim" is not an ethnicity. Nor is "American" that is true, I should've specified Arab and Western European. race and culture often coincide; while culture is most important, the direct descendants of a culture are best qualified to propagate it. >>3834 >>3844 Trump is based while still having mainstream appeal. he needs his constituents, such as GOP (excluding RINOs), military, gun lobby, and evangelicals, to name a few. in fact, his support for Israel is largely to appease the religious right, alongside maintaining that country as a proxy. if he went too far, he wouldn't have a unified base as he does. >>3843 there's alot I agree with here. however, let me be clear: I'm opposed to open borders. however, we should not (in theory) swing to the opposite extreme of hermit kingdoms. trade and immigration can be beneficial, so long as they are kept within legal and reasonable limits. we need a trickle, not a flood. as for Trump, keep in mind that the Wall has been continuously obstructed by Congress and courts. it's in its initial phases, it will be built, and that's what matters. again, he's doing what he can while NPC's in positions of power actively oppose his every move, this includes not only district courts and the House, but also civil servants who are purposely even more inefficient than usual. Trump is working for us, but he has to proceed carefully.
>>3868 >Trump is based while still having mainstream appeal. How exactly is Trump based? Mainstream appeal is totally Jew-defined. They control all sources of "public enlightenment" - entertainment, news media, biggest websites, academia, etc. Having mainstream appeal under ZOG means becoming ZOG-palatable (i.e. kosherizing your platform). Trump was "good" only to the extent that in 2015-2016 he said he would try to do certain things such as build the wall, throttle Mexico, ban Muslims, mass deportations, end wars, etc. But then it turned out that he was just another Jewish neocon. I can't believe that anyone still thinks Trump is worth voting for again in 2020. I hope a Democrat wins just for the acceleration at this point. >his support for Israel is largely to appease the religious right His family is utterly tied up with Jews. Even his own daughter is a Jew. Trump has Jewish grandchildren now. Last month Mark Levin went as far to call him "the first Jewish president". Levin, though a Jew himself, is clearly not that far off from the mark. He has gone above and beyond what he would need to do if he had just wanted to appease the religious right. He's moved the embassy to Jerusalem, recognized Israel's control over the Golan Heights, increased the money flow to Israel, signed executive orders in favor of the Jewish people and caried out World Jewry's foreign policy in the Middle East by attacking Syria twice and worsening the situation with Iran. This is all from a president who campaigned agaisnt endless wars. Do I have to mention Sholom Rubashkin as well? Also lets not forget Trump's repeated denunciations of anti-semitism. You can't brush these aside as mere "optics" for his base when, as I said above, his own bloodline has become judaized. >alongside maintaining that country as a proxy. Lol @ thinking that Israel is an American proxy THERE IS NO DEMOCRATIC SOLUTION
>>3871 yes, and notice how those things you mentioned -- entertainment, news, social media, academia -- are virulently anti-Trump. I take that as a positive sign. I see Trump as a master strategist. he plays the long game, and he does whatever he needs to do to achieve victory long-term. this seems to involve confrontation with Iran, and yes, working with Jews. after all, one of their most potent weapons for tar-and-feathering their opponents is to label them anti-semitic, which is made ineffective by all that Trump has done. overall, I favor the red pill over the black pill & accelerationism.
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>>3868 >while culture is most important Wrong, culture is dependent on genes. And genes are more important regardless. I'd rather be surrounded only by whites whatever their culture or beliefs are (well, provided they are not for importing non-whites at least, that would make the whole thing pointless) than some niggers who (((integrate))) into whatever retarded civnat concept of a "nation" kikes have come up with. Civic nationalism = globalism. Western Europe is also made out of distinct nations and cultures. Laws are defined by the ruling elite. If kikes introduce a law that you should hang yourself by the balls, would you do it because it's legal? You should read through a couple of threads here and educate yourself a bit before you post. >>3878 There is no such thing as negative publicity, the man himself said it. They "attack" him so fools like you think he's legitimate. I wish I had a higher res version of pic related.
>>3879 >Wrong, culture is dependent on genes. genes certainly influence culture, but in theory, you can be converted to any culture regardless of genes, especially if raised in it from an early age. however, in practice, culture tends to be propagated by direct descent. there are numerous historical examples of peoples retaining certain key qualities through very different environments and circumstances. one of my first red pills was reading Thomas Sowell, specifically Black Rednecks and White Liberals, where he delves into all this. the chapter on slavery educated me quite a bit. >I'd rather be surrounded only by whites whatever their culture or beliefs are (well, provided they are not for importing non-whites at least, that would make the whole thing pointless) than some niggers who (((integrate))) into whatever retarded civnat concept of a "nation" kikes have come up with. I think both ethnicity and culture matter, with culture being most important, and ethnicity being the most important conduit of culture. >Civic nationalism = globalism. there's definitely overlap there. however, I think there's a healthy middle ground between a pure ethnostate vs a civnat state with no sense of community/tradition/history whatsoever. I think Israel serves as an ideal ethnostate for the Jews in spite of its Arab minority. you can maintain your people while allowing limited foreign exchange. as I said, a trickle, not a flood. >If kikes introduce a law that you should hang yourself by the balls, would you do it because it's legal? as I said earlier, not all laws and authorities are legitimate. human law is valid insofar as it's consistent with higher law. >There is no such thing as negative publicity, the man himself said it. They "attack" him so fools like you think he's legitimate. I think Trump presents a real challenge to globalist hegemony, as does Brexit. I doubt the relentless criticism of right-wing populism is all a manufactured puppet show. as I said, Trump is a strategist, his enemies hoped to defeat him with their control of media, only for it to work against them.
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>>3884 >but in theory Humanism and other kike garbage not based in scientific reality. You can dress a dog into a suit and teach it to bark a few words, that doesn't make it human. Other races can only emulate the culture (and fail miserably at it, as we have seen all over the world) Besides, cultural imperialism destroys autochthonous nations, regardless of race. Initially those who are subjugated by it, but ultimately, the one making the core population of the empire. As we have witnessed with literally every empire in modern history. When your "nation" is based on arbitrary, Talmudic concepts like universalist religion, inorganic culture, (((humanist/liberal values))) etc, it ceases to exist, because those things lack fundamental reality. Nations can only be organic, or hybrid. Americans can be a hybrid nation (and by hybrid I mean a generic "white" nation that's a mix of various genetically and culturally compatible European nations), they just need to come to their senses, which is the difficult part. It was envisioned as such country in the first place. >and ethnicity being the most important conduit of culture That's not how nature and reality work, I'm beginning to think that you are just trolling. Alternatively, the product of your current "culture" is not very pretty. >I think Israel serves as an ideal ethnostate for the Jews Jews are not a real nation, and they are getting outbred by Arabs and mixed with Slavs which they keep importing >insofar as it's consistent with higher law. And what higher law might that be? >I think Trump presents a real challenge to globalist hegemony You can have globalism without open borders. We can all pretend to be living in real nations while we get flooded with subhumans and ruled with (((international elements))), protecting our arbitrary borders and "cultures" from the other fake countries. You can be the team red, and I will be the team blue. And my niggers would be better than yours, because they were born on MY side of the border. Goebbels was right, culture over there is seen as commodity and the concept of identity is absolutely absurd.
>>3885 >Humanism and other kike garbage not based in scientific reality. I agree that there are differences between the races, mental and physical. but I'm sure you've heard of minorities becoming 'whitewashed', or european travellers 'going native'. this suggests that cultural diffusion can be horizontal as well as vertical. ethnic differences present a barrier, but not one that's impenetrable. in spite of our differences, we are all homo sapiens, and we're all capable of breeding with each other and having fertile offspring. we have both similarities and differences. it's comparable to dog breeds, which can be very different in build, temperament, and capability, but ultimately, all are canis lupus familiaris. likewise, different peoples can have very different qualities, while still sharing a baseline humanity. I agree that nations must have shared tradition/history/culture/blood in order to be viable. however, you can have some degree of exchange and resident minorities, as long as its within limits. Japan may be a better example -- they allow foreign visitors and residents, within limits, but that nation is still thoroughly Japanese in language, culture, and ethnicity, as it should be. >Jews are not a real nation, and they are getting outbred by Arabs and mixed with Slavs which they keep importing I think Jews understand the importance of tradition and blood, even while they deny it to others, which is why they maintain an ethnostate in spite of pushing for open borders elsewhere. Israel is mostly Jewish, and this is upheld by its laws and institutions. >Alternatively, the product of your current "culture" is not very pretty. this has everything to do with globalism, the talmud, and marxism. >And what higher law might that be? it's alot to get into, but if you study political philosophy, there is a concept of universal law, which cannot be abrogated by humans, and our own laws are only valid when consistent with the higher good. you'll find this in Greek & Roman thought, especially Cicero; it's also known as Dharma in the east. >You can have globalism without open borders. We can all pretend to be living in real nations while we get flooded with subhumans and ruled with (((international elements))), protecting our arbitrary borders and "cultures" from the other fake countries. if borders aren't enforced, they may as well not exist. if countries are being inundated by 3rd world migrants, then this is equivalent to open borders, regardless of de jure status. >Goebbels was right, culture over there is seen as commodity and the concept of identity is absolutely absurd. this is only partly true. yes, culture is manufactured and commodified in the US, but there is also a sense of identity that is more genuine. this can be seen in Christianity, in nostalgia for the Wild West, and most of all in Constitutionalism, specifically the Bill of Rights, which presents a serious obstacle to globalist consolidation. it's hardly a coincidence that our enemies have concentrated their attacks on free speech and gun rights, which are secured by the 1st and 2nd amendments respectively.
>>87 >literal redditor meme >muh shitskin religion
>>3885 Goebbels looked suspiciously like one of them, besides how do you explain Brazilian Integralism? they're one of the most mixed nations in the world and managed to have fascists. Hitlerists are just fucking annoying with their purity spiraling.
>>3959 >Hitlerists are just fucking annoying with their purity spiraling. Purity spiraling = having standards. The views espoused by the NSDAP were anything but extreme or particularly unusual a century ago. What was novel was merely that they were being put into place on such a large scale through state power.
>>3926 >I agree that there are differences between the races, mental and physical Objectively qualitative. >we are all homo sapiens We are also carbon-based lifeforms, why base everything on the lowest common denominator? That's awfully dysgenic and contrary to natural laws. Why not make chimeras, furries, rat-people etc. in a lab? That would be pretty diverse and they would still share some baseline qualities with us. >and having fertile offspring So was every species at one point, before it broke off and evolved further. Kikes want to make sure that doesn't happen to whites. There are also birds which can have fertile offspring with other types but don't do it. You can have a fertile offspring with a seriously genetically defective person which is certain to pass those genetic defects onto it's offspring, that doesn't mean you should do it. Mixing with lesser races is no different. Why would anyone want to be a hideous, smelly, disgusting brown animal? My opinion wouldn't be any different even if I was a brown blob myself, or maybe it would because I would be thinking more like an animal then. I have no issue recognizing there being people genetically superior to me (and especially to most of my countrymen whom I would gladly replace with superior people), but then again, my race allows me to have a certain rational capacity to understand it. >However, you can have some degree of exchange and resident minorities, as long as its within limits. Japan may be a better example Agreed, I never implied that there shouldn't be a single non-white. I'm also far more tolerant of (east) Asians and can even sympathize them (at least as individuals), compared to some other races. >There is a concept of universal law, which cannot be abrogated by humans, and our own laws are only valid when consistent with the higher good This is also what Globalists, Talmudists and Marxists believe, what makes your version of the universal law and "higher good" better than theirs? Or maybe those are all one and the same >if borders aren't enforced, they may as well not exist. If borders are not protecting something of fundamental essence from corruption, they should not exist. >which presents a serious obstacle to globalist consolidation Yeah, ironically, most of us wouldn't be able to post this stuff freely without US constitution. >>3959 Fascism is more flexible than NatSoc because it's less organic, but I don't think it would be viable in Brazil. Maybe if you gathered the whitest of them to be the ruling caste and exterminated all the niggers. >>3962 This. Not to discourage any brown people from attempting it, many of them worldwide do recognize white superiority (not in chauvinistic sense promoted by the kikes). In fact, if we asked every person in the world which race would they (truly) want to be, most of them would choose white. Only deranged SJW's , kikes (not even all of them) and other degenerates would choose otherwise.
Two things, despite him never shutting up about Israel I think Trump would have been extremely good if it weren't for the 24/7 news barrage about shit that doesn't even matter (Russia for two years, muh "concentration camps" and family seperation at the border, now this impeachment shit) and old hags in Congress cockblocking him from ever doing anything. Despite how stagnant everything has been I think the economy is way better than under Obama and millennials complaining about the tax changes (because fellow millennials that I socialize with are blaming the Trump tax plan for their monetary ineptitude) are just bad at life and money. Also not counting him out yet for 2020, I honestly thought he was just going to flat out flop on 2016. But there is less "meme magic." TL;DR - Trump is alright excepting Israeli shilling Also I think modern Vietnam is the only country where "communism" is "working." It's a country that functions and doesn't outwardly punish you for existing, and that is pretty alright.
>>3962 not really. its reductionist and serves no other purpose than divide and conquer.
>>4007 Having some standards is necessary. We are racialists, we want men of quality and we expect certain standards of behavior. If this is divide and conquer then I am the supreme divider-and-conquerer and have no regrets for not wanting to build a movement of mutts, the undisciplined and other degenerates.
>>3985 >We are also carbon-based lifeforms, why base everything on the lowest common denominator? That's awfully dysgenic and contrary to natural laws. Why not make chimeras, furries, rat-people etc. in a lab? That would be pretty diverse and they would still share some baseline qualities with us. the point I'm trying to make is that we have commonalities and differences. the cultural marxist belief in equality, that all humans are equally capable and worthy, is absurd. at the same time, some white nationalists go too far in dismissing the humanity of brown people. we all have some share of reason and potential, but the amount allocated to individuals and groups varies. >Agreed, I never implied that there shouldn't be a single non-white. I'm also far more tolerant of (east) Asians and can even sympathize them (at least as individuals), compared to some other races. cultures/races vary, and some minorities are much more productive than others. the key is to maintain the predominance of your race/culture within your borders, allowing others in as long as they can assimilate as a minority. >This is also what Globalists, Talmudists and Marxists believe, what makes your version of the universal law and "higher good" better than theirs? Or maybe those are all one and the same postmodernism believes that there's no objective truth, that everything depends on one's point of view. from there, they attempt to deconstruct, undermine, and ridicule philosophy, religion, mythos, and tradition. this is the ideological kernel of globalism, social justice, and many current forms of degeneracy. this is all a departure from universal constants, which we are tasked to discover and follow. keep in mind that a universal law doesn't mean everyone is under the exact same rules -- in a dharmic society, different castes have different duties and expectations, similar to noblesse oblige, resulting in harmony overall. the difference between a dharmic society and a globalist/talmudic/marxist society is that the latter takes their particular doctrine, and falsely claims it to be universally true, instead of seeking out universal truth on its own terms. they use criticism/deconstruction against all ideas except their own, which of course are protected from scrutiny. >If borders are not protecting something of fundamental essence from corruption, they should not exist. thus, borders should coincide with ethnostates when feasible. >>4011 there is a middle ground between purity spirals and anything goes, which is where standards should be.
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>>4025 >the point I'm trying to make is that we have commonalities and differences. the cultural marxist belief in equality, that all humans are equally capable and worthy, is absurd. at the same time, some white nationalists go too far in dismissing the humanity of brown people. we all have some share of reason and potential, but the amount allocated to individuals and groups varies. I want you to explain what kind of "humanity" this is. There is no quick or easy fix of redemption for these people, they are just different, they are like this. The concept of Humanity is not all encompassing, it is simply just a nice sounding cliche of cultural marxist expressionism, that word is simply a nice pat in the back as an ideological coping mechanism for retards who cannot understand how deep different races fundamental differences go in rejection of natural differences in racial intelligence and behavior. Will they ever be able to reach humanity? I don't know, I believe so but it will take a large amount of time with little to no interference and ultimately they themselves desiring to become it of their own volition and effort, but only they can change that. And I hope someday they do, but we cannot do anything about it. The British and french tried and failed, the missionaries tried and failed. In any case, it breaks the laws of nature to change these people to something they're not. As it is now they get their sum total of sustenance from globalists with ulterior motive and agenda, so they cannot learn the lesson and are stunted from evolving as a people. That is evil.
>>3994 There are two major developments in Zionist rule that remain a constant no matter which political puppet is in power, or even which artificial system is in place. That is the thread which links American neoliberalism, Communism, Islamic states, EU, various co-opted empires in history etc. One is constant mixture of the races (combined with total degeneration of culture, standards and values, creation of "lower humanity" even within one race, as it's the case with western consumerism, Islamic shitholes or homo sovieticus) and another is their aim to achieve absolute power over anyone who is not them, and subjugate them to the worst living conditions physically possible. Trump is just a minor, cosmetic change within the same system, and you are an idiot (as defined by the ancient Greeks) if you think otherwise. Or a shill who lost himself on his way to Reddit.
>>4011 >We are racialists some of you are. some of us aren't and just want a strong militaristic state.
>>4034 >”At least I have muh strong authoritarian state...”
>>4035 I'm not a civic nationalist, I'm a religious nationalist. that means atheists get killed.
and so do jews
>>4036 >I'm not a civic nationalist, I'm a religious nationalist. It’s equally as cucked if it denies the reality of race. “w-well we’re all the same religion here, that’s what really matters at the end of the d-day right?” is a type of thinking which is basically civic nationalism in another garb, since membership in the nation is based merely on believing something alone rather than what one IS.
>>4025 As another anon explained, there is no such thing as "humanity". What you are referring to are degrees of consciousness, which do make up a gradient, but the one where a threshold/cutoff exists. Once you get past certain degree of nonwhite blood, you are pretty much a lost cause. Of course, there are exceptions, and rare, but existent exceptional individuals of other races (exceptional, exceptions, eh?) but that doesn't mean that we should accept them as a principle. Also, what most people don't realize is that even if you have a genius nigger, his descendants won't necessarily be geniuses and might end up being typical niggers, due to how genes (and other, non-materialistic principles that I won't get into here) work. This is why the broad racial potential is much more important. Hitler didn't say that your people are your greatest treasure without reason ... By taking away individuals which are their race's greatest actualization, and forcing them to integrate into yours, you are effectively destroying both, and ensuring that those other races are never going to evolve! No Talmudic, artificial scam can supplant natural laws, as we can witness clearly in modern societies. What they need is a system where such individuals can actually develop themselves and improve their societies (genetic pool as well) without being figuratively (or literally) cannibalized by their lesser brethren. That can include their temporary relocation into more civilized countries, but without making them forget where they come from, and where they belong. It is in fact, such people who should be the most adamant supporters of eugenics and population control in their native lands. >some minorities are much more productive than others Productive towards ... what exactly? Making your Jewish boss even more rich? You are still thinking in Talmudic terms. If you need slaves, you are a degenerate. No exceptions. >as long as they can assimilate For what purpose? You want them because they are different, then take away the very thing which makes them different. Do you realize just how retarded civic nationalism is? You criticize cultural Marxism, then proceed to make an argument that culture can be changed like a pair of socks. >believes that there's no objective truth That's hardly logical. That objective truth not excluding subjectivity however. >they attempt to deconstruct When you deconstruct your body, you end up with atoms. The sum of which hardly makes a man. This is just a process of disintegration wrapped up as analysis. >and falsely claims it to be universally true Which is why any notion of "universal law/good" should be approached with extreme caution. >there is a middle ground between purity spirals and anything goes, which is where standards should be. Not wanting to have brown people among our ranks is hardly purity signalling. Purity signalling would be excluding people who are not blonde, those who have slight nonwhite admixture, or those who are predominantly white genetically but live in majority nonwhite countries.
>>4036 >I'm a religious nationalist Unless that religion is some form of ethno-heathenism or is racially exclusive/recognizes racial hierarchy, it's pretty much the same thing as civic nationalism. In fact, atheists are preferable to universalist (especially Abrahamistic) religions because they are supposed to recognize the empirical difference in biological quality at least. >>4037 Including spiritual Jews
>>4026 as I said, we're all endowed with reason and consciousness, to greater or lesser degrees. however, this difference in degree can be significant, and cultural differences can be an even greater barrier. by culture, I refer not just to language, cuisine, clothing, etc. but basic assumptions about the world and our place within it. fundamental differences in values can lead to cultures which are incompatible, and peoples who cannot be assimilated into Western society with any degree of ease. I won't say it's impossible, but the obstacles are too great. this is exactly why letting migrants pour into the West is a highly destructive policy, which of course is all part of the globalist plan to sabotage Western nation-states, and replace them with an imperialist regime. btw, what I said is true of other cultures, not just the West. the reason the Chinese are placing Uighurs in re-education camps is because of the cultural incompatibility between them and the Han. another example is Myanmar's dealings with the Rohingya Muslims, again there is a basic incompatibility between radical Muslims who dindu nuffin versus a civilized Eastern state that embraces Buddhism; thus, Myanmar takes the necessary measures to defend itself. note that in both these cases, the leftist media is screeching about injustice and atrocities, while ignoring the violence caused by migrants in the West. it's all part of the plan. >In any case, it breaks the laws of nature to change these people to something they're not. As it is now they get their sum total of sustenance from globalists with ulterior motive and agenda, so they cannot learn the lesson and are stunted from evolving as a people. That is evil. I agree with this, and one of the benefits of ethnostates is preventing clashes between incompatible peoples. ideally, the higher cultures will radiate their qualities to the lower, so that they learn and improve on their own. at the same time, the floodgates should remain closed to prevent debasement. >>4030 >One is constant mixture of the races (combined with total degeneration of culture, standards and values, creation of "lower humanity" even within one race, as it's the case with western consumerism, Islamic shitholes or homo sovieticus) and another is their aim to achieve absolute power over anyone who is not them, and subjugate them to the worst living conditions physically possible. yes, they want to bring us to the lowest common denominator so that we become useful servants for the ruling technocratic class. as for living conditions, there's already an effort to normalize living in pods and eating insects. >Trump is just a minor, cosmetic change within the same system, and you are an idiot (as defined by the ancient Greeks) if you think otherwise. Or a shill who lost himself on his way to Reddit. I honestly believe the globalist elites were not counting on Trump and Brexit, this is a greater degree of pushback sooner than they had anticipated, which is why they've been flailing around since 2016. I think you're being too pessimistic. >>4039 >What you are referring to are degrees of consciousness, which do make up a gradient, but the one where a threshold/cutoff exists. >By taking away individuals which are their race's greatest actualization, and forcing them to integrate into yours, you are effectively destroying both, and ensuring that those other races are never going to evolve! No Talmudic, artificial scam can supplant natural laws, as we can witness clearly in modern societies. What they need is a system where such individuals can actually develop themselves and improve their societies (genetic pool as well) without being figuratively (or literally) cannibalized by their lesser brethren. I think we're more in agreement than disagreement here. the main exception is that I don't see a threshold, just lesser degrees depending on genes and culture. as I said, there can be almost insurmountable differences between us, but I believe there is at least potential even for the lowest and most barbaric of us, as long as they're not invalids. >Productive towards ... what exactly? Making your Jewish boss even more rich? You are still thinking in Talmudic terms. I believe some ethnicities/cultures can be better co-opted than others. I wouldn't mind having Japanese in my ethnostate to study abroad or work, but Muslims from unstable 3rd world countries are another matter. the Talmud is the cause of much mischief today. as much as I try to reject it, it's difficult not to be affected by pervasive influences. >If you need slaves, you are a degenerate. No exceptions. slavery is degenerate, indeed. it not only degrades the people being exploited, but also the slave-masters, who are encouraged by the system to become abusive and decadent. I believe slavery in classical antiquity helped create a high-level equilibrium trap, which led to the fall of Rome. >For what purpose? You want them because they are different, then take away the very thing which makes them different. Do you realize just how retarded civic nationalism is? You criticize cultural Marxism, then proceed to make an argument that culture can be changed like a pair of socks. fair points, and I don't think culture can be changed that easily. there are different degrees of assimilation -- at the highest degree, people are thoroughly accultured and integrated, a process which typically takes multiple generations (due to the difficulty of this). but I think there are lesser degrees in which a group adapts to certain laws and norms, functions within a society, while still retaining distinct differences. maybe 'amalgamation' is a better word for this. >That's hardly logical. That objective truth not excluding subjectivity however. correct. >When you deconstruct your body, you end up with atoms. The sum of which hardly makes a man. This is just a process of disintegration wrapped up as analysis. also correct. the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. >Which is why any notion of "universal law/good" should be approached with extreme caution. we should be careful about any claims of universal truth, especially when there are many false prophets, hucksters and demagogues. however, we should still seek out truth amidst lies, and we can still form beliefs while retaining a healthy dose of skepticism.
>>4041 I'm a Perennialist, excluding the Jews a la Mircea Eliade
>>4044 >but basic assumptions about the world and our place within it Marxists find the same to be the case, and that people would become emancipated by adopting theirs, regardless of background. >because of the cultural incompatibility between them and the Han Ideological, but one may say racial as well >Myanmar's dealings with the Rohingya Muslims Race war which is presented as a cultural one because of optics. Just like most Europeans who are against Islam, are actually against brown subhumans carrying that disease, but can't say it openly. You can deprogram someone from Islam, but you can't deprogram him from shitskin genes. I would equally abhor those rats even if they (((integrated))) in my society. In fact, even more so, for those animals profaning my language, national identity and customs with their existence. >it's all part of the plan So is trying to force some kind of artificial cultural/religious/ideological identity that would replace a racial/natural one >is preventing clashes between incompatible peoples For what purpose? Such clashes are how civilizations and nations define and differentiate themselves. This Jewish abomination called neoliberalism, and it's conception of the "end of history" is what threatens to end it, not in the sense of final resolution, but civilization ceasing to exist (in any meaningful form at least). Or as Stalin said, death solves all problems. The less tension between fundamentally different groups there was, the more boring, mundane and degenerate the world became (which coincided with the reinforcing of Jewish grip over the world). Conflict is necessary for differentiation, and differentiation is necessary for individuality and quality. Can't forge a sword without fire. This idiocy about "peaceful resolution" is only turning everyone into one giant, formless blob with no will of it's own, just as kikes have planned. >ideally, the higher cultures will radiate their qualities to the lower, so that they learn and improve on their own Agreed. But that only applies to genetically compatible people. The rest can be culled to make space for higher races. >as for living conditions, there's already an effort to normalize living in pods and eating insects. I don't think most people realize just how utterly depraved the kikes are, an even worse fate awaits those who accept such lifestyles. There are things worse than death. But many of those sentenced to such existence actually deserve it, as it was ultimately their choice, even if based on ignorance. >I honestly believe the globalist elites were not counting on Trump and Brexit You are still afraid to name the Jew it seems. They are the only international element that can be considered as such. But that extends to controlled opposition like Trump, most of whose family is Jewish, including himself. Not to mention that they have practically created him. Do you think you can make it big in the real estate industry without their support? Especially in a city like that? Or become a president of the US? You have yet to name some examples of those affecting the constants which I mentioned. In fact, they (Trump and Brexit) are only making it harder for white people (who prefer to do things legally) to emigrate, while making it even easier for the rest. How naive do you need to be to believe that any elite would allow itself to be replaced by a popular vote? Any genuine opposition would be entirely silenced and eliminated before it becomes a threat. That's being realistic, not pessimistic. >I wouldn't mind having Japanese in my ethnostate Neither would I, but those are hardly the ones I'm referring to when I say nonwhites. >which led to the fall of Rome Not only Rome, but every other empire in history. Egypt, European empires, USA, etc. Kike subversion by using slaves works in two phases though. Initially, they are sold as a tempting alternative to self-sufficiency to both the ruling elites and native population. Once those societies become decadent enough, they switch to a second stage, which is slave "liberation" and (((integration))) into society, as it was the case with Christianity or Enlightenment movement for example. Eventually, the slaves take over, be they the lowest gutter of native society (Christians, Bolsheviks) or alien, subhuman blood (niggers, shitskins etc.). But who really takes over is (((them))), now being able to rule over this trash unchallenged, and subject them to even worse slavery, in which all become equal. >maybe 'amalgamation' is a better word for this Yes, and to a limited extent, this can be a good development. However, this leads such people into identifying with artificial values, which is a negative trend overall. >however, we should still seek out truth amidst lies, and we can still form beliefs while retaining a healthy dose of skepticism Agreed. I'm just inclined to assume people who make any claims at "universal law" to have ulterior motives.
>>4072 >For what purpose? Such clashes are how civilizations and nations define and differentiate themselves. ... Conflict is necessary for differentiation, and differentiation is necessary for individuality and quality. Can't forge a sword without fire. This idiocy about "peaceful resolution" is only turning everyone into one giant, formless blob with no will of it's own, just as kikes have planned. yes, but conflict should be between different cultures/races/states. mixing incompatible peoples creates the sort of conflict that undermines the body politic, instead of tempering it. >I don't think most people realize just how utterly depraved the kikes are, an even worse fate awaits those who accept such lifestyles. There are things worse than death. But many of those sentenced to such existence actually deserve it, as it was ultimately their choice, even if based on ignorance. soyboys/cucks are another step towards the Last Man, and it's a long way down. >Do you think you can make it big in the real estate industry without their support? Especially in a city like that? Or become a president of the US? I believe Trump has worked with Jews to further his own interests, and also to deflect accusations of anti-semitism. I believe this also explains his Israel policy. >How naive do you need to be to believe that any elite would allow itself to be replaced by a popular vote? Any genuine opposition would be entirely silenced and eliminated before it becomes a threat. That's being realistic, not pessimistic. elites are capable of making mistakes and being taken off guard. they've been trying relentlessly to roll back the 2016 election, using mass media propaganda, NPC pawns, obstruction & delays, legal challenges, the Russian collusion conspiracy theory, and of course the farcical impeachment attempt. it's a similar story with Brexit. it seems to me that they were overconfident, ended up losing ground, and now they're over-reacting because they're used to being in complete control, and are unaccustomed to facing a challenge. >subject them to even worse slavery, in which all become equal. that's where 'equality' inevitably ends up, the lowest common denominator. naturally, the 'custodians' of this system become the new ruling class, justifying their tyranny by claiming its for the good of all. this was characteristic of communist regimes, and the globalist empire would be no different, should it come to fruition. >Agreed. I'm just inclined to assume people who make any claims at "universal law" to have ulterior motives. that's a prudent response.
>western civilization is not worth defending Only blood.
>>4314 I’ve started to think that western civilization is a bluepilled term after hearing so many civnats and even a few mainstream ZOG “conservatives” repeating it. What we have today in white western countries is completely and utterly worthless and is more or less synonymous with globohomo and its program of equality, liberal democracy, capitalism, capitalism and the like. For example we see soyboys call upon the “greatness of western civilization” to condemn hajjis keeping their women in line or throwing sodomites off the rooftops. Everything outside of European antiquity should be thrown in the trash – that’s a bit hyperbolic of course but it’s not far from the truth. We’ve strayed so far from what was natural produced by the Aryan spirit into adharmic, semitic aberrations.
All proper facists should bully nerds and be technophobic. I'm completely serious. Tech fetishists are just nerds who hate the world or coomers who want to become women or lolbertarian to commie degenerates.
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>>4347 >nerds
>>3481 https://twitter.com/CBonduk/status/1181802356989497350 >Ad hominem (yes, character is important), slippery slope (yes, certain claims do lead into further claims), genealogical fallacy (yes, the origin of a claim is significant) and so on. All bullshit. >>3497 >adharmic Nerds weren't around in pre-modern society. Nerds are just men who act like repugnant women (bitchiness, coonsooming). Women hate them since women don't want another woman unless they're twisted or ruined.
'Slavery' itself is not bad, the retarded claim that ((("all men are equal"))) is the problem
>>4385 >'Slavery' itself is not bad This depends on the sense of slavery we are referring to. Enslaving another race is bad because, in addition to the usual costs of slavery, it replaces the native workforce with a foreign one, it causes previously unknown tensions, and it can cause problems further along in history. As for slavery of one's own countrymen, I find that equally abhorrent, as all should be free from unjust, unpaid work. The only justified usage of this slavery is for criminals. >the retarded claim that ((("all men are equal"))) is the problem If I remember correctly, the rationale behind this quote was more or less, "All (white) men are created equal". Whether that's true or not, I will of course argue that in a legal sense, all men of a nation should be regarded as equal. It is only obvious that in ability, they will be different.
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>>4386 I think the problems that often arise with enslaving foreign races or ethnic groups is successfully dodged with stringent racial consciousness and barriers against their interaction with natives. How Germany dealt with the huge number of Poles it employed during the war is a good example of how to run a system of what was essentially slave labor. At all times they had to wear badges marked with a "P" to identify them and confined to their workplaces, they were banned from all public conveyances and social contacts with Germans, they were unable to visit German cinemas, dances, bars, theaters or churches. Sexual intercourse with Germans apparently warranted the death penalty. Himmler didn't play around. Well over a million Poles worked in Germany during the war under such a system. (my source is The Wages of Destruction). This was of course during a war though, there is obviously the question of whether such extra labor would typically be needed, since they were facing huge labor shortages at the time. Only in apartheid-type conditions such as these can a racially-alien population be put to use, otherwise it is very likely to fall victim to the concerns that you raised. Maximal territorial separation is always the best for racial harmony, even if the non-white territories are under the control of whites. Taking the Aristotle-pill here is the best way forward. Trade and most kinds of manual labor is degenerate and dehumanizing for the free man. This type of work should be left to those of naturally slavish disposition (of any race) or foreigners. We see many today of naturally slavish disposition even without a formal institution of slavery, these being wagecucks. In a traditional society the natural slave is a living tool or instrument without which there would be no leisure for the activities that really make life worth while. Who are these natural slaves - think of the average bread and circuses lemming whose entire worldview is fed to him through propaganda instruments and entertainment, who never thinks of anything higher than base material things, sex, food and money and thinks that his current lot is the only lot. Nature is hierarchically organized so that the lower elements within it exist for the sake of the higher. Some men are born to enable the better kind to live a life of leisure. Leisure should be taken as "hedonism", quite the opposite, again, this is the delight of the slave. The life of the higher classes in a traditional society is marked by self-discipline, intellectual pursuits, tranquility, and the struggle to perfect the self, among many other things. >If I remember correctly, the rationale behind this quote was more or less, "All (white) men are created equal". Whether that's true or not, I will of course argue that in a legal sense, all men of a nation should be regarded as equal. It is only obvious that in ability, they will be different. Even that though was restricted to property-owning white men above a certain for a very long time if I recall right. I have problems with democracy but that is far more acceptable than the system that we have today. It should in a perfect society be graduated into several levels / classes or castes on an aristocratic (in the original sense referring to excellence and virtue) and on a racial basis (they are really the same but it's important to point out. Within the groups the people are legally speaking equal, of course. I'd talk about implementation but since I'm very much a Luddite I can't provide much concrete stuff. If I suddenly became leader with no restrictions though prisoners would be employed to their fullest extent for labor and I'd probably set the above system as the ideal, though setting something up in a modern society is unfortunately very much easier said than done. (((Capitalism))) seems to favor only shekel oligarchies and hierarchies of function.
>>4347 Grug sees technology put to bad use. Grug smashes technology altogether, that most safe. Wheel technology too, Grug smashes wheel. >>4352 >Nerds weren't around in pre-modern society. Nerds are just men who act like repugnant women (bitchiness, coonsooming). You have taken a Jew-narrated, popular culture trope of a "nerd" . Of course those didn't exist in a natural society, but you had thinkers/philosophers, inventors, healers, priests, scholars etc. And those were usually the ruling class/caste. There used to be a lot of masculine nerds too, they were just less physically and more intellectually geared. In fact, masculine nerds were the greatest obstacle to Jew takeover. >>4385 Read a couple of threads here, slavery is pure decadence that always leads to racemixing and destruction. It's completely redundant, unless you want to live like a kike. You always had plenty of dumb people who just did what they are told in exchange of things they couldn't provide themselves, even being happy with their simple lives. It's their place in the natural order. That's not slavery, just trade and organization.
>>4390 >You always had plenty of dumb people who just did what they are told in exchange of things they couldn't provide themselves, even being happy with their simple lives. It's their place in the natural order. That's not slavery, just trade and organization. This is mostly true, except that wagecucks are undeniably slaves, especially since so many of them are completely dependent on serving one Jew or another for most of the waking hours of his day. The system has evolved so that the masters no longer have to provide housing or food to their slaves, giving it also an illusion of freedom. This is of course part of the natural order in one way or another, but definitely a mode of living that everyone should strive to flee. Being a wagecuck today is more dehumanizing and longer-lasting than the work of real slaves (i.e. property of some master) or medieval peasants.
>>4347 there were scribes and intellectuals in antiquity. the nerd has a place in the dharmic order, as long as he's not an ἰδιώτης. >>4387 >I think the problems that often arise with enslaving foreign races or ethnic groups is successfully dodged with stringent racial consciousness and barriers against their interaction with natives. >Only in apartheid-type conditions such as these can a racially-alien population be put to use, otherwise it is very likely to fall victim to the concerns that you raised. Maximal territorial separation is always the best for racial harmony, even if the non-white territories are under the control of whites. this assumes that apartheid can be maintained. in reality, it's like a dam, in which pressures slowly build against it until it ruptures, e.g. Southern US, South Africa, etc. (not sure if Rhodesia fits here). even with enforced separation/subjugation, you inevitably get interbreeding, as happened during US slavery. once liberated, the presence of a distinct, formerly subjugated people within your borders inevitably leads to resentment and conflict, as we see in the US today.
>>4417 >this assumes that apartheid can be maintained. in reality, it's like a dam, in which pressures slowly build against it until it ruptures, e.g. Southern US, South Africa, etc. (not sure if Rhodesia fits here). South Africa was partially destroyed by ZOG sanctions and pressure. All of the greedy capitalists were getting sick of the disinvestment / sanction policies taken by various countries, pressuring the government eventually towards engaging in negotiations with the blacks, leading to the white genocide that is ongoing today and SA's plummeting into a third world country replete with crimes and murder. Not to mention the communist insurgency within. One can't forget (((Joe Slovo))) and other Tribesman involved within South Africa to destroy Apartheid. Even without Jews there would of course be some resentment and tensions from the blacks, but like I mention below, SA was trying to actively solve this through a policy of separate development where SA would "decolonize" the black homelands and provide them with much autonomy and local rule, albeit in a close relationship with SA, a type of "macro-segregation". Rhodesia too was subjected to ZOG economic terrorism and communist insurgencies, though I don't know the details as well. The same Jewish ideology pops up again and again in the decolonization and civil wars in Africa. The Southern US was obviously destroyed because it attempted to resist federal tyranny and because it was underdeveloped and large amounts of labor were held in slavery. (((Northern Capitalists))) saw much room for development and in destroying slavery could get more wage-slaves (they're more economically profitable than slaves). >even with enforced separation/subjugation, you inevitably get interbreeding, as happened during US slavery. once liberated, the presence of a distinct, formerly subjugated people within your borders inevitably leads to resentment and conflict, as we see in the US today. With the US the greatest mistake was not completely removing each and every single African from American soil while it was still somewhat feasible. Today it is much less so due to the fact that there are millions upon millions more - some 46+ million if I recall correctly. It's not even as if were a position held only by whites. Numerous educated blacks supported such positions in the decades after emancipation, even mutts like the guy in the pic. While tensions were certainly inevitable in having multiple racial groups within the same society, it's also important to remember the (((influences))) behind civil rights. America should have either gotten rid of them when they could have or tried to pursue the South African route of allocating each group territorial and segregating racial groups in discrete territorial units - i.e. a reservation system.
>>4396 True, even medieval serfs had much more free/leisure time than a modern, "free" man. >>4425 Why give kikes any ammo to use against you in the first place? If there are no niggers in the first place, then there is no "liberation" either. If people are not ruthlessly exploited, any sort of communist insurgency/revolution becomes much more difficult. Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same shekel, which kikes keep flipping until they get absolute control of a society. Those states which cannot be subverted from inside (whose rulers are wise enough), get attacked by golems. Their subversion is always very tempting for the rulers in the beginning, but disastrous long term.
>>4430 >Why give kikes any ammo to use against you in the first place? The kikes will use anything they can get their hands on as ammo. Anything can be a potential point of subversion for them. Even if there were no niggers to rabble rouse among, they'd move to working among the poor, or driving a greater wedge between men and women, or young and old. The dharmapill (using the new term that /liberty/ and /monarchy/ have been mocking us with), is of course to harmonize these various elements of a society into an organic whole. >If people are not ruthlessly exploited, any sort of communist insurgency/revolution becomes much more difficult. Definitely true. Today though you can accomplish the same things through propaganda, entertainment and efficiency that you could through open exploitation and terror in the past, just look at how well the Jews manage their goyim today - not that I want to head that route. Much of history after the Industrial Revolution was a mistake.
>>4425 those are good points. I suppose other outcomes were possible, macro-segregation in particular seems like a viable strategy. however, once you're in the situation of having to segregate, there are dangers -- tensions can flare up if you don't handle the situation correctly, and various vested interests and fifth columnists will use this as an opportunity to interfere and undermine, as we saw in history. I'd just like to reiterate, no matter how strong your racial barriers, sex is stronger. coomers will deposit their seed in any woman, regardless of consequences; and if you tell the Eternal Thot that a certain kind of penis is off-limits, she'll intentionally seek it out. it's much safer to keep different peoples on different territories. >>4430 >True, even medieval serfs had much more free/leisure time than a modern, "free" man. at least slaves/serfs had room & board provided by their master or manor lord. today, people go into debt bondage and servitude while having to fend for themselves. >>4434 >The dharmapill (using the new term that /liberty/ and /monarchy/ have been mocking us with), is of course to harmonize these various elements of a society into an organic whole. contrary to modern propaganda, we're not all equal. I think we should all have certain basic rights, but otherwise, a healthy society should be hierarchical and specialized. we see this time and again -- Plato's Republic (with its philosopher-king, guardians, and the rest), the Hindu castes, the Tokugawa social classes (lord, samurai, peasant, artisan, merchant, non-person), the Confucian order (which the Japanese borrowed from the Chinese), the Greek and Roman governments, etc. male and female, ruler and ruled, priest and warrior... we have different ideals and roles to fulfill. the just society sorts people into their proper roles, maintaining proportion and harmony. it's when this breaks down -- when the hierarchy is inverted, castes are blurred together, and the functions are not carried out -- that you get social ills, neurosis and dysfunction, as we're seeing today.
>>4437 Well said in the parts on hierarchy and the need for societal harmony. I think that it’s no surprise that the same societal organizations popped up again and again throughout the ancient world, and how these societies were free of all of the issues that we have today. So many of our problems today result from the disruption of this harmony and the recognition that individuals each have their own svadharma to fulfill much like you’ve pointed out in saying that in a traditional society in tune with the natural order there is male and female, ruler and ruled, etc. It reminds me of the idea highlighted in “The Lightning and the Sun” by Akhnaton: <a God as “the Heat-and-Light-within-the-Disk” can issue no “commandments” like an exalted tribal deity made in the image of its worshippers. His laws are none but the unbending Laws of Nature, expression of the inner harmony of His own being at every stage and in every detail of His manifestation in Time. There is, indeed, and there can be no other rule of conduct for His worshippers but to “live in Truth,” i.e., in tune with the eternal Order of the Universe, accomplishing the diverse tasks which are theirs while remaining inwardly at peace with themselves and with every created being. And that ideal of life — which may well seem vague to those who do not grasp its implications — is precisely the one put forward by King Akhnaton <“Thou hast put every man in his place. Thou framest their lives. Thou givest everyone his belongings, reckoning his length of days. Thou hast made them different in form, in the colour of their skins and in speech. As a Divider, Thou dividest the foreign people (from one another.)” <There is merely the idea of harmony between the different races, everyone of which has its place and purpose, its part to play in the universal concert, and should remain different in order to play it perfectly. There is a stress upon differences and division, which logically suggests that men have neither all the same rights nor all the same duties. And this is perhaps the ultimate reason why the ideal of “life in Truth” — life according to one’s place and purpose in the natural hierarchy of beings, — cannot be made explicit in any universal list of concrete “do”s and “don’t”s, such as modern Christian critics of the Religion of the Disk would have liked to have found. All one can say is that to “sin” is to lie; to deny the eternal Order of things which are, independently of man, by refusing to live according to it; to say “no” to the Will of the Sun. Lengthy, but perfectly said. Savitri Devi mentions of course that racial struggle becomes more and more unavoidable as the Dark Age continues though of course, but I can find nothing to disagree with here. The only hierarchy left today that is acknowledged is the rule of the wealthy over the non-wealthy, with all other hierarchies and duties seen as oppressive and irrelevant – now we have the (((freedom))) to consoom, dress how we ever we want and fuck whoever we want regardless of how fruitless and hedonistic it is or how abominable the offspring – and just look at the results. There was a good quote in Table Talk where Hitler acknowledged the tendency of the Jews to set beastiality over intelligence, quantity over quality, ugliness over beauty and chaos over harmony. He really understood these things A sidenote on the wagecuck question – it’s interesting how Cicero condemned it in his work on duties as no better than slavery and denounced it in the same breath along with usury and wholesale merchantry as unbecoming to a gentlemen. Aristotle likewise saw usury as unnatural and perversion of the purpose of money, saying that wagecucks were little better than slaves. Of course, the ancient wagecuck was not the wagecuck of today and like others have said, wagecucks today are even more enslaved than any of these ancient ones. Really makes me think how the evils warned against in the past have become omnipresent..hhmm
>>4440 exactly, different individuals have different roles to fulfill. to invert our roles and blend us together leads to dysfunction and neurosis. likewise, it is better for us to live in different cultures and nations than to be blended together in a globalist regime, which leads to comparable dysfunction on a larger scale. cultural marxists believe it's 'liberating' to break down cultural norms, traditions, gender roles, etc. without pausing to consider that perhaps these rules were made with good reason. we're much more content when we live in accordance with our svadharma, rather than against it. for example, soy cucks act happy and excited to a comical extent, but in truth they're miserable, and no amount of slavish conformity or he/him pronouns will get them laid. likewise, dangerhairs claim to be stronk and liberated, when in fact they're thoroughly neurotic. this is because men are not supposed to be soft and servile, and women are not supposed to be dominant; this goes against the natural order. likewise, there should be ruler and ruled. there are people who want to be NPCs, to follow the current trends, agree with the consensus, and live a comfortable life of obedience. to ask them to rise above this and think for themselves is placing a difficult burden on them. in a dharmic society, these sheep should be guided towards the right path, and put to use as far as their limited potential permits. they should be the responsibility of natural leaders, who want to take on challenges, make difficult decisions, and rise above the rest. for a natural leader to follow the normalfag herd is stultifying and oppressive, just as the leadership role is overwhelming to NPCs. in addition to inversion, there's also corruption. in kali yuga, the sheep are manipulated and fleeced by cunning agents who pose as leaders, and any natural leader who attempts to revive dharma will be vilified and attacked. I also mentioned priests and warriors, both venerable roles in a dharmic society, and both quite different. the warrior defends the people temporally, while the priest defends them spiritually. if inverted, the priest is not well suited to necessary violence, while the warrior is ill-suited to intensive study and a lack of direct action. if corrupted, the warrior oppresses the people instead of defending them; the corrupted priest lies, manipulates and propagandizes, keeping people from the truth instead of guiding them towards it. today, I see many people in the media who are in the role of 'corrupted priest', programming the NPCs with absurd ideas to further their agenda. thus in our times, we have both inversion and corruption of the natural order, which goes a long way in explaining the ills surrounding us. a couple other points: I mentioned a number of historical precedents for a dharmic order that emerged among various cultures, and I just thought of another -- medieval europe, with its class distinctions between peasants, knights, clergy, and nobility. they had prescribed roles for warriors, priests, nobles and workers, comparable to the Hindu caste system. each class had distinct roles to play and different responsibilities, and ultimately their society was successful. medieval europe didn't end in collapse, it evolved into the early modern West. secondly, referring to my earlier distinction between ruler and ruled, I think that's what Aristotle meant by 'natural slaves'; he was referring to those people who are predisposed to follow the herd and be governed by their superiors. this should not be confused with chattel slavery, which leads to decadence and abuse.
>>2578 creative defeatism kike
>>4494 I'm not defeated and I'm not a kike. Nothing I said is defeatism, but you, being a pea-brained, Hitler coomer; grasping at straws and dishonest reductionism is all that's available in your limited intellectual capacity.
>>4492 >I see many people in the media who are in the role of 'corrupted priest', programming the NPCs with absurd ideas to further their agenda. I have never thought of them as "corrupted priests", but thinking about it a little I think this a good comparison. Many of the values of NPCs today come directly from media, entertainment and the like -- values which in the past would have come from the bearers of tradition in society, the priests. This is one of the best arguments for the state-control of media (or at the very least oversight). While today the Jewish / finance-control media claims to courageous truth-bearers bringing to light the important issues, we of course no that this is the exact opposite of their goals. The media could be a force of good for the education of the people in a true sense, not their subversion. Sadly, in the Kali Yuga, there is much skepticism of the state, not to say that much of it is not entirely warranted looking at the absolute state of states in our modern world, though. The solution is of course to construct the right kind of state, much like the Third Reich, on solid, eternal biological principles to social and political life, imbuing life again with higher spiritual values and ideals. Not a state "in Time", but a state "against Time". >secondly, referring to my earlier distinction between ruler and ruled, I think that's what Aristotle meant by 'natural slaves'; he was referring to those people who are predisposed to follow the herd and be governed by their superiors This is how I interpreted it as well, despite him referring to natural slaves as being wholly in the possession of their masters as property. As you'd probably agree, I don't think is necessary. All that is necessary is the ruler / ruled dichotomy. Regardless of whether chattel slavery exists this type of relationship between people will always exist. I'm surprised that I have not seen any analyses of Aristotle's idea of slavery from this type of view. The footnotes in my copy of Politics seem really determined to show how his analysis is "fatally flawed" for reasons like nature having to provide an abundant supply of easily identifiable people fit for slavish work whose minds lacked reasoning powers and him admitting that there exist slaves that are slaves by convention (nomos) rather than nature (physis), but I don't think that's very persuasive, especially today when we can develop methods for judging peoples capacities and placing them in the best places in accordance with their nature. >ultimately their society was successful. medieval europe didn't end in collapse, it evolved into the early modern West. I think this evolution into the early modern West was definitely a precursor to the final collapse. Many jerk off over myths like "progress" and new gadgets and look down on any sort of society that is more stable and immutable over long stretches of time, but I'm not sure if constant change and upheaval is a positive thing. The technophilic mindset is a psychosis, this is not to say that many of the things that have been created aren't works of genius. I don't any other race could have created such things, but we are also the only race who can see the dangers of the over-application. I don't have much to comment on in the rest of your post, and that is not because I am ignoring it, but because we are 100% in agreement and I have nothing to add, especially in regards to your observations on the consequences of the blending of roles, Cultural Marxists and the importance of following our svadharma.
>>4440 I found Akhnaton to be utterly reprehensible while reading that part, not only did he forsake his duties as a ruler due to his pointless religion, but he also betrayed those most loyal to him. The consequences of his (in)action have shown the truth of his model of governing and beliefs in the end. Being reminded of the fact that I followed the same idiotic principles for a portion of my life made me even more irritated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TpT6miDJ8 >>4492 >cultural marxists believe it's 'liberating' to break down cultural norms, traditions, gender roles, etc. It's liberating in the same sense as death is. They are disintegrating everything that makes a man so all that remains is a dead, hollow husk or a tortured, abominable freak. It's like thinking that your arms are oppressing you because you have to drag them with your body so you cut them off in order to liberate yourself from their weight. >in the role of 'corrupted priest', programming the NPCs with absurd ideas to further their agenda. There is nothing priestly about them, they are the exact opposite. They have observed certain practical side-effects of religions and utilize them to their ends. >>4496 >Many jerk off over myths like "progress" Cancer can be progressive too. NPC's always use buzzwords without any real meaning, or derived from some Jewish, pseudo-intellectual pilpul like Marxism.
>>4495 >Hitler coomer lmao is this a new talking point
>>4502 Personally I found nothing wrong with the excerpt about Akhnaton and the part from one of his hymns. The point of covering Akhnaton at all in The Lightning and the Sun was to illustrate an example of a man above Time, someone profoundly out of touch with the reality around him. The fact that he was unwilling to save those loyal to him and neglected his duties as a ruler only go to underline this. It was as if he was living in another age in the middle of the Kali Yuga. Other men above Time were people like Jesus, or the Buddha, both of whom offered paths out of this world, which is why they ignore things like race, the natural order and the like. He is not a man to be emulated, just like how Genghis Khan is discussed in that book only as a completely selfish and brutal force which actually accelerated the descent of Time in this age. Out of that passage I quoted though I very much like the idea of "living in Truth", it is similar in my mind to some of the discussion I've had with others ITT about living in tune with one's nature. >>4504 He knew he'd be called out as a shill as soon as he said "Hitlerite", I guess they're having to obfuscate more..
>>4506 Bitch please, I'm not shilling for anybody but myself. I don't have to obfuscate a damn thing from some uptight, faggot ass, Hitler cooming, Hitlerite like yourself. How's that for hiding? You guys think you need to be shilled against? Hah, nothing but a bunch of pseudo-intellectual, limp-wristed, larping ass faggots. SPITS
>>4507 It's been essentially proven at this point that every anti-Hitler poster who uses this board is a giant faggot or shill. You seem to be falling nicely into the mold.
>>4508 I tried to discuss things with you guys on non-antagonistic grounds, but those have been steadily rebuked. This rhetoric you've compelled me to use falls squarely on your shoulders and is wholly your doing. Hitler was a faggot, you are a faggot and you fucking cowards prove it everytime you ignore, jest or run from my posts. There are a couple exceptions but most of you are spineless, brainless trash who should've been aborted.
>>4509 Stay mad faggot
>>4506 I wasn't referring to the excerpt, but the character itself. >Other men above Time were people like Jesus, or the Buddha, both of whom offered paths out of this world There is a very easy way to find that path, in fact it happens automatically after a while. What they tried to teach (although I'm skeptical in the case of Jesus since he was a kike) is that the world doesn't have to be this way, and that one might understand how the reality works on a whole. Trying to go out while still alive is a degeneracy. >>4509 >everytime you ignore, jest or run from my posts Such as?
>>4502 >It's liberating in the same sense as death is. They are disintegrating everything that makes a man so all that remains is a dead, hollow husk or a tortured, abominable freak. correct. a man cannot fulfill a female svadharma, just as a woman cannot fill ours, and attempts to do so are futile. it's no wonder that the tranny suicide rate is many times the average. >It's like thinking that your arms are oppressing you because you have to drag them with your body so you cut them off in order to liberate yourself from their weight. it's also like thinking your foreskin is bad for you when it's a perfectly natural appendage, so you have it amputated. however, this is a tangent. >There is nothing priestly about them, they are the exact opposite. They have observed certain practical side-effects of religions and utilize them to their ends. yes, they're the opposite, you could also call them anti-priests. while they lack priestly qualities, they fill a similar cultural role. like the priest, they use their knowledge, eloquence, and ritual training (eg how to act on tv), but unlike the priest, they use these abilities to deceive the people rather than lead them to truth. >>4496 >media I realized this when I compared the proper roles in society to their inverted, corrupted forms under kali yuga. in a dharmic society, there would still be NPCs, but they'd be led towards the right path as much as possible, rather than manipulated and led astray. as for gov't oversight of media, both private and public sectors can be compromised by vested interests. instead of a free press, we have a propaganda ministry. in order to have a press that fulfills its proper function, we need society as a whole to function properly. >Aristotle keep in mind, bondage in ancient Greece varied quite a bit. there were tutors, galley slaves, helots (who were essentially serfs controlled by the Spartans), who worked under different conditions. slaves were often considered part of a household, and thus had some basic legal protections. also, bondage could be imposed as a legal punishment, and I assume that's what Aristotle meant by νόμος as opposed to φύσις. >early modern West the West achieved great things during that era, such as colonization and classical music. however, it seems that the Protestant Reformation was very de-stabilizing. keep in mind, there's a major distinction between the early modern period, and the techno-industrial modern world that arose from three revolutions fomented by the West: the atlantic/political revolution, the scientific revolution, and the industrial revolution. these were all great achievements in their own way, but ultimately set us on a wild, unstable course, far more turbulent than the early modern world, which was already a departure from medieval stability. industry and science can be positive things if developed properly, but they've veered off course. science in particular is a casualty of kali yuga, being employed to buttress ideological dogma and advance coomer/consoomer culture, rather than investigate truth and reality in a rational manner. >I don't have much to comment on in the rest of your post, and that is not because I am ignoring it, but because we are 100% in agreement and I have nothing to add, especially in regards to your observations on the consequences of the blending of roles, Cultural Marxists and the importance of following our svadharma. I've always implicitly understood these things, and never quite believed in the doctrines of equality that I was taught. it's only recently that I can articulate these ideas and place them in a proper framework.
>>4514 >Such as? I’m thinking the guy you are responding to is the faggot in the Islam thread who has been crying about no one responding to his boring posts
>>4514 >What they tried to teach (although I'm skeptical in the case of Jesus since he was a kike) is that the world doesn't have to be this way, and that one might understand how the reality works on a whole. Exactly. I'm very skeptical of Jesus as well, but I have been meaning to explore at some point whether Jews such as (((Saul of Tarsus))) were the corrupters of his teachings, or if they merely misunderstood the deeper meanings to what he taught as a man above Time. In particular I am interested in whether Jesus was a mischling, given that the Jews say in the Talmud that Jesus was a bastard child of Mary and a Roman soldier named Pantera. Celsus apparently held this account to be true as well. I read a book recently that said Jesus was not a Christian, but in fact a esoteric guru-like figure. I'll see if that has any fruit to it in time though. >>4515 >also, bondage could be imposed as a legal punishment, and I assume that's what Aristotle meant by νόμος as opposed to φύσις. Yeah I think prisoners of war were also included under slaves by convention as opposed to by nature. And slavery in ancient Greece definitely was fairly diverse like you pointed out. I'm admittedly still working through Aristotle's Politics as I write these things and so the parts I've read so far are mostly on household slaves, but I know that some city states had state-owned slaves and many other types. > science in particular is a casualty of kali yuga, being employed to buttress ideological dogma and advance coomer/consoomer culture, rather than investigate truth and reality in a rational manner. I think the way that the newest discoveries and research are being applied is definitely a sign of the Kali Yuga as well. Like you said it's being used to advance degenerate and materialistic ways of life and is one of the prime forces in disrupting more healthy and natural modes of living as we've mentioned early in this thread, though it's important not to downplay the role of a certain (((race))) in accelerating many of the resulting problems. >I've always implicitly understood these things, and never quite believed in the doctrines of equality that I was taught. it's only recently that I can articulate these ideas and place them in a proper framework. It's been largely the same for me, though I blindly followed what I was taught by public edjewcation for a while on prejudice and racism, but over time my experiences non-whites eroded any and all belief I had in such ideas, laying the foundation for my later redpilling. So I slowly came around to such ideas and recently, much like you, began to learn of the ways that men in the past used to view things such as hierarchy and inequality, along with the specific terms that they used (like dharma – I've been perhaps a little too overzealous with spreading that one, just look at what it says on the top of every page now "/liberty/ - The most dharmapilled board on Jewlay.World" kek – still I think the concept is extremely important to our circles even if referred to differently, and the etymology of the term and its various senses only reinforce this with me.) National Socialism harmonizes perfectly with dharma – a concept that is not Indian, not Hindu, not Buddhist, not Jain, etc, but eminently traditional and self-evidently universal (not in the pozzed sense) in scope.
>>4519 >the Jews say in the Talmud that Jesus was a bastard child of Mary and a Roman soldier named Pantera. like many other things in the Talmud, this is a lie. if Jesus were the son of a Roman soldier, this would've conferred citizenship on him, which in turn would've exempted him from crucifixion, as only slaves and subjects could be crucified under Roman law. >Yeah I think prisoners of war were also included under slaves by convention as opposed to by nature. And slavery in ancient Greece definitely was fairly diverse like you pointed out. I'm admittedly still working through Aristotle's Politics as I write these things and so the parts I've read so far are mostly on household slaves, but I know that some city states had state-owned slaves and many other types. the history of slavery is generally not widely known, and that's especially true of ancient Greece. there have been many forms of bondage, under varying conditions and degrees of severity. while the slaves working on triremes or in mines faced harsh conditions, many other slaves were better off. there's a general perception of 'slavery' referring to the most severe forms of chattel slavery, when there's much more to the story. >I think the way that the newest discoveries and research are being applied is definitely a sign of the Kali Yuga as well. Like you said it's being used to advance degenerate and materialistic ways of life and is one of the prime forces in disrupting more healthy and natural modes of living as we've mentioned early in this thread, though it's important not to downplay the role of a certain (((race))) in accelerating many of the resulting problems. for sure. I wanted to draw a distinction between original Western science and its current institutional form. at first, it was a disciplined, rational approach to understanding reality, which made major inroads in numerous fields of study. but now, it's compromised by both dogmatic ideology and hedonism. to give examples, scientific institutions are used to prop up the global warming hoax, with the claim that 'scientists say this, therefore it's true', a dogmatic attitude which fundamentally contradicts the scientific method. of course, only research that shills for the narrative gets funded and published, and anyone who goes against the consensus is risking their career. as for hedonism, it's absurd that people should get advanced training and education in medical school solely to create fake breasts and alter appearances with plastic surgery; this is pouring resources into pure vanity. we see dogma and hedonism combined in transgender surgery, warping the bodies of the mentally ill in order to enable and encourage their delusions. all this is consistent with kali yuga. dharma is a profound concept, and bantz from other boards won't change that. it may be a sanskrit word, but the idea was upheld by many historical societies, ranging from Europe to Japan, as I mentioned earlier. my first redpill was reading Thomas Sowell's Black Rednecks and White Liberals, particularly the chapter The Real History of Slavery, where he describes how slavery and the slave trade were widespread throughout history. I had only learned about American slavery and the Triangle Trade in school. all the rest, the Crimean Khanate capturing and selling slaves to the Ottomans, the Barbary corsairs enslaving Europeans, the Arab slave trade of Africans, Greco-Roman, Chinese, Maori slavery, etc. all this I had to read for myself. while I had learned about abolitionism, I had to discover for myself the British campaign to end the slave trade. if they didn't tell me all this, what else was I not being told? that led me to questioning the propaganda. and likewise, my experience taught me that there are differences between people and cultures, and ideas like 'equality' and 'diversity' did not describe reality.
>>4523 >like many other things in the Talmud, this is a lie. if Jesus were the son of a Roman soldier, this would've conferred citizenship on him, which in turn would've exempted him from crucifixion, as only slaves and subjects could be crucified under Roman law. Interesting, I was unaware of this actually. Just goes to show how little I've looked into this so far beyond the surface level. But would this apply to a bastard child? >I wanted to draw a distinction between original Western science and its current institutional form. I think that distinction is important in science. We've of course seen people harassed out of their positions for stating things as self-evident as racial differences many times. Today it is truly indistinguishable from religion and is anything but a disciplined, rational approach to understanding reality, but like you said it's simply an instrument in the hands of globohomo to push its agenda. When in the past we had priests pushing certain narratives and formulating theological dogma and the peasants parroting half-digested exoteric versions of this, today we have wagecucks parroting half-digested and distorted versions of Jewish science. While both are condemnable, the former was far less sinister in its intentions and goals, I'd argue. This was far from a dharmic social order, but I doubt that it ever thought about wiping out all nations on Earth, mixing the higher with the lower and upturning all authority and natural ways of being as does modern scientism and its acolytes today. >it may be a sanskrit word, but the idea was upheld by many historical societies, ranging from Europe to Japan, as I mentioned earlier. The reason that it needs to be made more well-known in these circles, especially among pagans, is because it is the foundational belief of our pre-Abrahamic ancestors, the principal by which everything was judged in direct proportion to adherence to it. In truth it doesn't matter which term we use, but the dharma : adharma dichotomy (or whatever analogous terms) is crucial and must be distinguished from Abrahamic notions like sin in the popular sense. For something to be adharmic means nothing more than non-conformity with the nature of beings, disequilibrium, a rupture of harmony, an upsetting of authority and hierarchy. The opposite, dharma, living in Truth, etc, is the opposite of this. As we've discussed, we've seen the results of this non-conformity with the nature of beings being taken as the highest good. I'd really like to pour a lot of time one day here and really look into the different correspondences to dharma that pre-Abrahamic societies have had. There's of course The Dharma Manifesto, which is a fantastic book, but I only wish that it had gone far more in depth and taken the conclusions slightly further in some places. I don't claim to know more about the concept than a Vedic acharya with decades of experience and practice under his belt, but it might be an interesting thing to explore. I know for a fact that the author was holding back a bit from watching his videos.
>>2945 Fallout 3 had the best setting though it was really dark and depressive.
>>4527 >Interesting, I was unaware of this actually. Just goes to show how little I've looked into this so far beyond the surface level. But would this apply to a bastard child? I'd have to dig further to be sure. either way, it seems like an unlikely story, especially given the source. >scientism that's a good word to describe the corrupted, dogmatic institution that has taken the place of science for the most part. yes, climate change and trannyism are being used to push globohomo, with institutional science used to back their agenda. scientism is designed to sway the masses, who often accept it at face value instead of doing their own research. this is especially true of the 'I fucking love science' soys. they don't love it, they barely know what it is. >dharma also a good word, probably the best word to describe natural order, hierarchy, and harmony. there seems to be some similarity with the eastern concept of Tao/Dao (道) but also differences. and yes, this must be distinguished from the Abrahamic/Levantine mode of thought which is a pervasive influence on us. as I said in another discussion, even when people attempt to convert to Paganism, Buddhism, or another non-abrahamic faith, many Abrahamic ideas remain embedded in them i.e. sin, heaven & hell, God & Satan, etc. it can be difficult to get over those ingrained assumptions.
>>4566 >either way, it seems like an unlikely story, especially given the source. I think the only reason that it should not be discarded out of hand is due to its mentioning by Celsus, who was obviously a non-Jewish pagan. The claim seems to be earlier than existence of the Talmud. Honestly though whether it is true or not doesn’t concern me much. Either way I have never had any great attraction to the figure of Jesus or anything he preached. The Sermon on the Mount in particular repulses me. The ideals of the New Testament applied to society would be completely against the Natural Order because it is fundamentally the dharma of a person in the life-stage of a renunciation (a sannyasi in Sanskrit) that is preached: <Sannyasa is a form of asceticism, is marked by renunciation of material desires and prejudices, represented by a state of disinterest and detachment from material life, and has the purpose of spending one's life in peaceful, love-inspired, simple spiritual life. Sounds pretty fitting to me. Likewise at this stage one loses his caste. Of course only particular aspects of this life have been brought over into Christianity – no one can seriously argue that 99.9% of Christians truly “renounce anything”. It’s another path out of this Earth, becoming above Time, a stage not meant to be applied to the whole of life as a great ideal, but instead taken by some as the culmination of a life lived in various other stages such as a student, a householder, a retired householder, and then final the world-renouncing hermit. Jesus may have adopted this state at some early date, and it is possible that he had reached great spiritual attainment and was merely misinterpreted in his teachings, but regardless he was no Son of God or figure worthy of elevation above any other sages throughout time. It is only worth researching Jesus to see if any of this speculation bears fruit, and whether it can be used to either turn these people’s Christianity into something more )))positive((( or bring them to true paganism, not shallow exoteric LARP. >even when people attempt to convert to Paganism, Buddhism, or another non-abrahamic faith, many Abrahamic ideas remain embedded in them i.e. sin, heaven & hell, God & Satan, etc. it can be difficult to get over those ingrained assumptions. It’s definitely difficult, and I say this as a former atheist (and before that a Christian but only the kind who showed up at church occasionally in childhood). Even for atheists of course the whole society is thoroughly judaized and permeated with Abrahamic concepts. Like I’m sure you’d agree and like many others have said, the default mode of secular thought in our society is essentially Christianity stripped of religious-trappings.
>>4569 Christianity is very egalitarian, in that we are all considered equals before God, we are all sinners, each with a soul in need of redemption. if anything, being poor, low-status and servile makes it easier to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, while being rich, powerful and a leader puts you at a disadvantage. it is anti-dharmic. I think Jesus was enlightened, and was a great prophet. in fact, he was the most successful prophet of all, given the scope of his religion and the extent of his claims. Christianity is still the world's most dominant religion, it's thriving 2,000 years after its founding, and Jesus is worshipped as the Son of God. none of the other great founders claimed to BE divinity: Muhammad claimed to be a messenger or conduit of Allah, while the Buddha simply claimed to have achieved enlightenment; Jesus went beyond this to claim the godhead, and more than that, did so successfully. he achieved undeniable greatness. as to whether he really was the Son of God, I won't comment on that. yes, our society is pervaded with a sort of secular Christianity. as far as fixing its current form, there's alot of entrenched assumptions and inertia there, and I doubt you'd make much headway. I think paganism and dharma is the way forward, once that gets established, it should be easier for current Christianity to improve. for better or worse, the Christian religion is here to stay, and we'll have to work with this fact rather than against it.
>>4607 >if anything, being poor, low-status and servile makes it easier to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, while being rich, powerful and a leader puts you at a disadvantage. it is anti-dharmic. Reminds me of this – 1 Corinthians 1:27-29: <But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. I post this at Christians quite often but they never explain how this is not slave morality in its purest form. It is adharma put forth as a matter of policy and it’s not hard to see how it is still an influential mindset today in this world where every freak and degenerate is cherished and exalted, if not by God, but by this clownworld. In the near future Christianity is certainly here to stay, but it is continuously declining in both America and Europe. According to this link below now only 65% of Americans in 2018-19 consider themselves Christian, down 12% from a decade previous. Not surprisingly in connection with this, church attendence is declining. The number of “religiously unaffiliated” (i.e. atheists and agnostics) rising is slightly forboding to me, since this is more often that not the first step towards pushing even more depravity and relativism upon us. I often hear people counter this with “muh based right wing atheists exist too!” – which is undeniably true since I considered myself to be one at one point, but this is very rare statistically speaking. I know the situation is the same in Western Europe as well https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/ >I think paganism and dharma is the way forward, once that gets established, it should be easier for current Christianity to improve. for better or worse, the Christian religion is here to stay, and we'll have to work with this fact rather than against it. Definitely. I think paganism will become more and more popular in these circles, and hopefully so will notions of dharma, regardless of what it is called. As long as people begin to recognize an ordering principle and the need for a harmonically-organized society and a spiritual foundation we will be heading in the right direction. Hopefully a party or group of some kind gets set up with these goals explicitly in the future.
>>4612 yes, and <Matthew 5:4 <Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. <Matthew 20:16 <So shall the last be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen. slave morality pervades Christianity, there's no denying this. its egalitarian, adharmic outlook is paralleled by the modern Left. Christianity has been declining in the West for awhile, but it thrives in other regions, namely Latin America, Africa, and parts of Asia. it's still the world's largest religion, and I predict that it will continue to be a potent spiritual force far into the future. it survived early persecution, defeated its rivals in Late Antiquity, colonized nations around the world, and is still strong 2000 years later. Christianity should not be underestimated. whether you call it dharma or natural order, it's of fundamental importance. I think the state of Christianity in the West is in many ways a result of our cultural decline and increased pozzing. once the baseline of our society is improved by dharma, Christianity will also benefit. even if it has adharmic tenets, it's something we'll have to accommodate.
>>4655 >>4655 Even with decline it shouldn't be completely discounted. It's here to stay in one form or another for a very long time still for better or for worse, much like you say. Even if pagan-inspired forces were to come to power in a given Western country I doubt - if they were smart - that they would touch Christianity in any significant way, as it only creators martyrs. We all know how the Abrahamist, deep down, thirsts for martyrdom. I think there was a quote in Mein Kampf somewhere that said something to the effective that you can't persecute an idea out of existence, instead you need to present a better alternative. Of course we both think that a dharmic social order is this better alternative. Christianity is both a mix of adharmic and dharmic elements. If in anyway the latter can be nurtured it should be done somehow. >I think the state of Christianity in the West is in many ways a result of our cultural decline and increased pozzing. once the baseline of our society is improved by dharma, Christianity will also benefit. even if it has adharmic tenets, it's something we'll have to accommodate. I completely agree. I think it will take some for pagan-inspired worldviews to really mature and emerge into the mainstream in anyway though. It has undeniably been a persistent current in our circles, but I long for the day when it is preached openly and implemented on a national scale. All it takes is one individual who really intuitively grasps this worldview and can articulate it in such a way that it is an immensely attractive alternative and fulfilling spiritual path and Weltanschauung. Of course in the mean-time we should never sit idly by and wait for our saviors. "Kalki" will come one day, but action is always better than inaction, as we all know.
>>4668 Ethno-religions like paganism won't rise until they are expressly tied to fecundity and large families. It will have to reject birth control
>>4686 This won’t be hard to put forward as a position, it’s a natural corollary of our ethnonationalist views to cherish large families and healthy, sustainable birth-rates. Likewise birth-control is degenerate because it hinders such things. Of course though it’s one thing to advocate for this another to put it into practice. I want at least a half a dozen kids. We need to be making up for what leftists atheists and other NPC whites are failing at.
>>4696 >I want at least a half a dozen kids. I know you can do it, if you actively strive toward it with resolve. Best of luck anon.
>>4712 Best of luck to you as well, anon. I come from a small family so it's definitely something I've always wanted even ignoring white nationalism for a second. Truly the hardest part is finding a good wife. I only worry for what futures await them if nothing changes.
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>>4668 >We all know how the Abrahamist, deep down, thirsts for martyrdom. Jesus was a martyr, so in a sense, Christianity was founded on martyrdom. >>4686 in many ways, paganism was tied to public life. in antiquity, there was no separation of Church and State, no clear boundary between secular and religious. the gods pervaded society and were woven into the community. thus, paganism was especially vulnerable to societal collapse, whereas Christianity persisted underground and eventually triumphed. one of the challenges facing paganism today is that it's fractured and dispersed among small groups, when it's meant to be communally oriented.
>>4738 >Jesus was a martyr, so in a sense, Christianity was founded on martyrdom. Exactly, and it's not even an active martyrdom like Jihadis or Kamikaze pilots. It's almost wholly passive. The typical Christian does not want to die in battle forwarding the cause of his people (as in the Kamikaze example) or in defending and forwarding his religion. Wholly disconnecting myself from what Jihadis have done and are doing against white people for a moment, their warrior and martyr tradition is very admirable. I had long came to this belief intuitively but reading books such as Evola's Metaphysics of War helped further cement this belief. There is more overlap than one would at first think between these two and the true Aryan warrior (as opposed to the "citizen-soldier" of today) since the latter too is rooted in traditional and a far more spiritual conception of warfare.
>>4751 active vs passive martyrdom is a very important distinction. it's one thing to go into battle, accepting death as an outcome of struggle. it's quite another to quietly accept persecution and death out of pacifism. the latter is very Abrahamic in nature, while the former is aryan and dharmic. we see active martyrdom in the samurai ethos and other warrior traditions, and passive martyrdom in Jesus and the Christian saints who followed him. generally speaking, submission is characteristic of the Abrahamic faiths. while Islam does have a respectable warrior tradition, it also demands that Muslims submit to Allah and kowtow to Mecca every day, so the submissive influence is still there. likewise, when attending Church growing up, I would kneel in the pews as part of Mass. arguably the Jews also submit to their laws and talmud. in contrast, Buddhism (the dharmic religion I'm most familiar with) asks you to rise above cravings and worldly attachments, follow the noble eightfold path, and seek enlightenment. you are challenged to climb a mountain, rather than asked to submit. this seems to be a fundamental difference in character.
>>4860 >active vs passive martyrdom is a very important distinction. it's one thing to go into battle, accepting death as an outcome of struggle. it's quite another to quietly accept persecution and death out of pacifism. the latter is very Abrahamic in nature, while the former is aryan and dharmic. It reminds me of some of my favorite verses of the Bhagavad Gita. I don't want to quote dump, but it really goes to show how stark of a difference there is between the traditional Aryan conception of warfare and the Abrahamic: <(2.31) And as you discern your own dharma, you should not waver. For the warrior, there can be found nothing greater than battle for the sake of dharma <(2.33) If you will not engage in this fight for the sake of dharma, you will have shunned your own dharma and your good name, and shall cause harm. <(3.35) Better one's own dharma, even if ineffective, than the dharma of another, practiced well! Better death in one's own dharma! The dharma ovver of another brings on fear. I can't be the only one who sees how extremely radical conclusions can be drawn from such verses and what it legitimizes. The starkest of all contrasts can be seen in 11.33, which outright says "Prepare to fight and win glory. Conquer your enemies ". How stark of a contrast from the thoroughly "in Time" teaching of Jesus - "love your enemies"! This is why Savitri Devi has called the Gita the book of the Warrior Against Time, the book that teaches detached, selfless violence. >arguably the Jews also submit to their laws and talmud. Jews at least adhere to a tradition that affirms their supremacy and protects their race, making them, paradoxically, one of the least cucked Abrahamic religions. This, of course, is why the Jews are so dangerous. The Jews are of course a conniving and effeminate race, but where they lack in a warrior tradition, they can of course accomplish through backstabbing, flattery, subversion and degeneracy. They are the exact opposite of the Aryan, and their claims for "Chosenness" are fraudulent. The only thing they are "chosen" for is to serve as a parasite within nations, a force that advances the cause of adharma, the destruction of all beauty, life-affirmation and races, including themselves. As Hitler taught, the Jew will destroy itself in a orgy of bloodshed when their domination reaches its apex. One of the clearest signs of bluepilledness is thinking that any peace can be reached with this race. There are millenia-worth of examples to the contrary. >in contrast, Buddhism (the dharmic religion I'm most familiar with) asks you to rise above cravings and worldly attachments, follow the noble eightfold path, and seek enlightenment. you are challenged to climb a mountain, rather than asked to submit. this seems to be a fundamental difference in character. I'm attracted to some aspects of Buddhism as well, especially the interpretation of it that shows that the teachings of the Buddha are not pacifistic, humanistic or representing a doctrine of universal love and egalitarianism as it is often represented in the West today. This is a distortion. The true core of Buddhism is aristocratic, esoteric and accessible only to an elect few. Buddhist ethics cannot be reduced to the deontological slave ethics of (((Christianity))). Right conduct is purely instrumental. Follow it or do not follow it, stay asleep if you want as a samsaric NPC. Kamikaze pilots and Samurai represent true men who understood the elitist teachings of the Buddha. The Buddha’s basic teachings are redpilled. Even if one does not consider themself a Buddhist there is much good in the teachings that even a non-religious person can benefit from.
>>4865 >>4865 >It reminds me of some of my favorite verses of the Bhagavad Gita. I don't want to quote dump, but it really goes to show how stark of a difference there is between the traditional Aryan conception of warfare and the Abrahamic: yes, and you can also see this in bushido texts, particularly the Hagakure's famous opening lines (the way of the warrior is death), and Munenori's concept of the life-giving sword (in which violence can sometimes be used to preserve life). likewise, Buddhism has the concept of upaya/skillful means, where in certain situations, you can act in ways that would usually result in negative karma, but are justified by circumstance. >The Buddha’s basic teachings are redpilled. Even if one does not consider themself a Buddhist there is much good in the teachings that even a non-religious person can benefit from. yes indeed >Jews at least adhere to a tradition that affirms their supremacy and protects their race, making them, paradoxically, one of the least cucked Abrahamic religions. This, of course, is why the Jews are so dangerous. The Jews are of course a conniving and effeminate race, but where they lack in a warrior tradition, they can of course accomplish through backstabbing, flattery, subversion and degeneracy. that makes sense. it was tricky for me to fit the Jews into the 'submissive' ethos of Abrahamic religion, but this explains it.
>you can also see this in bushido texts, particularly the Hagakure's famous opening lines (the way of the warrior is death), and Munenori's concept of the life-giving sword (in which violence can sometimes be used to preserve life). I definitely had the Hagakure in mind when typing these quotes down. It's always interested me how much similarity there is between many warrior traditions. Contrary to what the (((culture industry))) sells us, the traditional warrior is not uncontrolled savagery and passions, but of course precisely the opposite - the true warrior is calm, controlled, and able to subordinate his individualistic tendencies or lower elements to principles, placing his svadharma above mere personhood. This is why Evola speaks of "warrior-like asceticism". It might not be totally coincidental that figures like Mahavira and Siddharta Gautama came from kshatriya lines in this context. Also I don't think I've heard of Munenori before. Has he written anything worth checking out? >likewise, Buddhism has the concept of upaya/skillful means, where in certain situations, you can act in ways that would usually result in negative karma, but are justified by circumstance. Didn't the Buddha also have a metaphor where the whole body of moral roles (at least those within the tradition), and good and evil to a raft built for crossing a river? Once one had crossed it would be ridiculous to keep dragging the raft along. Compared to Abrahamic morality, which is far more like laws in modern states (you must do xyz or burn!) the Buddhist ones seem much more instrumental and provisional. >that makes sense. it was tricky for me to fit the Jews into the 'submissive' ethos of Abrahamic religion, but this explains it. The best way to think of Judaism is that in the versions meant for the consumption by goyim that everything that could be described as "based" has been completely inverted and given cucked connotations that weren't originally there, for example "love your neighbor as yourself" in the context of the Old Testament meant "love your fellow Jew" but when peddled to the goyim we see today how it is used for one to be endlessly tolerant of everyone. Likewise the Jews can be seen depicted as completely eradicating goyim and destroying their cultures through force in the Old Testament like in Deuteronomy 7, where it is spoken how God brings the Jews into lands and clears away nations before Him, delivering them unto the Jews. They are told to utterly destroy them. No covenants must be made with them, no intermarriage must take place and their native traditions must be destroyed outright -- "But this is how you must deal with them: break down their altars, smash their pillars, hew down their sacred poles, and burn their idols with fire. For you are a people holy to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on earth to be his people, his treasured possession" (Deut 7:5-6).
the white race is gonna die, i'm fucking calling it now
>>4895 I’m pretty pessimistic as well honestly, but as long as there is a chance to turn things around it should be seized.
>>4895 Remember man, you're born White. For that alone, you should be happy. I'd be the happiest man on Earth if I were born a man who's White.
I might get crucified for this but here goes: >I only care about ethnicity as far as creating a homogeneous national identity I'm still not convinced on the whole master race thing, but I care about my country being white because multiculturalism, and its core, multiracialism will almost always lead to strife and disunity within the national body.
>>4899 I’ve always thought that not buying into the “masterrace” idea is strange, personally. The whole reason why the white race must be preserved is because it is we who have the potential to produce the cream of the crop of humanity, that group of people which has, for better or worse created the foundations of this modern civilization and nearly every invention above the most rudimentary. Similarly we are the most beautiful, the most adaptative, the conquerers who have subjugated entire races in pursuit of our goals. If I was not white it would be hard not to feel envious and inferior. Sadly today it is hard to see why our race is the crowning achievement of Nature, given how we are being degenerated through modern conditions, subversion, miscegenation and other means. The exact reason why whites must be wiped out, replaced and destroyed is exactly because we, without Jew-programming, are much more frequently natural masters
>>4881 >I definitely had the Hagakure in mind when typing these quotes down. It's always interested me how much similarity there is between many warrior traditions. Contrary to what the (((culture industry))) sells us, the traditional warrior is not uncontrolled savagery and passions, but of course precisely the opposite - the true warrior is calm, controlled, and able to subordinate his individualistic tendencies or lower elements to principles, placing his svadharma above mere personhood. This is why Evola speaks of "warrior-like asceticism". It might not be totally coincidental that figures like Mahavira and Siddharta Gautama came from kshatriya lines in this context. true indeed. warrior traditions are often grossly misrepresented, and you have to dig down further to find the truth. >Also I don't think I've heard of Munenori before. Has he written anything worth checking out? yes, he wrote the Life-Giving Sword, aka the Hereditary Book on the Art of War. it belongs on your bookshelf next to the Hagakure and the Book of Five Rings. >Didn't the Buddha also have a metaphor where the whole body of moral roles (at least those within the tradition), and good and evil to a raft built for crossing a river? Once one had crossed it would be ridiculous to keep dragging the raft along. Compared to Abrahamic morality, which is far more like laws in modern states (you must do xyz or burn!) the Buddhist ones seem much more instrumental and provisional. correct. Buddhist ethics are like training wheels that help you learn until you acquire balance, and then become redundant. they're like a cast that sets the bones so they can knit, and then comes off when you're healed. the idea is to condition you until you internalize the ethics, so that you can then intuitively act in the correct manner. the formal rules are a means to an end, not the end itself; this is a dramatic departure from the authoritarian ethos of Abrahamic religion, which as you said demands obedience, and an even greater departure from pharasaic/talmudic legalism. >Judaism I see a significant difference between the Old Testament Hebrews, and the Pharisees & Jews who came after. if you read the Bible, you're struck by a huge shift in Jewish character between Old and New Testaments. the original Hebrews were admirable in many ways, rising to challenges, crafting a sophisticated and uncucked religion and culture. the Pharisees were degenerate relics by comparison. as I've said before, things degenerate based on original qualities, and since the Hebrews emphasized the Law, the Pharisees became legalistic, hair-splitting hypocrites. those same Pharisees who were BTFO by Jesus and the Romans ended up becoming the source of the modern Judaism and the Talmud.
Neinchan hates me for this: >Terrant worship is not helping their cause, quite the contrary in fact. Some don’t seem to get that this battle will be won over the long term. Rushing things would do no good and clearly didn’t learned shit from the kommandant. Probably why he never posted on nein again. I await the bullets.
>>4905 >Rushing things would do no good We don’t have time to wait. The white race is toast if something doesn’t happen in the next few decades. Lemmings still have too much faith in the system since it gives them a modicum of stability and material satisfaction, and they’re so atomized and domesticated at this point that accelerationism is the only option unless we’re going to have to hedge all of our bets on the next economic downturn which will undoubtedly shake normalfags faith in the system. I don’t know why we should listen to some cosplaying e-celeb like Kommandant on this issue honestly, because I highly doubt he’ll ever risk his hide for his race — and I don’t even mean by going for the high score, I mean in any way. To be completely honest I don’t dislike Tarrant, but I have doubts in the type of strategy that he and his several copycats have followed. Something needs done, but only God knows what. This type of stuff is only going to keep happening the longer lemmings remain asleep and docile, and the longer the future looks ever darker for young whites. Mass-shootings are fruitless actions of despair. They accelerate, sure , but wage-slaves are utterly worthless and replaceable
>>4906 Well you’re someone who gets it. Probably better than I. You’re right there’s not a lot of time left, normalfags will only shift side when they are at the brink of total collapse. I am in no way against accelerationism, but it needs to be done right. Which means going for the high scores that counts. For instance I am starting to hear pedo apologists on the state funded radio where I am. If a pewdiepie subscriber would visit this studio I’ll be the first to cheer him on. But when innocents gets the bullet under this context will simply give more reasons for normalfags to ask the Jews to double down, and they’ll gladly do so. So I think your doubts are well placed. In other words: Surgical strikes over retarded and spontaneous acts.
>>4905 OK but you are literally an armchair commander, nobody cares what some nameless do-nothing says when we are losing numbers by the minute. >braces for downvotes lmao
>>4895 Point the gun the other way you shivering stink gash
>>4907 >it needs to be done right. Which means going for the high scores that counts Weirdly enough that is essentially what Tarrant argued that others do in calling for the deaths of Merkel and Sadiq Khan, but instead he goes and shoots up a mosque. Now, this mosque and the city of Christchurch were well known for their ties to radical activity / ISIS so I see this as a completely valid target and do not for a single minute lament the deaths of any of them. My concern of course is with what actually accelerates the collapse of the ZOG system. As was said in the last post, the government might take steps to tighten security after an attack like Tarrant's, but that arguably strengthens the state, I doubt NZ really cares that fifty plebs got blasted at the end of the day except outside of the sense that race relations have to be kept good and further attacks should be prevented. Even more than people though, regardless of importance, there is always the system itself and its structure to keep in mind when discussing acceleration. One can blast government officials all day but they'll put someone new right in their place.
>>4904 >yes, he wrote the Life-Giving Sword, aka the Hereditary Book on the Art of War. it belongs on your bookshelf next to the Hagakure and the Book of Five Rings. I will definitely pick these up some time soon. I have been slowly easing into learning more about Japan recently anyhow, going through the Hagakure, Hojoki, Tsurezuregusa and some of Mishima's works. >which as you said demands obedience, and an even greater departure from pharasaic/talmudic legalism. I've seen it pointed out before that the ethical systems of the pre-Abrahamic Aryans were primarily virtue-based, where one's true inner disposition is central, developing habits of good character was stressed and the basic rule of thumb was "act as a virtuous person would act in your situation", making it flexible and individually focused, and as you put it well a type of training wheels, a means to an end. If we look, in contrast to something like the Ten Commandments are very legalistic and socially-oriented, with morality being based on specific obligations, obligatory irrespective of consequences. Pagan law - which is necessarily in accordance with dharma and non-conflicting custom (nomos) should be focused on bringing out true change in inner dispositions, not merely LARPing along with the proscribed conduct so you don't burn in Hell. Of course that's quite the lofty ideal I set there, and violence and punishment are ultimately king in ensuring the stability of the castes and hierarchies (like the Laws of Manu say, emphasizing the importance of the virtuous king / leader). If everyone was virtuous we wouldn't need law or a state at all, but no one here is that deluded, but it should make us realize the importance of virtuous conduct. >I see a significant difference between the Old Testament Hebrews, and the Pharisees & Jews who came after. The Talmud is definitely a huge departure from the older forms of Judaism. I personally would say that they've of course always been subversive parasites and destroyers of nations, as can be seen if one reads Alfred Rosenberg's The Track of the Jew Through the Ages, but the Talmudic pilpuling kike is truly on another level.
>>4903 I think many people want their race to be preserved because it's theirs and it doesn't have to be logical. I'd like to believe that I would still have a basic race preservation instinct even if I were some hut dwelling nig in africa. Studies show that people are more trusting of others that have similar features to them. I can also speak from experience that it's simply easier to deal with someone when you already have the basics of race and culture in common. It's human nature(TM) to identify with your own kin. When I say I'm not convinced by the master race stuff, it isn't that I deny or even disagree that the white race is by most measures the superior race. I just personally have trouble treating others as though they are inherently inferior to me and I'd like to see a world where all races are uplifted to out standard - in their native lands, of course. If Africa produced a civilization equal to ours, I'd be happy for them. Do I see it happening? Not really,as there are groups objectively better than Africans that still struggle with the basics. I do support the typical fascist policies regarding this stuff though, it's mainly just a personal belief thing.
>>4918 >I will definitely pick these up some time soon. I have been slowly easing into learning more about Japan recently anyhow, going through the Hagakure, Hojoki, Tsurezuregusa and some of Mishima's works. the Book of Five Rings and Life-Giving Sword are complementary in many ways, since Miyamoto Musashi was a wandering ronin, while Yagyu Munenori directly served the Tokugawa shoguns, who patronized his school of swordsmanship. Yamamoto Tsunetomo (the main source of Hagakure) was a samurai of the Saga domain who was somewhat at odds with the shogunate, so he falls into the middle. >Pagan law - which is necessarily in accordance with dharma and non-conflicting custom (nomos) should be focused on bringing out true change in inner dispositions, not merely LARPing along with the proscribed conduct so you don't burn in Hell. true indeed. this seems to be a central distinction between Dharmic and Abrahamic traditions. I've read that when the Buddha was teaching his disciples, the original sangha shared an implicit understanding of ethics and the path to enlightenment; however, they realized that if their teachings were to become a world religion and reach many more sentients, they had to set down their ideas explicitly, thus the Tripitaka was written down. >Of course that's quite the lofty ideal I set there, and violence and punishment are ultimately king in ensuring the stability of the castes and hierarchies (like the Laws of Manu say, emphasizing the importance of the virtuous king / leader). If everyone was virtuous we wouldn't need law or a state at all, but no one here is that deluded, but it should make us realize the importance of virtuous conduct. you need force, but only as a last result. cultivating virtue and leading by example is a better, more subtle way of guiding your people, but there's always a few deviants who cannot be persuaded and must be dealt with. we see this throughout dharmic teachings. the concept of the life-giving sword is that judicious use of violence can ultimately prevent greater violence. in Buddhism, there's the concept of upaya/skillful means, in which acts that would usually cause negative karma may be the right thing to do in specific situations. for example, let's say your house is burning down, and your kids are being spergs and ignoring the obvious danger. so you tell them that the toys they want are outside, tricking them into fleeing the house, and thus saving their lives. another example is the actions Burma has been taking against the Rohingya Muslims who, the media assure us, dindu nuffin. in reality, the Burmese are defending their nation, people and sangha against radical Islam. another meaning of upaya is to guide people towards the truth in terms they can understand. >The Talmud is definitely a huge departure from the older forms of Judaism. yes, I think this is the best way to explain the downright respectable qualities of the OT versus what came later.
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>>4924 >cultivating virtue and leading by example is a better, more subtle way of guiding your people I fully agree. It is shameful how degenerate and scandalous the actions of many of these suited up politicians today are. There is not the smallest amount of virtuous behavior in them. Leaders must be held to stringent ethical codes. If the leaders are corrupt, the people will be corrupted. Gita 3.21 - <Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. The most recent example of this type of man, of course, is Hitler, but it was ever more frequent as we look back into the past when dharma was a more influential and recognized concept. >upaya I will have to read more about this. Now that I think about it, I guess I have heard of Munenori. I had thought that what you said about the sword sounded very familiar, and sure enough he was quoted in the introduction to the copy of the Hagakure that I own: <At times because of one man's evil, ten thousand people suffer. So if you kill that one man to let the tens of thousands live. Here, truly, the blade that deals death becomes the sword that saves lives. >another example is the actions Burma has been taking against the Rohingya Muslims who, the media assure us, dindu nuffin. in reality, the Burmese are defending their nation, people and sangha against radical Islam. I'm glad the Burmese Buddhists have been taking a stand against these people. They are clearly not innocent if one takes even a few minutes to read about what has gone down there (skirmishes between government forces and Rohingya militants, rioting, etc -- I'm sure I could find much more if I were to research the situation in any depth). Reading about what the Muslims did to Buddhists in Afghanistan, Kashmir and the great Buddhist monastery / university of Nalanda has always angered me. I've read that they explicitly targetted the Sangha during their "holy wars" since they were the heart of a healthy Buddhist community. It's especially telling that the modern word for "idol" or "graven image" is بت (bot) for now-Muslim speaking communities such as the Iranians comes from their word that once meant "Buddha".
>>4936 <Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. this is similar to the concept of the chakravartin, or wheel-turning king, a virtuous ruler who uses temporal power to guide the people towards truth (as opposed to the spiritual power of the Buddha and bodhisattvas). >upaya like many other things in Buddhism, it's a subtle concept. it can refer to carefully bending the rules for the greater good, or telling people those parts of the truth they can understand in order to guide them. >I'm glad the Burmese Buddhists have been taking a stand against these people. as am I. and I'm not surprised that the shill media screeches about genocide in response to their proportionate, justified self-defense. >Reading about what the Muslims did to Buddhists in Afghanistan, Kashmir and the great Buddhist monastery / university of Nalanda has always angered me. there's a long history of conflict there, with Muslims being the aggressors of course. while there are respectable qualities in Islam, it's still an Abrahamic faith, which are virulent and aggressive by nature, prone to fundamentalism, and attempt to subvert or destroy all other ideas in their path. compare this to the lack of zealotry in dharmic faiths, and their ability to co-exist with one another such as in India and China. Dharmic religion tends to have a more philosophical character, which is especially true of Buddhism, and this gives it natural resistance to the cancer of radicalism. as an aside, the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan was a despicable act of vandalism, and something I find unforgivable. > the Sangha ... since they were the heart of a healthy Buddhist community. this is worth emphasizing. all Buddhists take refuge in the Three Jewels: the Buddha (enlightened one), dharma (teachings), and sangha (monastic community). so there's the original founder who charted the path to enlightenment, his teachings and discourses, and the community of monks who uphold this. an aspect of dharmic or natural order is a priestly class, who specialize in proper rituals and teaching, and are responsible for guiding the rest. they also unify communities, and prevent the atomization and sense of drift that pervades our society.
>>4938 >this is similar to the concept of the chakravartin, or wheel-turning king, a virtuous ruler who uses temporal power to guide the people towards truth (as opposed to the spiritual power of the Buddha and bodhisattvas). Even though that verse wasn't explicitly in reference to chakravartin, it might as well be, as a true chakravartin would doubtlessly follow such a style of ruling, as would any good leader: <3.20 — Even kings like Janaka and others attained the perfectional stage by performance of prescribed duties. Therefore, just for the sake of educating the people in general, you should perform your work. This verse again mentions the importance of ruling conscious of one's high and vital position. I've seen Emperor Ashoka described as Chakravartin, and I'm inclined to agree honestly, in light of use of Buddhism as a guiding ethic in his later reign, and how he banned Brahmanical animal sacrifice, protected non-food animals, fish and birds, and in general put great effort into propagating and promoting dharma among his people. It would be thousands of years until a ruler even came close to this level, and again not even close given the different cultural environment and the in-creeping of adharma, as we saw with Adolf Hitler's revolutionary bans on vivisection, animal cruely and abuse and his promotion of good conduct and health through his abstention alcohol, tobacco and meat. He certainly would have promoted dharma to his utmost if the Jews had not destroyed and re-enslaved the German people. >while there are respectable qualities in Islam, it's still an Abrahamic faith, which are virulent and aggressive by nature, prone to fundamentalism, and attempt to subvert or destroy all other ideas in their path. compare this to the lack of zealotry in dharmic faiths, and their ability to co-exist with one another such as in India and China. I definitely respect some aspects of Islam, as we've spoken about with its slightly more warrior-oriented tradition, not to mention its stances on alcohol and several other varieties of degeneracy, but much of these are definitely common sense values in my opinion and does not excuse many flaws of the Abrahamic traditions, of course. I have of course no desire to force my beliefs onto the entire planet and all people regardless of race and quality like Abrahamists do, but I think that it is their zealotry has granted them much success in spreading all over the Earth and stomping out other traditions. Hitler recognized this as well in more political terms, though in a more general sense: <“The conviction that one has the right to use even the most brutal weapons always goes hand in hand with fanatical faith in the necessity of the victory of a revolutionary new order upon this earth. A movement that is not fighting for such high aims and ideals, will therefore never resort to the most extreme means.” Still, while I might definitely believe such a thing in regards to politics (i.e. stomping out the opposition, especially those that preach things corrosive to any true Dharmic society), I of course see no problem with a plurality of healthy religious traditions, as, like you said, have coexisted (with a few bumps here and there) in India, China and Japan for centuries now. It's no coincidence at all that the only major religious purge to take place that readily comes to mind done by non-Abrahamics is on Abrahamics, i.e. in Tokugawa Japan when Christians were quite literally purged for being subversives: <The Christian influence, which had managed to gain an incredible following in just a few decades, was seen as a direct threat to life in feudal Japan, and so the shogunate decided to close Japan’s boarders to all but the most minimal of foreign exchange. This policy was known as sakoku (literally “closed country”). Trade was limited to Nagasaki, and only the Dutch, Koreans, and Chinese were tolerated. Any attempts to preach Christian ideals were met with the death penalty. From: “Wabi Sabi: The Japanese Art of Impermanence” by Andrew Juniper <Lest we get the impression that the long Tokugawa tranquility was a natural state of endless harmony, we should be aware of the numerous measures that were taken to keep the peace. [...] And a fourth [policy] was to suppress Christianity in the attempt to rid Japan of the dangerously destabilizing idea that all people were equal in the sight of God. The Tokugawa leaders wanted stability, not equality. They looked to Confucianism to establish a hierarchy of four main social classes. From: “Evanescence and Form” by Charles Shirō Inouye. >as an aside, the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan was a despicable act of vandalism, and something I find unforgivable. When I was getting pics for that post I read on the Wikipedia page some stuff about Muslims back in the day shooting cannons at it too. Imagine seething this hard over a statue. >an aspect of dharmic or natural order is a priestly class, who specialize in proper rituals and teaching, and are responsible for guiding the rest. they also unify communities, and prevent the atomization and sense of drift that pervades our society. All of this is certainly lacking in our current society, which is as adrift as it has ever been as far as I can tell. Even a healthy community centered around a church - as unhealthy as the dogma tought may be over the course of many generations - provides at least something for people to cluster around and gain a benefit from. We're at the point where many people don't know their neighbors a few hundred feet away.
>>4936 >Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. Reminds me of these: “You are there to govern; what use have you for killing? If you desire the good, the people will be good. The virtue of the gentleman is the wind; the virtue of the little people is the grass. The wind on the grass will surely bend it.” “Lead them with government and regulate them by punishments, and the people will evade them with no sense of shame. Lead them with virtue and regulate them by ritual, and they will acquire a sense of shame—and moreover, they will be orderly” Take the Confuciuspill.

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