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Japanese Learning Thread Anonymous 02/09/2020 (Sun) 18:52:20 No.14924
I copied this direct from the vch bunker. Figured it would be a shame to lose the information. Roughly how long does it take for one to be able to fluently read actual, practical japanese like a standard nip uses? Resources DJT guide: https://djtguide.neocities.org/ http://pastebin.com/w0gRFM0c Anki and Decks Anki: https://apps.ankiweb.net/ Core 2k/6k: https://mega.nz/#!QIQywAAZ!g6wRM6KvDVmLxq7X5xLrvaw7HZGyYULUkT_YDtQdgfU Core2k/6k content: https://core6000.neocities.org/ Anon's Japanese Learner Anki package: https://mega.nz/#!14YTmKjZ!A_Ac110yAfLNE6tIgf5U_DjJeiaccLg3RGOHVvI0aIk >This is a .zip file with a number of Anki decks and a number of books on grammar, including >Japanese the Manga Way >Tae Kim's guide to Japanese Grammar >Remembering the Kanji vol 1, 2 and 3 (mnemonic exercises) >A Dictionary of basic, intermediate, and advanced Japanese grammar >An Anki deck that contains the Visualizing Japanese Grammar video series, a deck for Kana, a deck for Kanji and vocab, and a deck version of the DoJG book KanjiDamage deck: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/748570187 Kodansha's Kanji Learner's Course deck: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/779483253 [I personally recommend to get the anki app for your tablet.] Websites, Apps, and Books RealKana: http://realkana.com/ Kana Invaders: https://learnjapanesepod.com/kana-invaders/ Genki I and II (2nd Edition): https://mega.nz/#!aBF1TJYJ!D7Lkamt_oa6QlkMX4k0e7nDRu3qwacyyuoyxvbSego8 <The zip's password is "cant" Forvo.com: https://ja.forvo.com/ Mainichi.me: http://mainichi.me/ Rikaichan: http://www.polarcloud.com/rikaichan/ GoogleIME: https://www.google.com/ime/ KanjiVG: http://kanji.sljfaq.org/kanjivg.html IMABI: http://www.imabi.net/ Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/
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https://anon.cafe/lang/ >Roughly how long does it take for one to be able to fluently read actual, practical japanese like a standard nip uses? At least 5 years. This applies to any language including English. t. Someone who is learning.
>>14924 I really need to get back into this. I'm very good with kanji learning and understand a bit of the grammar, but I realized about the only thing I liked is the kanji because I have almost no interest in anime or Japanese women. It was stimulating though and I imagine that it opens doors on sadpanda.
Thanks. Was waiting for someone to make one of these here. >>14926 Is that as a NEET or with a job and such?
2 things: Not videogames, and please make a proper board. I don't mind bilingual teaching boards&threads, but this doesn't qualify for /v/. I asked BO to migrate this thread to /b/ while one of you decide to make a board altogether. Maybe a localization thread strictly for videogames would be OK.
>>14926 >At least 5 years. >This applies to any language including English. Nigger, English is 6 gorillion times easier than half the languages out there, why would you say that?
>>14988 >what are proverbs and common knoweledge >what are jokes and puns >what are technical terms used in non-technical contextes >what are interjections and exclamations Yeah, easy peasy like a breezy, huh! Totes easy, like, gonna learn it in a jiffie! >>14962 >Is that as a NEET or with a job and such? Ultimately the time-consuming part is actually learning the very basics of the language. You don't have to learn everything in one go, most of the time knowing how to say "Do you want to pat the head of a loli?" is enough to say you have the basics down. Once you're done with that, just read stuff at your own pace. Of course the less you put time into it, the more it takes; still, the basics will take years regardless of your schedule. Don't believe any of that "learn X in Y days" bullshit.
>>14990 >implying other languages don't have proverbs, puns, etc. Did you even think before posting that? >Ultimately the time-consuming part is actually learning the very basics of the language You're contradicting yourself.
>>14972 2 things: No one cares about your opinion and constant vol LARP. Second: become anhero.
>>14926 German only takes 2 years
>>15002 two things: why do you care about an extinct language only autists use, and why don't you have a >>>/b/oard already? >>15011 Deutschunterricht Wann? Deutsche vidya jemals?
>>15011 It sounds like a pig talking
>>15000 >>implying other languages don't have proverbs, puns, etc. That's exactly my point. English isn't special nor easier than any arbitrary natural language. Having a more relaxed grammar doesn't mean you can assimilate the rest of the language like it's nothing. >You're contradicting yourself. You are right, I should've had written "takes the most effort". >>15011 In two years can you have a concersation with a German without stuttering or sounding like an ignorant? That's the ultimate test to see wether or not one has learned a language, in this case German. By the way, English is not my first language and that's why I can confidently say that learning any language takes at least 5 years.
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Still on my anki decks painfully pushing through vocab. Should I take up Japanese at a community college? I'm taking classes there anyways and I need to take a language in order to get into a CS program at one of the universities. I don't like Spanish and I'm learning Japanese regardless, so I figured I might as well. >>15048 It's simply "sounding ignorant" ESL-kun
>>15096 > I'm taking classes there anyways and I need to take a language in order to get into a CS program at one of the universities. Sounds like a home run to me, head start on credits.
Do nips prefer to write in hiragana, katakana, or do they prefer to write straight from kanji? Very new to this, and writing out both hiragana and katakana, just wondered if they had a preference.
>>14924 Nicely made, I should have done it myself tbqhwy. >>15105 It's not a matter of preference, however, nowadays you can often hear the youth proposing to use just the kana alone as learning (and more importantly remembering) kanji is a pain in the ass even for the nips. >Very new to this, and writing out both hiragana and katakana, just wondered if they had a preference Modern katakana is used only for foreign words and for some occasional cutesy effect of mixing the scripts, don't waste much time practicing it, hiragana is the main crux of modern nip.
>>15011 You're not counting the 3 years of regret for learning german
>>15096 If you have to take a language, and you're already interested in Japanese, and you're already teaching yourself Japanese, and you don't like the obvious low-hanging-fruit option, and Japanese isn't some useless third-world language like Zulu or Scots or Russian, why would you even consider not taking it?
>>15121 you cheeky lad For my part I want to learn jap, then french/german, but don't know the order for the last two yet. I expect french and german to be a cakewalk comparatively since they're (I think) both Latin based.
>>15145 Mark Twain had an interesting essay on the German language. And German's a Germanic Language, not a Romance Language. It wouldn't be like learning Swahili, no, but it's not like learning French after Italian. Maybe a linguist anon can give you a better idea.
>>15137 >Russian >third world >useless what tier of brainlet are you, anon?
Now this is a kino thread.
>>15145 French won't help you to learn german. T.french who can't speak german beyond . jahvol, Toten fur wotan.
>>15175 all latin languages are the same tbqhwy
>>15145 >German >Latin based I'm amazed how someone (apparently) literate and with at least the cursory interest in languages to be interested in learning them can be this ignorant about the very basics of linguistic genealogy.
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>>15180 Should we tell him about english?
>>15180 >>15183 The English alphabet and the German alphabet and the French both are based on the various Latin alphabets.
>>15184 If other anon is judging how hard learning an additional language is going to be based solely on how similar its writing system is to another, he's in for a rude shock. Xhosa uses a Latin alphabet but it's sure not as easy for a French speaker to learn as Italian would be.
>>15180 >imagine being this retarded and not knowing that german is based on latin while being this smug about his low IQ, trying to cover it by using smrt words fucking kek
>>15187 >german is based on latin Giga-brainlet here
>>15048 Anon asked how long until you can read at the highest levels. Speaking without any hesitancy or issues at the highest levels (university or near native) will take longer, in any language. Unless you are jumping from one romance language to another. Those are easy since the vocabulary and grammar are incredibly similar. If you lived in Germany though or got a live in German girlfriend I think it would be doable as long as you only hang out with natives and avoid expats. Germany is phonetic so spelling, comprehension, and pronunciation are very easy. The biggest issue in sounding native is probably mastering verbal phrases and the nuances of their case system combined with some of the rarer word gender exceptions.
>>15048 English is an easy language because there's no case system, no noun gender, almost no verb conjugation, and it's absolutely everywhere so you have to go out of your way to avoid it. The only hard parts are phrasal verbs, orthography (which spell check basically eliminates), homonyms/homophones (god damned homos), and a few odd rules like adjective order in long adjective chains before a noun (ex. "the large white egg" vs. "the white large egg"). So in terms of grammar I feel it is objectively easier than many languages. Of course it's still a challenge but relatively speaking not so bad.
>>15193 English is such a god damn creole. Without the mass of widely accepted words stolen from better languages it would be a fucking pidgin. Anglos are a warning example of why talking to peasants is bad for everyone.
I'm currently writing out these japanese radicals that are supposed to make up the more complicated Kanji. I noticed the fellow attaches definitions to them. Am I correct in assuming these definitions are essentially synonyms, and not necessarily an exact term, and, more importantly, is he using correct synonyms? I just wonder since hiragana and katakana make phonetic sounds, while this fellow claims that the relatively same amount of strokes now defines a whole idea.
>>15213 I'm probably not the right person to lecture on this didactically, since I'm a pretty poor student of the language myself, but the most important part of that sheet is probably just stroke order practice. Many radicals are kanji in and of themselves, like the ones for "woman" and "dog." Many of them, though, aren't, like the one for "sickness." Rather than being reliable as tools for understanding the meaning of a given kanji, radicals are more important for knowing stroke order and for looking up kanji in a kanji dictionary. Look at the kanji for "cat" for instance. I, at least, don't see how you're going to get "cat" out of the radicals for dog (maybe just dog-like animal), two hands, and field. I think there are some kanji that can be remembered mnemonically by examining radicals, but for someone who sounds like they're as early on in the process as you are it would probably be more worthwhile to focus on basic grammar using your kana knowledge rather than learning a whole lot of details about kanji.
>>15213 If you're learning radicals, Jisho.org's "kanji builder" is a pretty good practice ground. Pick an arbitrarily complex kanji and looking at the radical table on Jisho, try to compose it by clicking on the radicals. Keep doing it until you can't recognize any more radicals. The fewer the kanji meeting the criteria are shown, the better you are. Though be aware that the same radicals can make different kanji, so it's ok to have more than one solution. About radicals having a meaning, >>15228 is right for the most part. Kanji originated from China and in Japan they were used more for the associated sound than for the actual meaning. Of course basic concepts like those connected with "people" might share the same radicals, but you should consider that more of an exception than a rule. 猫 being built from rice field, hands and dog is just because when the Japanese adopted that kanji, in China it was pronounced "neko" (or it was mispronounced as "neko" by the Japanese.) Nowadays it might even be that the Chinese don't even use that kanji any more (I don't actually know Chinese.) Consider also that in modern Japanese, some kanji are misused for visual effects, like how 野 is used in stead of の to make it look like something from the ancient times.
>>15195 English is just German + French.
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Just give up now while you still have some life left in you.
>>15424 Don't listen to cucks
If you guys would like to talk about languages and the translation process, I would highly recommend if you would make a board about this topic. Then, maybe you can repurpose this thread to discuss about localization in games and translating certain phrases in games. I'm just giving advice since I don't want to set a precedent for certain threads to come here. I'm just giving you guys a suggestion. Who knows, you might get more people interested in this.
>>15523 How new are you? Jap learning threads have been on /v/s for the better part of the decade. With so many games being butchered in localization and censored, leaning moon is a quintessential gayming skill more people have to learn.
>>15523 Newfag.
>>15523 I really don't think that the board is active enough for you to kick off threads that have regular for many years. It would be one thing if some new group of people wanted to make threads about something completely unrelated like knitting or whatever, but chasing off /v/ regulars at a time like this seems like a poor decision.
>>15527 >>15532 >>15545 You are slaves to tradition.
>>15523 Learning moonrunes and slav is vidya related.
>>15551 Throwing away traditions for no reason is foolish, and more so when it would hurt you. If you want to be pragmatic, keeping the board alive should be in your interests. Low activity makes people go elsewhere, leading to a spiral of decline. When there's only five of us left it doesn't matter how high the quality of our posts is, it has long since stopped being an anonymous imageboard in anything but name.
>>15558 You have a point, Bob
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>>15523 Nigger the biggest reason people stuck with Mark's jewcy shithole was because every fucking time someone made an alternative, it was run by some no-fun-allowed faggot who pulled shit like this. Don't become another of those faggots and doom this /v/ too.
>>15230 >猫
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>>15523 Also, >I'm just giving advice since I don't want to set a precedent for certain threads to come here What, you're afraid of LOL threads? Those were fine back when furry porn dumps actually got deleted. >Who knows, you might get more people interested in this. I can assure you it's the exact opposite, since anons will hear you're repeating the exact same retarded mistake every wannabe /v/ owner makes, a mistake even Jewcy boy doesn't make.
>>15581 if you're so fond of Mark why don't you cut the middle man and go back?
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>>15603 >thinking the BO is doing something retarded means I like Mark Here is your (you).
>>15523 >I'm just giving advice since I don't want to set a precedent for certain threads to come here. I think you'd be alright allowing this. Mind you, I'm OP so I'm biased, but I don't see this spilling over into the rest of the board, if that's your concern, verses something like furfaggotry which seems to always be a malignant tumor wherever it spawns. What threads were you specifically concerned about this setting the precedent for?
>>15611 I said from the beginning I didn't want GG or LOL threads here, but with certain circumstances happening I am trying to make this iteration of /v/ separate from what it is before. Again, I was just giving some advice, I wasn't going to enforce anything about this thread. Thankfully, there was a resounding nay over that notion. Also, I try to be cautious when it comes to the extreme and usually talk it over in the /meta/ thread. As I said from the beginning, I am not going to go forward with most things unless I get some opinions from you guys so it is best that you let me know when I am around on this board, /meta/, or IRC.
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>>15230 That's the beast radical 獣偏, not "hand". Beast https://www.joyokanji.com/radical-notes/94-animal-radical-%E7%8A%AC-and-%E7%8A%AD-0 Hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_64 Neko is a Native Japanese word. It has nothing to do with Chinese whatsoever. How new are you? 猫 (Sino-Japanese reading: byou, Mandarin: mao) is a word for a kind of beast whose name sounds similar to 苗 (Sino-Japanese readings: byou / myou Mandarin: miao). It's a phono-semantic character.
>>15607 Taking into account we are comparing the guy that did everything wrong... yes, favoring him in any way means you either have to like him or you are him, other than being a newfag.
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>>15753 >guy does basically everything wrong >another guy does something else wrong >if you acknowledge this you either like the first guy, are him, or are a newfag Not gonna lie anon, that's pretty fucking stupid.
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Can one of you japs explain me this nonsense? https://archive.vn/ohbl8 https://archive.vn/T34fj https://archive.vn/TTweo https://archive.vn/PfTQx Why does it take 2 weeks for westerners to get a whiff of information the main company already provided?
>>15768 >sweet summer child doesn't know it used to take years
>>17190 It's winter you moron, unless you're from the South hemisphere, I guess you don't have an answer, since it took you a week to come up with nothing.
>>17193 >seething kek who told you about this place? cuckchan is more up your speed.
私は忘れて、八クーマーがこの場所を訪れる。
>>17193 i am angry. angry about nothing.
>>17199 クーム
I think I can't remember anymore kanji, I'm on my limit. The ones that pronounce differently despite using the same kanji is just too difficult. Personally I don't really care what it means, I just want to know what it sound like.
>>17313 dekinai
>>17313 haibokusha

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